Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / June 2007
Q: BG level 1 hr after eating sugar
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nanner - 25 Jun 2007 16:57 GMT Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my blood glucose.
I tested at 1 hr after starting to eat the sugary stuff (tasted a cupcake, had a small piece of bday cake and a bowl of ice cream - i know, I went to town LOL)
it was 146, I will test again at 2 hrs. I don't know what the numbers mean though. The booklet gives ranges for diabetics.
any help?
meanwhile..back to our regularly schedualed healthy eating program!!
Roger Zoul - 25 Jun 2007 17:10 GMT :: Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my :: blood glucose. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: :: any help? Seems ok.....ice cream has high enough fat content to help blunt the spike, IME.
:: meanwhile..back to our regularly schedualed healthy eating program!! So, why are you going off program?
nanner - 25 Jun 2007 17:40 GMT > :: Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my > :: blood glucose. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So, why are you going off program? i'm not, i just had a weak moment with all the left over goodies in the house from DD's bday party this weekend. so at least I was able to use my weak moment to test my blood.
Roger Zoul - 25 Jun 2007 17:55 GMT ::: nanner wrote: ::::: Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] :: the house from DD's bday party this weekend. so at least I was able :: to use my weak moment to test my blood. So you mean you're now back on program, right? You had a weak moment and went off program for a bit, but now you're back. That's fine, though. If you can manage to lengthen the time between going off, then you can stay on program longer, and thus not delay progress.
It is good to test frequently when you slip off, though. However, if you've been off for a while, your real response to carbs might be altered compared to what it would be if you were eating lots of them.
nanner - 25 Jun 2007 18:30 GMT > ::: nanner wrote: > ::::: Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > you've been off for a while, your real response to carbs might be altered > compared to what it would be if you were eating lots of them. I went off program for 20 minutes tops LOL not the weekend or anything. i was cleaning the kitchen and was overwhelmed with the desire to eat it all! and since the part of my brainthat knows better was hungry as I hadn't had breakfast yet it went right along with the evil plan. i was happy with myself that I only tasted this and that and had a few spoons of ice cream. in teh past I would have eaten it ALL until i was sick. I just didn't find any satisfaction from it really and, happy to say, was not guilt-ridden after. Decided I could at least use it as a learning experience.
I tested blood again after 2 hrs. it was 125.
I'm having raw veggies and ranch dressing for lunch...
Susan - 25 Jun 2007 19:17 GMT > I went off program for 20 minutes tops LOL not the weekend or anything. i > was cleaning the kitchen and was overwhelmed with the desire to eat it all! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > any satisfaction from it really and, happy to say, was not guilt-ridden > after. Decided I could at least use it as a learning experience. That's why I always send the desserts and other sweets home with guests, or have my husband take it to work in the a.m.
I have a big supply of dark chocolate on hand, but I can control that temptation and have small bits.
> I tested blood again after 2 hrs. it was 125. That's good, though not as low as I'd expect for someone with no glucose issues. I keep under that at one hour on low carb, much under.
> I'm having raw veggies and ranch dressing for lunch... That's not going to satisfy for long; how about some protein with it?
Susan
nanner - 25 Jun 2007 20:29 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > That's good, though not as low as I'd expect for someone with no glucose > issues. I keep under that at one hour on low carb, much under. even though it was after I ate sugar filled junk?
>> I'm having raw veggies and ranch dressing for lunch... > > That's not going to satisfy for long; how about some protein with it? i usually would but i feel bloated and full from my sugar binge this morning. i have chicken I will pick on from teh fridge while I clean all day.
> Susan Susan - 25 Jun 2007 22:26 GMT > "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> even though it was after I ate sugar filled junk? People with intact pancreatic function stay between 85-105 even then. As a diabetic on low carb, I'm below 100 at two hours, but higher if I eat the kind of crap you ate.
Susan
Pat - 25 Jun 2007 19:45 GMT > I went off program for 20 minutes tops LOL not the weekend or anything. i > was cleaning the kitchen and was overwhelmed with the desire to eat it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > guilt-ridden after. Decided I could at least use it as a learning > experience. You're deluding yourself. You didn't go "off program for 20 minutes tops," you went off it for the entire day and maybe longer. Why? Because it takes time for your body to "get into position" to respond to a low carb way of eating. After your binge, you have to start all over again. This "LOL" stuff is probably why you got overweight in the first place---you are rationalizing your food choices and making excuses and making yourself feel better by saying "I could at least use it as a learning experience." No you can't. You've done that before--lots of times, haven't you?
Pat in TX
nanner - 25 Jun 2007 20:35 GMT >> I went off program for 20 minutes tops LOL not the weekend or anything. i >> was cleaning the kitchen and was overwhelmed with the desire to eat it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You're deluding yourself. really, mm hmm.
>You didn't go "off program for 20 minutes tops," you went off it for the >entire day and maybe longer. And it's that attitude that got me in trouble in the past too, "Well, today is shot may as well party it up." I've learned that lesson, no thanks.
>Why? Because it takes time for your body to "get into position" to respond >to a low carb way of eating. After your binge, you have to start all over >again. Ok, so I start over. Would you recomend I just fall into a pit of sugar and carb binging or hop back on and eat healthy?
>This "LOL" stuff is probably why you got overweight in the first place--- wrong - the rigid "LC or Die" lifestlye i tried to live for the past 10 years is what has gotten me into trouble, it's the LOL moments in our lives that get us through these little blips. I am not perfect and if I try to be I am going to be doomed. if i can LOL and then pick myself up and dust myself off I think i can live with a little less stress.
>you are rationalizing your food choices and making excuses and making >yourself feel better by saying "I could at least use it as a learning >experience." No you can't. You've done that before--lots of times, haven't >you? No, genius. the people here that know what I am talking about know this is in reference to testing my blood glucose which I have never done before, thus being a perfect opportunity to test it after eating sugar. I have been back on LC for 4 weeks and did not have the opportunity to see how my BG levels react to sugar. Now I did.
> Pat in TX Pat - 25 Jun 2007 22:44 GMT >>You didn't go "off program for 20 minutes tops," you went off it for the >>entire day and maybe longer. > > And it's that attitude that got me in trouble in the past too, "Well, > today is shot may as well party it up." I've learned that lesson, no > thanks. I'm saying you're using it as just the opposite: You're saying "Oh well, I only went off the program 20 minutes! No big deal" instead of looking at the sugary sweets and saying "Nope, can't eat those or I've screwed up my plan to get healthy and lose weight."
>>Why? Because it takes time for your body to "get into position" to respond >>to a low carb way of eating. After your binge, you have to start all over >>again. > > Ok, so I start over. Would you recomend I just fall into a pit of sugar > and carb binging or hop back on and eat healthy? I would recommend you stop making the "oh well, it's just 20 minutes out of a lifetime" type excuses. You are hopping on and off so often that it effectively has no meaning.
>>This "LOL" stuff is probably why you got overweight in the first place--- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > try to be I am going to be doomed. if i can LOL and then pick myself up > and dust myself off I think i can live with a little less stress. I really doubt you have been living a "rigid lifestyle" or you wouldn't be overweight and possibly heading towards Type II diabetes.
>you are rationalizing your food choices and making excuses and making >>yourself feel better by saying "I could at least use it as a learning [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > been back on LC for 4 weeks and did not have the opportunity to see how my > BG levels react to sugar. Now I did. You are still rationalizing in this post! Don't you see that? You are calling pigging out on sugary sweets "these little blips" and saying "I am not perfect and if I try to be I am going to be doomed" etc, etc. In short, you are trying to have it both ways: you are trying to eat what you want and claim it is just "a little blip" and then trying to live a low carb lifestyle without any serious will power. You don't need "a perfect opportunity to test it after eating sugar." You can test it as part of your normal low carb way of living. This is what rationalization is. How long will it be before you publish another "oops a little blip" or "I'm not perfect again" post? You have one foot in the low carb diet and the other foot in the "I will do what I want and make excuses for it" camp. That is why you are having trouble. You're not committed.
Oh, the next time, you should write "I'm only human! All humans make mistakes!" This comes right after the "I'm not perfect" line. Harsh? You bet. But, this is the way you come across in your posts...making excuses, no willpower, no commitment.
Pat in TX
Aaron Baugher - 26 Jun 2007 13:52 GMT > I tested at 1 hr after starting to eat the sugary stuff (tasted a > cupcake, had a small piece of bday cake and a bowl of ice cream - i > know, I went to town LOL)
> it was 146, I will test again at 2 hrs. I don't know what the > numbers mean though. The booklet gives ranges for diabetics.
> I tested blood again after 2 hrs. it was 125. I'm new at this too and still learning, but my understanding is that a person with healthy insulin response *may* go as high as 120 after the first hour, but will always be back down under 100 after two hours. Anything above 140 will begin to cause organ damage, including damage to the beta cells in your pancreas, further harming your insulin function, so it's a vicious circle. (Corrections on all this from the veterans are most welcome.) Ignore the numbers for diabetics in your booklet; for some reason the ADA refuses to acknowledge any of the progress that's being made in this area over the last few decades, and insists on sticking with danger numbers that are way too high.
So, what those numbers are telling you is that serious quantities of carbs are poison for you. Whether you're officially diabetic or insulin resistant or whatever is beside the point now; you know that you can't eat that stuff if you want to stay healthy.
You probably also discovered how hard it is to say "I'll just have a taste" and then stick to it. When your blood sugar isn't well controlled, that's like a recovering alcoholic saying, "Oh, I'll just have one shot and then stop." It's not gonna happen, is it? Once you get started, you'll rationalize like crazy until you convince yourself that you *should* eat three pieces of that birthday cake. (I did the same thing this weekend, but I don't have time to chronicle it now, so later....) It just doesn't pay to even flirt with it.
Today's a new day though; time to learn from it, start over, and move forward.
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nanner - 26 Jun 2007 15:20 GMT >> I tested at 1 hr after starting to eat the sugary stuff (tasted a >> cupcake, had a small piece of bday cake and a bowl of ice cream - i [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Today's a new day though; time to learn from it, start over, and move > forward. thanks Aaron, you seem to know where i am coming from.
BlueBrooke - 25 Jun 2007 20:56 GMT Sorry to piggy back on Roger's reply, but looks like I don't have the original post.
I'm wondering how much lower are you, usually, and how did you feel after you ate this stuff?
>:: Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my >:: blood glucose. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >So, why are you going off program?
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nanner - 25 Jun 2007 21:23 GMT > Sorry to piggy back on Roger's reply, but looks like I don't have the > original post. > > I'm wondering how much lower are you, usually, and how did you feel > after you ate this stuff? i only tested after fasting a few times (around 97) and after eating eggs and similar (around 100 at 1 hr and 103 after 2 hrs)
and i felt like junk but it kicked in the cravey binge monster :(
BlueBrooke - 26 Jun 2007 03:56 GMT >> Sorry to piggy back on Roger's reply, but looks like I don't have the >> original post. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >i only tested after fasting a few times (around 97) and after eating eggs >and similar (around 100 at 1 hr and 103 after 2 hrs) Randomly stabbing yourself won't tell you anything. I think someone already posted info on how to test and what you're looking for. If they didn't, you can find good info here:
http://alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
This tells you when to test, and why.
>and i felt like junk but it kicked in the cravey binge monster :( I don't know if this means you "felt like junk" -- that you felt like eating junk -- or if you "felt like junk" -- you felt lousy after you ate this stuff. If you've "kicked in the cravey binge monster" you probably don't feel too well.
The tide will turn when you realize (1) there isn't any nutritional value in junk food and (2) ten minutes of pleasure eating that stuff isn't worth the hours (or days) of feeling terrible afterwards.
Good luck to you.
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Susan - 25 Jun 2007 17:31 GMT > Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my blood > glucose. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > meanwhile..back to our regularly schedualed healthy eating program!! Those ranges are set way too high. Anything over 140 is doing some kindof organ damage, BUT. I have to say, I don't know anyone with DM who would be that low at one hour following a sugary meal. Keep testing for a while, though; fat can delay the peak of your bg rise after a meal.
Susan
Bill - 26 Jun 2007 17:08 GMT > Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my > blood glucose. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it was 146, I will test again at 2 hrs. I don't know what the numbers > mean though. The booklet gives ranges for diabetics. Hey, this website (doesn't sell anything) gives a picture, showing the studies they're backed by, of the effects of BG levels on your organs, all sorts. It should help you decide for yourself what BG levels you're happy with.
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes
ValveJob - 27 Jun 2007 15:18 GMT >Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my blood >glucose. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >meanwhile..back to our regularly schedualed healthy eating program!! That sound about normal to me.
Susan - 27 Jun 2007 15:36 GMT >>Hi - I had some sugary stuff today so I used the chance to check my blood >>glucose. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That sound about normal to me. Normal for the average American, who typicall develops diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
To avoid those, you want to be lower.
www.phlaunt.com/diabetes
Susan
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