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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / April 2007What a crock. The AHA has to go.
"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the American Heart Association." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/ And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart disease or stroke?  SignatureBob in CT :: "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your :: cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart :: disease or stroke? Interestingly, the body stores energy in fat....saturated fat, that it can then use for energy when food is not available, or when one is trying to lose weight. Thus, according to the AHA, the body is actually doing itself harm in using its own saturated fat. Wow. RN's vs. MD's? Doesn't matter, the mantra is fat is bad. And Saturated fat will kill. do you believe you can bend the spoon? > "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your > cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart disease > or stroke? > RN's vs. MD's? Hunh? > Doesn't matter, the mantra is fat is bad. And Saturated fat will kill. See, this is why top posting sucks. No one can follow what you are talking about. > do you believe you can bend the spoon? Sure, why not. I believe I can eat more fat and lose more weight. The weight lifting must pay off somewhere. > > "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your > > cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -- > > Bob in CT >> RN's vs. MD's? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > See, this is why top posting sucks. No one can follow what you are > talking about. Ordinarily I'd agree, but in this case, I'm not sure posting with context would help any. SignatureAaron -- 285/235/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz "I don't have a TV now, but that's ok. The shows in my mind are almost always better." -- The Maxx Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever system they are learning about. Nurses have to have alot of credit hours in basic nutrition, plus in relationship to particular body systems. Why do you think that doctors send patients to dietitions? Even an LPN, which I am, has to have 75 credit hours of basic nutrition. Carol j > RN's vs. MD's? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> -- >> Bob in CT 60 of which contain bad information? | Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's | only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | | Carol j I dunno, why don't you contact them and ask them? Stop trying to pick a fight, don't you have something else better in your REAL life than picking fights with people you don't know? Get a life.......I hear they are on sale at Wal-mart................ Carolj 60 of which contain bad information? Carol J wrote: | Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's | only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | | Carol j Well, I have heard of many nutritionists following the ADA feed carbs to diabetics strategy, they must have learned that crap somewhere. This is my life, I worked and earned my retirement. If you knew so much about nutrition from your training how why did it take you so long to discover how to eat right (according to your own posts)? And I don't shop at Walmart. | I dunno, why don't you contact them and ask them? Stop trying to | pick a fight, don't you have something else better in your REAL life [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] || || Carol j You're out of date, The ADA now recommends diabetes to follow the glycemic index list. Choose carbs from the low end and moderate occasionally. At least that's what they recommend in my neck of the woods. I believe you have misread one of my recent posts somewhere along the line...........what I was TAUGHT in nursing school, some 20 years ago, is old news as well. And yes, it took me YEARS to figure out that I should not have certain complex carbs but at least I learned. And I also don't feel the need to supplement my life by starting fights on usenet, as YOU apparently feel the need to do. don't shop at Wally world? Try Target. PLONK....... Carol j Well, I have heard of many nutritionists following the ADA feed carbs to diabetics strategy, they must have learned that crap somewhere. This is my life, I worked and earned my retirement. If you knew so much about nutrition from your training how why did it take you so long to discover how to eat right (according to your own posts)? And I don't shop at Walmart. Carol J wrote: | I dunno, why don't you contact them and ask them? Stop trying to | pick a fight, don't you have something else better in your REAL life [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] || || Carol j So do they call everybody back to reeducation them when they find out they were mistaken? How did I start a fight? I made a comment about the value of nutrition education, not a personal attack on you and yet you take it very personally. | You're out of date, The ADA now recommends diabetes to follow the | glycemic index list. Choose carbs from the low end and moderate [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Carol j > "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your > cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Bob in CT Don't mistake the AHA as an altruistic "non-profit". It is a "non- profit" working directly for "for-profits". Propagandising for profits is their raison-d'etre. http://cspinet.org/integrity/nonprofits/american_heart_association.html AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION The AHA offers food manufacturers a food certification program, labeling with the Association's "heart-check mark" foods that are low in fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol. To cover the costs of administering the program, the AHA charges companies on a per product basis $7,500 for 1-9 products, $6,750 for 10-24 products and $5,940 for 25-99 products in their first year. To renew in subsequent years, the prices are $4,500, $4,050, and $3,570 respectively. (Email from Wilma Davis to CSPI, written 5/22/03; on file at CSPI) CSPI estimates that in 2002, with over 630 products certified, the AHA received over $2 million from its food certification program. (http://216.110.59.27/ productlist.aspx; accessed 5/22/03) Merck is spending $400,000 to finance an AHA program teaching 40,000 doctors to treat cholesterol according to guidelines. (Wall Street Journal, 6/14/98) American Heart Association was paid $450,000 by the Florida grapefruit growers for exclusive grapefruit use of the Association's heart- healthy endorsement. (Phila. Inquirer, 5/7/97) American Heart Association has received $1.1 million (and an annual renewal potential of about $300,000) from food manufacturers as license fees to use the "heart check mark." (Philadelphia Inquirer, 5/7/97) AHA charges $2,500 (plus a yearly renewal charge of $650) for a company to put the association's heart-check symbol on a package. Florida Dept. of Citrus paid $450,000 for exclusive promotion and advertising contract from 1994 until early 1997. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association paid $25,000 for its arrangement with the AHA to promote lean cuts of beef. For an agreement with ConAgra in 1992-93, the AHA received $3,500,000 for a TV program on nutrition. For companies that want an exclusive agreement with the AHA like that of the Florida citrus growers, the cost is $55,000 a quarter or $200,000 a year. Without exclusivity the cost is $25,000 a quarter or $90,000 a year. (New York Times, 10/22/97) National Livestock and Meat Board gave $189,000 to the AHA to sponsor the HeartRide cycling series. AHA says the program will help ensure that people don't think that AHA recommends abstaining from meat. (IEG Sponsorship Report, on file at CSPI) American Heart Association has endorsed only Bayer aspirin. (New England Journal of Medicine, 9/4/97, p. 700) According to Kramer Laboratories, Inc. (Miami), "Bayer, as we understand it, contributes over $500,000 a year to the American Heart Association." (Letter to AHA, 9/23/96) Web site is sponsored by Pfizer, Campbell, ConAgra (Healthy Choice), and Hoechst (Tufts Nutrition Navigator web site). Corporate Contributors greater than $100,000 include: AstraZeneca LP Sanofi-Aventis Bayer Corporation Braman Motors Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Centocor Inc. Clear Channel Outdoor ConAgra Foods GlaxoSmithKline IBM Co. KOS Pharmaceuticals Merck & Co., Inc. Microlife Co. Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp. PacifiCare Pfizer, Inc. Procter & Gamble Company Roche Diagnostics Ross Stores Schering-Plough Corporation Subway Toyota Motor Co. Walgreen Co. American Heart Association 2005 Annual Report (http:// www.americanheart.org/downloadable/heart/1137166221820AHA%2005.pdf; accessed 4/26/06) You bring up a good point. You have to pay the AHA to have one of their stickers? That's insane. Here's one study: "Among the 48,835 women who participated in the trial, there were no significant differences in the rates of colorectal cancer, heart disease, or stroke between the group who followed a low-fat dietary plan and the comparison group who followed their normal dietary patterns." http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/feb2006/nhlbi-07.htm So much for "saturated fat = heart disease and stroke". >> "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your >> cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > www.americanheart.org/downloadable/heart/1137166221820AHA%2005.pdf; > accessed 4/26/06) SignatureBob in CT > "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your > cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Bob in CT AHA Corporate and other Donors from the 2006 Annual Report: http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3044137 $1,000,000-4,999,999 AstraZeneca Bayer Bristol-Myers Squibb Campbell's Soup ConAgra Foods (Healthy Choice) GlaxoSmithKline IBM Corporation The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Kellogg's KOS Pharmaceuticals Macy's Merck & Co., Inc. Merck/Schering Plough NFL CHARITIES Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation Pfizer Pharmaceuticals Ross Stores, Inc. Sanofi-Aventis Subway® restaurants Takeda Tenet Healthcare Walgreens $500,000-999,999 ACH Food Companies (Mazola) Boehringer Ingelheim John Chalsty Cordis Corporation IBM Employee Giving Campaign Macy's Merck & Co., Inc. PacifiCare Foundation Pfizer, Inc. Ross Stores, Inc. Schering Plough Wyeth $250,000-499,999 Abbott Labs Employee Giving Campaign Almond Board of California American Heart Association Employee Giving Campaign Anonymous Boston Scientific Corporation Brighton ConAgra Foods, Inc. (HQ) Dakota Medical Foundation Flooring America The French Room, LLC (Le Mystere) Hamilton Beach Hanes HSBC Employee Giving Campaign KeyBank National Association Merck & Company Inc. Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc. Microlife Corporation Nitromed Ocean Spray Omron Healthcare, Inc. Perfumania Printpak Inc./The Gay and Erskin Love Foundation Reliant Roche Diagnostics Sanofi-Synthelabo Sara Lee Williamsburg Community Health Foundation Women's Board of the Greater Washington Area $100,000-249,999 Abbott Laboratories Fund Abbott Vascular Amgen, Inc. Anonymous Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield Arkansas Department of Health Bank of America Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina Bon Secours Richmond Health System WCAU-TV NBC-10 The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Foundation Wells Fargo WESH 2 News West Penn Allegheny Health System WGFL-TV CBS 4 William Beaumont Hospital Employee Giving Campaign WMGF Magic 107.7FM WNEP-TV 16 WSMV-TV WTAE-TV 4 Wuesthoff Heart Center WXIA-TV (NBC) Yankee Candle They talk about about meat but what about fish and poultry? I mean, we all know that eating nothing but red meat is probably not the best protein source we could have daily, at least I think so. I couldn't eat steak or burger every single day. I eat mostly fish, chicken, shell fish and buffalo actually. I do eat steak probably twice a week though. Pork maybe once. Carol j > "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your > cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart > disease or stroke? Dear Carol, It all depends on how you define the word "meat." I come from rural Indiana and all of the items you listed below we simply called "meat." If it was a living animal, it was meat. Frankly I never could understand why some people don't consider chicken, fish, pork, etc. "meat." After all of these years it still doesn't make sense to me. Barbara >They talk about about meat but what about fish and poultry? I mean, we all >know that eating nothing but red meat is probably not the best protein [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > It makes no sense to me either. Cheri BJPruett wrote in message <46321A8D.70807@mindspring.com>... >It all depends on how you define the word "meat." I come from rural >Indiana and all of the items you listed below we simply called "meat." >If it was a living animal, it was meat. Frankly I never could understand >why some people don't consider chicken, fish, pork, etc. "meat." After >all of these years it still doesn't make sense to me. >Barbara Cheir: Don't top post, Hollywood will blow up. > It makes no sense to me either. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >>Barbara > They talk about about meat but what about fish and poultry? I mean, we all > know that eating nothing but red meat is probably not the best protein > source we could have daily, at least I think so. I couldn't eat steak or > burger every single day. I eat mostly fish, chicken, shell fish and buffalo > actually. I do eat steak probably twice a week though. Pork maybe once. What is so terrible about red meat? My research suggests otherwise: "The Red Meat Remedy - Trade carbs for red meat and lower your blood pressure" http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=nutrition&conit em=250c8142d510c010VgnVCM200000cee793cd____ "Right on Red - You already knew beef builds muscle. But did you know that it makes you smarter?" http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=nutrition&categ ory=food.for.fitness&conitem=034a99edbbbd201099edbbbd2010cfe793cd____ Plus: "Feasting on Steak doesn't raise your risk of cancer, according to Australian researchers... scientists found that eating high amounts of unprocessed beef doesn't increase oxidative stress or inflammation... This is likely because fresh products such as steak and hamburger have only one ingredient: meat...." I don't buy this Red Meat Red Scare anymore. It's too damn tasty and too damn nutritious to be bad. As much as Oprah may believe differently. || "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats || raises your cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] || -- || Bob in CT Just like a lot of people in this group. We believe what we believe and no amount of facts will change our minds. :o) BJ Signature-- "I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book." -- Groucho Marx "Since early 2005, more than 150 million personal records have been exposed in dozens of incidents, according to information compiled by the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. " - Companies that collect this data must be held accountable for its security. |
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