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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / April 2007Resting metabolism, part duex
Ok, I didn't phrase correctly what's going on. Yesterday, I performed aerobics for 45 minutes. Not nearly as hard as biking on the roads, but then it was raining yesterday. Today, I did an extremely hard workout with weights (20 sets in about 30 minutes, three sets of three supersets, with deadlifts, pullups, bulgarian split squats, incline presses, etc.). I continue to sweat afterwards. The sweating occurs AFTER I take a shower. I drive from the gym to work, which has a shower. I use the shower at work, because there's no one there. AFTER I shower, and while making my breakfast, I'm still sweating from the workout. I continue to sweat for about 30 minutes. And, I mean mopping my brow type of sweating. Both types of workouts seem to cause similar results in terms of sweating, which occurs AFTER I shower. Now that I've been more clear, what are your thoughts?  SignatureBob in CT :: Ok, I didn't phrase correctly what's going on. Yesterday, I :: performed aerobics for 45 minutes. Not nearly as hard as biking on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :: :: Now that I've been more clear, what are your thoughts? Well, who knows. One possibility is that you took a hot shower and haven't cooled off (did you take a cold shower?)...or it's humid there or, with the weather in transistion at this time of year, the cooling system hasn't cracked in quite yet. I mean, most types of workouts get one a bit in need of cooling off (plus you were doing compound movements), so if that hasn't occured after the workout you continue to sweat. Also, larger (fat and/or muscular) people tend to sweat more than smaller people under the same temp/humidity conditions. Finally, one doesn't need to do much exercise at all to be all hot and bothered! :) Or course, some people are just good at sweating. Anyway, those are my thoughts, such as they are. > :: Ok, I didn't phrase correctly what's going on. Yesterday, I > :: performed aerobics for 45 minutes. Not nearly as hard as biking on [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Anyway, those are my thoughts, such as they are. So, basically, I can't draw any conclusions from sweating after a shower. Darn! There goes my Nobel prize. SignatureBob in CT > Ok, I didn't phrase correctly what's going on. Yesterday, I performed > aerobics for 45 minutes. Not nearly as hard as biking on the roads, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Now that I've been more clear, what are your thoughts? Like Roger wrote, maybe it was the weather or a high core body temp causing you to sweat after working out. But if you want to consider other health related issues... You might think about your sweating as due to a slight hypoglycemic attack. You WT workout would be pulling a lot of glucose out of your system, especially post WT. That would cause you to sweat and feel a anxious, plus have a higher HRT. Have you ever tested your recover HRT 5 minutes after exercising? On a more serious point have you ever had a through heart exam? More than just an EKG, but rather an echocardiography or MRI? I don't want to sound like an alarmist, cause getting your heart checked out is a good ideal for any of us getting a little older. In the past when I've read some of your post you've mentioned heart rates that have seemed higher then they should for the effort and length of time. I can't recall now exactly what was written (and don't have the time this AM to go goggling), but you've mentioned going for long periods of time at very high HRTs. Most people would hit a lactate threshold at shorter time periods. Your heart muscle would be working hard, without your leg muscles being overloaded. Which makes me wonder if your heart is just having to work harder then it should for some other reason. On a different note, the reason WT is often noted for causing a higher metabolism for longer period of time than moderate cardio is due to the measured amount of post exercise oxygen consumption levels. In short you need more oxygen to repair and clean-up (removing lactate for example) the muscles. Plus with a hard enough WT workout your hormone levels will be effected. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm :: You might think about your sweating as due to a slight :: hypoglycemic attack. You WT workout would be pulling a lot of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] :: heart is just having to work harder then it should for some other :: reason. That's interesting, Rudy. I remember having the exact same impressions when seeing that data (about the HR, not the tests). I do agree that the test would be a good idea in general. Hmm...I'll be 49 next month! :: On a different note, the reason WT is often noted for causing a :: higher metabolism for longer period of time than moderate cardio [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: :: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm :: RRzVRR wrote: :::: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :: That's interesting, Rudy. I remember having the exact same :: impressions when seeing that data (about the HR, not the tests). Oh, another thought that I had when seeing some of that data is that it's based on a max HR and if you have that wrong (too low), the %'s will look higher than they really are. If I go by the 220 - age formula (or whatever that formula is) then I get a number that is too low because I've seen my HR up to 188 while climbing a steep hill. So, I use 188 as my max. But I still can't truly say that's it. Prior to seeing that 188 I had only seen 182, which was the max I used up until the 188 showed up. So....maybe a stress test can be used to find the max HR....so if you have a heart attack at least the doctor is around....Maybe an EMS crew would be better, though. :) :: I do agree that the test would be a good idea in general. Hmm...I'll :: be 49 next month! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :::: Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: :::: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm > :: That's interesting, Rudy. I remember having the exact same > :: impressions when seeing that data (about the HR, not the tests). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can't truly say that's it. Prior to seeing that 188 I had only seen 182, > which was the max I used up until the 188 showed up. > So....maybe a stress test can be used to find the max HR....so if you have a > heart attack at least the doctor is around....Maybe an EMS crew would be > better, though. :) The 220-age method is just an rough estimate of your max HRT. Some people do better using the Karvonen method. It uses your resting heart rate as a base for finding your max HRT. By doing that you're factoring in how fit/unfit someone is in finding the max HRT. But I guess a stress test would get you closer to the real number. If I did a lot of endurance cardio training/events, I'd look into the cost of getting a VO2 max test. It'll also give your max heart rate. But its probably pricey and you need to be somewhat fit. Also regarding as the stress test, now it unfortunately seems that a stress test isn't the best measure of finding heart disease. An scan to see the heart would be better option. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm > > :: That's interesting, Rudy. I remember having the exact same > > :: impressions when seeing that data (about the HR, not the tests). [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > max HRT. But I guess a stress test would get you closer to the > real number. For giggles: Below is an example of the Karvonen formula for a 23 year old person with a resting heart rate of 65 beats per minute (*to get your resting heart rate, take your pulse for one full minute.): 220 - 23 (age) = 197 197 - 65 (resting heart rate) = 132 132 * 65% (low end of heart rate) OR 85% (high end) = 85.8 OR 112.2 85.8 + 65 (resting heart rate) = 150 112.2 + 65 (rhr) = 177 The target heart rate zone for this person would be 150 to 177 For me: 220 - 34 = 186 186 - 60 = 126 (I'm a metronome!) 126 * .65 = 81.9 126 *.85 = 107.1 82+60 = 142 107+60 = 167 That's the range. Do we worry about this or do we just do the work till we're too tired to do more? >>>:: That's interesting, Rudy. I remember having the exact same >>>:: impressions when seeing that data (about the HR, not the tests). [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > with a resting heart rate of 65 beats per minute (*to get your resting > heart rate, take your pulse for one full minute.): Resting heart rate is taken first thing in the morning (preferably waking without an alarm) before any movement and of course without eating or drinking anything. Actually it would be best if you could test for several days and get an average. Tracking your resting heart rate is one of the ways to see just how efficient your CVS becoming, or to see if you're overtraining. A fit person should have a lower RHRT, but if they're overtraining that rate will rise. Resting heart rates often go up as you age (just like blood pressure often does). > 220 - 23 (age) = 197 > 197 - 65 (resting heart rate) = 132 > 132 * 65% (low end of heart rate) OR 85% (high end) = 85.8 OR 112.2 > 85.8 + 65 (resting heart rate) = 150 > 112.2 + 65 (rhr) = 177 > The target heart rate zone for this person would be 150 to 177 Lets look at this differently, let look as if your were a very fit 40 year old (someone who runs a lot of marathons). Your numbers might be: 220-40=180 180-55=125 125*0.65=81.25+58=136.25 And then lets look at an unfit 40 year old who hasn't been working out: 220-40=180 180-75=105 105*0.65=68.25+ 75=143.25 So the fit person's heart rate reserve is much higher then the unfit person. What's also true is that the unfit person will hit that 143 HRT while making a much less 'visual' effort than the fit person will have to make getting to 136. > For me: > 220 - 34 = 186 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 82+60 = 142 > 107+60 = 167 > That's the range. Do we worry about this or do we just do the work > till we're too tired to do more? Worry, probably not. Most people will do fine by just using their perceived exertion (look up the Borg scale). But if you're unfit and just starting out you might want keep an eye on the numbers. Some people believe at first that they have to work harder then they need to in order to start getting fit. Plus, I can't tell you how many times I've put a new client on a machine to check out their heart rate and find out they forgot to tell me they take asthma medication (or Ritalin) or they don't drink any fluids -- all will effect your heart rate. Once I had a person show such a high heart rate with so little effort that I asked them to see a doctor for clearance before doing any training. But maybe you're like me and what to SEE fitness improvement via the numbers. Or if you're training for a race or event. Then the numbers can start to matter in how you train. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm > Resting heart rate is taken first thing in the morning > (preferably waking without an alarm) before any movement and of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they're overtraining that rate will rise. Resting heart rates > often go up as you age (just like blood pressure often does). RHR can either elevate or decline fully dependent on the OT syndrome attached to the swing in RHR. It is a single indicator and, by far, the least predictive or diagnostic. The best are a pair of good eye's on the Trainer and the reports of fatigue and inability to recover. These reports don't necessarily have to come from the athlete, the evidence is right there before the Trainer's eyes. The sympathetic form we see in sprint (anaerobic) sports and the parasympathetic in (aerobic) endurance sports. In the sympathetic, the resting heart rate is elevated. In the parasympathetic, decreased. It is not uncommon to have OS with normal biochemistry. There is no test for OS whatsoever except to say the "diagnosis" is observational. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html > But if you're > unfit and just starting out you might want keep an eye on the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > person show such a high heart rate with so little effort that I > asked them to see a doctor for clearance before doing any training. Bassackwards, no athlete I ever trained, or ever will train, will come without signing off a complete set of waivers of liability and attaching his MDs approval for training. Including is a complete pharmacology and before they step on the floor, they sign in and declare what meds, doses etc that have taken in the last periods since training. I rarely see this effort in getting clearances and daily uptakes accounted for, but your not getting on my floor or receiving your training regimen for that day until I get it and review it. It's a little late to pass out a Ritalin induced HBP rise and pick the trainee up of the floor with "Sorry about that." Fluids consumption, same thing, no caffeinated bevs or out the in door you go. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html > The 220-age method is just an rough estimate of your max HRT. > Some people do better using the Karvonen method. It uses your [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that a stress test isn't the best measure of finding heart > disease. An scan to see the heart would be better option. Interesting, comment from the House Cardiologist, please. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html |
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