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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / May 2007Chocolate makes me sleep, so from this we learn...?
Double choc-chip cookies are BOGOFF at Tesco today but I can't indulge as I'll sleep for the rest of the day. Well, most of it anyway. What does this say about my metabolism? Am I asking on the right group, even? BB  Signaturehttp://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-small-business.htm http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ You're probably an undiagnosed diabetic who needs to lose weight and learn how eat right.... :: Double choc-chip cookies are BOGOFF at Tesco today but I can't :: indulge as I'll sleep for the rest of the day. Well, most of it :: anyway. What does this say about my metabolism? Am I asking on the :: right group, even? I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep aid. Just have a bar before bedtime.... Wish it would do that to me... Steve > Double choc-chip cookies are BOGOFF at Tesco today but I can't indulge > as I'll sleep for the rest of the day. Well, most of it anyway. What > does this say about my metabolism? Am I asking on the right group, > even? > > BB cookies before bed? Sounds like a real good way to get fatter and fatter. :: I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep :: aid. Just have a bar before bedtime.... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] ::: http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm ::: http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ >cookies before bed? Sounds like a real good way to get fatter and fatter. I never said anything about before bed. For breakfast, and I sleep. For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a sign of something. BB Signaturehttp://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-small-business.htm http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ :: On Wed, 23 May 2007 01:20:43 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: :: I never said anything about before bed. The post I replied to did.... For breakfast, and I sleep. :: For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a :: sign of something. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm :: http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ > I never said anything about before bed. For breakfast, and I sleep. > For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a > sign of something. It's not diagnostic, but it could be a sign of having diabetes or being pre-diabetic. What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working, so your cells are starving. This results in you feeling weak, tired and ravenously hungry. The hungry bit is the bad bit, you eat again. And raise your bg too high again. And repeat. And it gets worse and worse. It's a very vicious circle. About a decade ago, I found myself coming back from lunch hungrier every day. One day, I had a couple BLTs for lunch, but was painfully ravenous a half hour later. I got a chocolate bar from the vending machine, ate it and passed out at my desk. This is a HUGE clue that one's body isn't handling sugar properly. Are you thirsty a lot? Do you pee a lot, not able to sleep through the night anymore without needing to use the bathroom? And is your pee very light colored, almost like water? If you have some of these other symptoms, you probably have very elevated blood glucose. You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to reset your biochemistry. The first few days, you have very intense cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and can eat sanely again... but not carbs. Carby foods will put you back on the crazy hungry cycle again. >> I never said anything about before bed. For breakfast, and I sleep. >> For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your >bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working, OK, why isn't it working and how would I test for this and what would I do about it? >so your cells are starving. This results in you feeling weak, tired >and ravenously hungry. The hungry bit is the bad bit, you eat again. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Are you thirsty a lot? Dunno, I drink a ton of tea and coffee so I tend not to be. Or water, if I'm Atkins. > Do you pee a lot, not able to sleep through >the night anymore without needing to use the bathroom? Well, kinda, but I have a mug before bed and I am 54. I don't think that's a diabetic thing. > And is your >pee very light colored, almost like water? Haven't looked, really. > If you have some of these >other symptoms, you probably have very elevated blood glucose. Hypoglycaemic? >You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to >reset your biochemistry. I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus to prove it. > The first few days, you have very intense >cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and >can eat sanely again... but not carbs. Carby foods will put you back >on the crazy hungry cycle again. I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time. BB Signaturehttp://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-small-business.htm http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ > >What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your > >bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working, > > OK, why isn't it working and how would I test for this and what would > I do about it? If you want to test yourself, you could test with a blood glucose meter. There's a good recent thread here about that. Or you could ask your doctor for a Glucose Tolerance Test. > >Are you thirsty a lot? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Hypoglycaemic? IME, these symptoms kick in when bg is over 300. Like... when it's *very* high. > >You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to > >reset your biochemistry. > > I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus > to prove it. Add more fat and fiber. I'm certainly in the camp that encourages people to eat lotsa veggies, but frankly, I think fat works even better. I'd suggest buying a bunch of cheap fatty hamburger and just eating burgers with mayo as your main meals, with a salad on the side. Eggs cooked swimming in butter for breakfast. That'd be a nice "loose" type of induction to do for a few days to break the craving cycle. > > The first few days, you have very intense > >cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and > >can eat sanely again... but not carbs. Carby foods will put you back > >on the crazy hungry cycle again. > > I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time. Sounds like you might need to avoid chocolate too. There's a couple other chocolate options though. I buy Lindt 85% cocoa bars. They are made with real sugar, but there's so little that it's not a problem. If you like dark chocolate, something like that would be an option. If you prefer a milk chocolate, here's Lynne's chocolate: http://www.ornery-geeks.org/text/cooking/baking/lynneschocolate.asp But I'd suggest doing a week of induction before experimenting with this stuff. Otherwise, you won't be able to tell if they kick off cravings or not, cause induction is a pretty craving-full time. >> >What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your >> >bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >IME, these symptoms kick in when bg is over 300. Like... when it's >*very* high. OK, so what other signs would there be? >> >You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to >> >reset your biochemistry. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Add more fat and fiber. Fat? fiber I can do but it's very difficult. It tends to stop being low-carb then. > I'm certainly in the camp that encourages >people to eat lotsa veggies, but frankly, I think fat works even >better. > >I'd suggest buying a bunch of cheap fatty hamburger and just eating >burgers with mayo as your main meals, with a salad on the side. For how long, till I lose six stone? Boredom becomes the killer. > Eggs >cooked swimming in butter for breakfast. That'd be a nice "loose" >type of induction to do for a few days to break the craving cycle. I do do that every now and then. We used to sell clarified butter in the UK and everyone loved it but everyone got fat so stopped buying it. This was years back, before the current obesity epidemic. >> > The first few days, you have very intense >> >cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Sounds like you might need to avoid chocolate too. Sob... >There's a couple other chocolate options though. I buy Lindt 85% >cocoa bars. They are made with real sugar, but there's so little that >it's not a problem. If you like dark chocolate, something like that >would be an option. I do actually :-) <Homer>Lindt, eh?</Homer> >If you prefer a milk chocolate, here's Lynne's chocolate: >http://www.ornery-geeks.org/text/cooking/baking/lynneschocolate.asp > >But I'd suggest doing a week of induction before experimenting with >this stuff. Otherwise, you won't be able to tell if they kick off >cravings or not, cause induction is a pretty craving-full time. I need to do something again. I'm going to get rid of the fridge soon, that'll help. BB Signaturehttp://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-small-business.htm http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ | Fat? fiber I can do but it's very difficult. It tends to stop being | low-carb then.e Fiber is easy if you get some sugar free Metamucil (or off brand knockoff) or just some plain ground psyllium husks, take a dose once or twice a day and you will have nicely formed but freely flowing poops. | For how long, till I lose six stone? Boredom becomes the killer. Induction is only two weeks, then you can start introducing other things and testing them to see what works for you. | BB > OK, so what other signs would there be? Diabetes symptoms can vary. I pretty much gave signs of having REALLY high blood sugar. Most people who don't know they have diabetes wind up with very high blood glucose before they find out. Other ones might be... feeling very weak, particularly muscular weakness. Easily exhausted. Etc. But... blood testing is really the way to know. > >Add more fat and fiber. > > Fat? fiber I can do but it's very difficult. It tends to stop being > low-carb then. Fat is easier. But on all the low-carb plans, you are supposed to be eating veggies. Non-starchy veggies are pretty low-carb and pretty fiberous. Simplest, though not most pleasant, thing to do is psyllium husks. They're pure fiber. I can't say I find them pleasant. I eat about a pound of vegetables daily, so I don't supplement fiber myself. And I feel that fat has a stronger effect on digestive issues, but your mileage may vary. > > I'm certainly in the camp that encourages > >people to eat lotsa veggies, but frankly, I think fat works even [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > For how long, till I lose six stone? Boredom becomes the killer. For a few days, up to a week. The purpose of induction isn't weight loss, but to switch over your biochemistry. It's worth being strict for a week or so to kill off the cravings, which makes dieting much easier to deal with on an ongoing basis. > > Eggs > >cooked swimming in butter for breakfast. That'd be a nice "loose" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the UK and everyone loved it but everyone got fat so stopped buying > it. This was years back, before the current obesity epidemic. I'm not suggesting eggs swimming in butter and burgers with salad as a permanent diet. Cause yes, that would be monotonous. And frankly, variety is important to nutrition. I'm suggesting it as a high-fat induction likely to avoid regularity problems until the cravings stop, while you go through withdrawal, for a while to make the ongoing diet easier. You need to follow-up with something with a bit more variety. I would recommend Protein Power. They have a quite reasonable two-phase diet plan that I think makes a lot of sense and has a lot of variety. > I need to do something again. I'm going to get rid of the fridge soon, > that'll help. Emptying it might make more sense than getting rid of it. >>If you have some of these other symptoms, you probably have very >>elevated blood glucose. > Hypoglycaemic? No, hypoglycemia is low blood sugar. High blood sugar would be hyperglycemia. > I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus > to prove it. Eat more fat. I think the people who have constipation on LC tend to be those who cut back on carbs without adding fat, so they end up just eating a lot of protein, which is pretty dense and usually doesn't include fiber either. > I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time. Most of the time? When you asked earlier, "why isn't it working," here you go. One high-carb meal can undo at least a week's good work. Bread and potatoes have to be off-limits, period, at least until you've been on the plan for a while and have a good handle on things. Then, *maybe* you can introduce them back into your diet in small quantities or LC versions, but you'll be better off if you just don't. SignatureAaron -- 285/235/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz >I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep aid. >Just have a bar before bedtime.... > >Wish it would do that to me... > >Steve What was that about non-addictive? BB (chomp, slurp ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz) Signaturehttp://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-small-business.htm http://www.kruse.co.uk/internet-marketing-uk.htm http://www.crystal-liaison.com/giving/ >>I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep aid. >>Just have a bar before bedtime.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What was that about non-addictive? Oops. Yeah, <sigh>. LOL > BB (chomp, slurp ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz) |
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