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CheriRedding@MyArbonne.com - 19 Jul 2007 18:39 GMT Everyone's body is different, but I wanted to express, or provide my quick weight loss success. It is very difficult to loose weight and my body is always going up and down...but I noticed, years ago, probably about 5 -6 years, that when I lost water weight - I retain a lot of water, I would be able to loose weight a lot easier. If I retained water and didn't loose it, I wouldn't loose any weight, no matter how hard I tried, even walking 2 miles every other day didn't even work. The over-the counter diuretics did not work. After 2 of 4 of my pregnancies, I used a supplement that really took away water retention (my mother-in-law gave to me among a few other wonderful items) - even during that time of the month, -better than the over the counter PMS medicines, the water weight was comming off immediately and noticiably and I noticed that I was able to loose weight (I gain a lot of weight when I'm pregnant) both times I lost in excess of 70 pounds very quickly. I do not believe that it was a coincidence. I was taking the supplement for leg and vein support (vericos vein issues) and noticed that it really worked quickly to release water. So if you retain a lot of water (If you have medical issues, you may want to discuss with your doctor first), I would suggest trying a leg and vein supplement. I do sell this on my website - called Leg Vein Formula - and it really does work to release water, I believe better than any that I've tried (I'm assuming that the ingredients are formulated differently???)- but I would think that you can find this type of supplement at vitamin stores if you want to comparison shop. I'm happy with my weight - unfortunately I believe, no matter what, I will always be going up and down 2-5 pounds, but it does work for me, I hope you can benefit by it too! And by the way, my sister who has been struggling to loose weight in forever, has been loosing slowly - she's very heavy, within the last two months, has lost over 50 pounds and she uses this (my supplement) supplement. She has always been working out, but for some reason, it is working...I haven't discussed with her, but I believe it's because of loosing water weight. I'm not sure if this is true, maybe you can research for yourself, but I feel that you have to loose a certain amount of water weight (if you retain it) before you can actually loose fat...
Cheri Redding www.CheriRedding.MyArbonne.com
Cheri - 19 Jul 2007 18:48 GMT CheriRedding@MyArbonne.com wrote in message
>that you have to loose a certain amount of water weight (if you retain >it) before you can actually loose fat... > >Cheri Redding If you're going to spam newsgroups, at least learn the difference between *loose* and *lose.*
Cheri, no relation to the above. :-)
Cheri - 21 Jul 2007 15:00 GMT > CheriRedd...@MyArbonne.com wrote in message > >that you have to loose a certain amount of water weight (if you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Cheri, no relation to the above. :-) Maybe it's a ploy to get you to respond...ha ha... I'm sincere. I've struggled with losing (I actually spelled wrong again, but caught it) weight and skin issues all of my life and have tried analyzing it...focusing on water weight retention really helped me - I still go up and down - sometimes 2 -5 pounds a day (my family has bad issues too), but realized that when my water retention was low, I was able to lose weight (by walking primarily - with a double stoller and two little ones - up and down really big hills). When I retained a lot of water, I couldn't lose anything. So I believe that my tip could help someone else.
My employment is a benefit...I employed myself - not to make money - which would be nice, but because I love to spread the word about something that worked-s for me, besides the fact that I really like what I am doing and have made many friends (many other mothers in my kids elementary school). - I never thought I would sell anything - it's very hard to do and you get a lot of criticism - but I really adore the products that I have used and the friends that I have met and the independence that it has given me. (I used to work corporate - it was great too!). Who would I rather get information from...a pediatrician who has never had babies, or a mother...both and then someone else. What I offer is a basis for their own research...whether or not they purchase anything from me is insignificant, what matters is that they can research this tip if they were not aware and comparison shop on their own accord. Products are formulated different. That's why I recommended a supplement that works for me - I used over-the-counter diuretics...10+ years ago they worked, but I have changed or they have changed and they do not work for me anymore. Thanks for your comments! Cheri Redding
Doug Freyburger - 20 Jul 2007 21:02 GMT Spammer wrote:
> Everyone's body is different, but I wanted to express, or provide my > quick weight loss success. It is very difficult to loose weight and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > retained water and didn't loose it, I wouldn't loose any weight, no > matter how hard I tried ... Good news - Low carbers tend to drop retained water. This is especially true of low carbers who use ketosis. And without special supplements.
Cheri - 21 Jul 2007 15:16 GMT > Spammer wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > especially true of low carbers who use ketosis. And without > special supplements. __________________________________________________________________
I used Atkins...it made me ill - my closest friend and her mother used Atkins - lost a lot of weight - gained it back. My tip is inexpensive - focusing on water retention may be something to test and to focus on (at one's choice) using before, during and after any diet.
But again, everyone is different. What worked for me to lose my weight, was to focus on my water weight. Over-the counter diuretics worked for me 10+ years ago, but they don't now. I tried Jenny Craig, Atkins, many other things...I happened to come accross a supplement because I had vericose vein issues that released a lot of water so I'm passing this along...
I have struggled through losing a lot of weight many times and skin issues, I know what worked-s for me and I hope someone else benefits by it. I have a 22 month old. I lost 70+ pounds in a year focusing on water retention - if I retained, I wouldn't lose any weight, no matter how much I exercized.
My employment is a benefit...I don't have to sell anything and it's really hard to be a sales person you get a lot of criticism, but I adore these products, have made a lot of friends, and I'm passing along a good tip...whether or not you or anyone else purchases these products is insignificant - but I do offer as a basis for their own research. What matters is that I have weight/skin issues, found something that works for me and, others, if not aware, - now have an additional tip to research and compare on their own.
If you're interested in my tip, I hope you benefit by it as I have! Best Regards, Cheri Redding
em - 21 Jul 2007 20:12 GMT > I used Atkins...it made me ill - my closest friend and her mother > used Atkins - lost a lot of weight - gained it back. Ah, ok, more of Cheri's diet advice. Thanks for passing that along. Really. Very insightful. Can I like, send you a check for that?
Susan - 21 Jul 2007 21:20 GMT >> I used Atkins...it made me ill - my closest friend and her mother >> used Atkins - lost a lot of weight - gained it back. > > Ah, ok, more of Cheri's diet advice. Thanks for passing that along. > Really. Very insightful. Can I like, send you a check for that? Unlike all those other diets, where if you go off them, you stay thin...
Sheesh.
Susan
Cheri - 22 Jul 2007 00:46 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Susan Susan,
My suggestion is not a diet, my suggestion, that has worked for me, is to focus on water retention - before, during and after any diet. I cannot lose weight on any diet if I am retaining water...i tried Atkins, it did make me sick, as mentioned in another note, I did Jenny Craig and others, but what worked for me, was focusing on water retention - with whatever diet I tried. I wish Atkins didn't make me ill feeling...love steak! Focusing on water and then walking really helped me.
Take Care, Cheri Redding
Susan - 22 Jul 2007 02:17 GMT > My suggestion is not a diet, my suggestion, that has worked for me, is > to focus [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Focusing on water and then walking really > helped me. WhatEVER.
Susan
Doug Freyburger - 22 Jul 2007 17:07 GMT > i tried Atkins, it did make me sick ... Here's the deal -
Over the years a lot of people have come by claiming that they tried Atkins and bad stuff happened. When asked what they were actually eating, without exception it turned out what they were eating didn't jive with the instructions in the book. They didn't know what Atkins really is and weren't on Atkins.
Because of this history I ask you what you were eating while you claimed to be on Atkins. And also how long you ate it and what you'd been eating before you started.
As to water weight effecting lose of stored fat, water is not fat so effort put into dropping water is effort not put into dropping stored fat. And since low carbing automatically comes with dropping water without medication ...
Pat - 23 Jul 2007 16:53 GMT > As to water weight effecting lose of stored fat, water is > not fat so effort put into dropping water is effort not put into > dropping stored fat. And since low carbing automatically > comes with dropping water without medication ... Here's what I think: the media uses the terms "melt the fat" so much that people start to believe their stored body fat can actually be melted! She is confusing water loss with fat just magically melting away.
Pat in TX
Cheri - 23 Jul 2007 19:00 GMT > > As to water weight effecting lose of stored fat, water is > > not fat so effort put into dropping water is effort not put into [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Pat, I'll clarify...I'm not suggesting medicine for fat melting away, I'm only saying to focus on water retention and I offered a natural supplement that took water off of me the same day I took it... I'm not suggesting take it, I'm just offering what was succesful for me to take water off.
I don't mean fat melting away, what I mean is that I can't lose weight, any type of weight, fat, water, if I retain water. If I am not retaining excess water - over a normal amount for my body- I don't know what's normal for everyone, but I can tell when I see my fingers are swelled, then I noticed that it is easier for me to lose weight. This has been sucessful for me...I've lost weight many times. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to stop the excess eating...so at least, I can - have the ability to lose weight, if I need to if I follow some diet- by focusing on how bloated I am with water. That pretty much the gist of it. Thanks, Cheri R
Cheri - 23 Jul 2007 18:50 GMT > > i tried Atkins, it did make me sick ... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > dropping stored fat. And since low carbing automatically > comes with dropping water without medication ... Doug, You could be right. I tried it three time, but I thought that the book was kind of confusing, too much too read - like most diet books - could have been just me. I do know that I wasn't has hungry, excess water did come off, (so this is true to say, it is a successful diet regarding the decrease in hunger and water retention) but I'm thinking that the meat didn't sit well in my stomach (I'm not a big fish person) - I believe it takes a long time to digest. I believe that sometime when 'things - about anything'; can be too much too read - like a book - then I may really miss the appropriate way of following the instructions - at least with me. I found myself skipping around the book, trying to understand - I cannot honestly say that I grasped it all. I guess I need a 'cheat sheet' - If I had a diet that told me what to do and what to eat on the first two pages - for the first 2 weeks, then once I lose some weight, I would probably be interested in reading the rest of it. then I'll probably understand the mix/amounts of carb/meat.
If there is a 'cheat sheet' of the diet offered, maybe I'll try it again....and possibly be able to incorporate the meals, diet into my life so that I'm not hungry, water retention will remain low, and I don't think that I thought of food that often.... I do believe Dr. Atkins was on the right track.... Thanks, Cheri
Doug Freyburger - 23 Jul 2007 22:04 GMT > > > i tried Atkins, it did make me sick ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ... I tried it three time, but I thought that the book > was kind of confusing That's certainly true. As a professional writer, Dr A was, sigh, a good clinical doctor who didn't have the sense to employee a ghost writer until the 2006 edition of the book.
> too much too read There's no way around that part. It's a book.
> but I'm thinking that the meat > didn't sit well in my stomach (I'm not a big fish person) - I believe > it takes a long time to digest. That's why I asked what you had been eating before you started as well as what you ate while you thought you were trying the plan - The body adjusts to digesting its standard food. Digestion adjusts but if you went from a vegetarian or very low fat diet there was a lot of adjustment to be done and that's a few extra weeks.
> I found myself skipping around the book, trying to understand What I translate this statement as - Trying to find that what you are doing is the right way to do it. Skipping around the book is the best way to fail to understand. Standard method for reading comprehension in a non-fiction book - Use the table of contents to find out what is most important in the book.
> If there is a 'cheat sheet' of the diet offered, maybe I'll try it > again... http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one
Caution - You asked for a set of menus. Atkins is a *process* not a menu. It can only be reduced to menus that work for everyone for the first 14 days. After that boot camp it is a process that uses how your body reacts to determine the optimal food for your body. If all you want is a cheat sheet, you're better off trying a simple plan not the Atkins Nutritional Approach.
Cheri - 23 Jul 2007 19:05 GMT > > i tried Atkins, it did make me sick ... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > dropping stored fat. And since low carbing automatically > comes with dropping water without medication ... Doug, I just wanted to add, I'm not suggesting medication, but something that helped me to release excess water retention. It's always been an issue with me... I do worry about it because if you see what my fathers legs look like, you would worry too. Probably genetic - his calfs are huge with water retention. This is why I focus on water retention and find an easy, healthy way of flushing it out. Cheri R.
Pat - 23 Jul 2007 23:58 GMT > Doug, I just wanted to add, I'm not suggesting medication, > but something that helped me to release excess water retention. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > flushing it out. > Cheri R. Have you or your father ever been to a doctor and talked about excess water retention?
Pat in TX
Cheri - 27 Jul 2007 19:41 GMT > > Doug, I just wanted to add, I'm not suggesting medication, > > but something that helped me to release excess water retention. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Pat,
(I'm long winded...so, if you're intersted...)
Yes. My father is on medication. About 2 months ago they doubled his medication - it is working, but slowly. I focus on water retention because of kidney/heart/liver and thyroid issues.I'm an analyzer so I'm always trying to see what works for me - or works better. I have been evaluated, and my blood pressure/heart and kidneys are not an issue at this time. I do find it odd though that (I have very low blood pressure and borderline anemic and my sister was too) my sister - having similar issues as me - 13 months older than me, as she indicated, about a year ago or so, now has high blood pressure. She's focused on her weight, blood pressure, health now more than ever- (she did before, but as weight loss and trying to lose weight in lieu of her causes of - other than eating too much - water retention, slow metabolism, slow digestive, intestinal issues) and I did ask her about the natural leg and vein supplement (this is not medication and not a weight loss product - and anything anyone refers should be researched by any user, and that person deems necessary, should consult with a physician) and she indicated that it really did , immediately - the same night and every day (same as what I noticed), release excess water - very noticably - like I indicated before, she has lost 50+ pounds in the last two months - when she has been struggling for years - she too believes that because of the loss of excess water, it has made it easier for her to actually lose weight while dieting and exercizing. She's very happy with it and her focus has lead her to getting a physical trainer, she walks at least once a day, her energy has increased and she's joined some women's spa group...I don't know the name, but they work out, and receive benefits toward massages and other healthy body....things..she really enjoys and has made friends...she seems happy.
My problem with dieting, is that I don't want to have to focus on what, where or when I have to eat - unfortunately I do because it is a problem- (my husband and his family has the opposite problem - can't gain weight - it's kind of like a nightmare that never stops). Now I know what works for me to release water retention quickly - for now, but my goal is to adjust my diet to reflect natural water loss (I know protein is a good source) and natural decreased hunger, exercise (comes last because it doesn't work for me to lose weight if I retain water or even if I eat less), etc., Maybe, when my kids are in school, I can spend more time researching the best mix of yummy foods so that I can adjusting my daily food consumption to include the right balance of protein to carbs to sweets etc.for my body - so that the weight will come off because of the decrease in water, hunger, etc - then yucky excercise (my own personal feeling). I, for some reason analyze just about everyting... protein does release water - but I'm not happy when I'm heavy so a temporaty quick resolution is good for me for the timebeing - but knowing the right mix/amounts of foods may be the way so that my weight will stop fluctuating 2-5 pounds everyday...don't know.
I copied and pasted. I found some of the comments interesting to know, expecially under "Low Calore Diets" . I thought that the comment regarding suger was also interesting...I definately have a sweeeeeet tooth and my focus has been on salt. It seems like a lot of info...but I thought it was easier to read in this email post then having to flip to the website.
http://www.water-retention.net/water-retention-causes.html
_____________________________________ Causes of Water Retention Home
The changes within your body which lead to water retention are intimately linked to what you eat. They can be set off by any of the following Regularly eating too much salt and/or sugar Not eating enough fresh fruit and vegetables High levels of wastes or toxins in your body Taking certain commonly-prescribed medications Long-term use of very low-calorie diets, which tend to be deficient in protein and other nutrients Food intolerances (similar to allergies) Lack of exercise
Salt and Sugar Salt affects your kidneys and blood pressure. The sodium in salt makes your kidneys hold on to water instead of excreting it. Eating too much sugar raises levels of the hormone insulin. High insulin levels make it hard for you to excrete sodium, so people who indulge a sweet tooth can also be prone to water retention.
Fruit and vegetables Certain fruits and vegetables contain special ingredients which help to prevent your blood vessels from leaking fluid into your tissue spaces. To treat or prevent water retention, it is vital to include them in your diet. There are also herbal products which have a similar strengthening effect. These herbs are not the same as the herbal diuretics which make your kidneys work harder.
Wastes and toxins Cellulite is a form of fat complexed with retained water. Sometimes it holds so much water that it is painful to the touch. Metabolic wastes and toxins such as pesticides which the body cannot easily release tend to be stored in this fat and water. The only way to get rid of them is to use foods and herbs which support your body's detox mechanisms.
Prescribed medicines Water retention is a little-known side effect of some of the most commonly prescribed medicines. They make you retain water because they affect your body's handling of sodium and insulin. The contraceptive pill is a well-known example.
Low-Calorie Diets If you have water retention you are very likely to be overweight. But overweight people tend to go on a low-calorie diet. A low-calorie diet will unfortunately not get rid of water retention - it can actually make it worse, especially if you eat less than 1,200 Calories a day for months or years. One of the most important nutrients to prevent water retention is protein. Protein is in short supply in very low-calorie diets. The most suitable diet for people with water retention is the Waterfall Diet.
Food Intolerances Overloading the stomach, drinking alcohol, taking medications and antibiotics, consuming too much sugar, not getting enough dietary fibre - all these modern-day habits can affect your digestive ability. Undigested particles can get into your blood system and stimulate your immune cells to produce histamine. This histamine is a very big cause of water retention.
Lack of exercise People who spend a lot of time immobile, e.g. those in hospital beds, wheelchairs, or on long-haul flights, even "couch potatoes" can develop water retention because without regular movement to help it, your lymphatic system cannot drain excess fluid out of your tissue spaces. _______________________________________
Another web source that I found interesting: http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/16/262.cfm
Water Retention
WHEN TO SEE YOUR DOCTOR --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Swelling in your extremities or abdomen persists for a week and your skin dents when you poke it.
* If you're pregnant and experience sudden swelling in your legs or elsewhere, see your doctor immediately.
What Your Symptom Is Telling You
Your fingers are so puffy, you need soap to pry off your rings. Your legs are so swollen, your socks leave a rosy ring around your calves. Zippers aren't budging. Buttons are popping.
These are a few clues that your body is retaining more than its usual amount of water-a symptom doctors call edema.
Normally, your body's cells are bathed in water. There's water inside the cells and a certain amount of water around the cells. The amount of water-both inside and outside the cells-is regulated by hormones, sodium and the kidneys.
When there's too much sodium in your body-from eating a high-salt diet, for example-your blood becomes saltier and water is drawn from your cells to dilute it. Thirst prompts you to drink more water.
Steroid medications can also cause puffiness. These drugs cause the kidneys to hold on to sodium.
Some people's bodies seem to retain water for no apparent reason, according to Charles Tifft, M.D., associate professor of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine. The puffiness may come and go in cycles, he says, and may be related to hormone fluctuations. It can affect both men and women. In women it usually occurs in the week or so before menstruation. During this time, the surge in estrogen triggers the production of aldosterone. This hormone makes the kidneys retain water, which tends to collect in the breasts and abdomen. Some women gain several pounds during this time. Other women simply experience a shift in the distribution in water with no weight gain. Slacks and blouses often fit more snugly, however.
Water retention also occurs among women past menopause who take estrogen replacement hormones.
In late pregnancy, many women find that their legs feel like heavy water balloons. That's because the enlarging abdomen presses on the vein that returns fluids back to the heart. Fluids then pool in the legs.
In some cases, water retention signals something more serious. If your skin remains plump or your finger leaves an indentation when you poke your skin, you may have a problem with your heart, kidneys, liver or thyroid.
Symptom Relief
If you're often puffy, the following steps may bring relief.
Skip the junk food. Too much sodium in your blood can waterlog the tissues, so reducing your salt intake makes sense, says Dr. Tifft. Besides avoiding obviously salty fries, pepperoni pizza and convenience foods, cut down on foods containing hidden salt. These include some salad dressings, cereals and canned soups. Become a label reader.
Get your feet pumping. Walking, bicycling and tennis are all activities that help pump out water and other fluids that can pool in your legs and ankles, according to Susan Lark, M.D., director of the PMS and Menopause Self-Help Center in Los Altos, California, and author of Premenstrual Syndrome Self-Help Book and Menopause Self-Help Book.
Take the load off your legs. If you have swollen calves, elevate your legs for a few minutes each day, says Dr. Lark. Lie on the floor on your back facing a wall with your legs raised and your buttocks and hips as close to the wall as possible. Your legs should be touching the wall and extended in a wide "V" formation. Breathe easily. Hold the position for five minutes. If you're pregnant, lie on your side with your feet propped up on a stack of pillows.
Ask about your medications. Give your doctor a list of all medications you are currently taking-both prescription and over-the-counter-and ask whether any alterations are appropriate. Switching to lower-dose estrogen in your hormone replacement therapy, for example, could reduce fluid retention, says Dr. Lark. If you're taking steroids, be sure to let your doctor know about your water-retention problem.
Dig deeper for clues. If you continue to have general swelling despite these measures, you may need a blood pressure check and also kidney and liver function tests, says Dr. Tifft. If tests reveal that your problem is caused by high blood pressure, you may be given a diuretic, such as hydrocholothiazide. These drugs force your kidneys to pump water and sodium out of the tissues into the urine, thus reducing blood volume and lowering pressure. Initially, these drugs can easily drain away two pounds or more of fluid daily, but this effect tends to wear away with time. Diuretics, however, are not "casual weight-loss tools," says Dr. Tifft. "They have potent side effects and need to be closely monitored and carefully prescribed. You don't take them to lose a quick five pounds so you can fit into a dress."
Help for Premenstrual Swelling
If water retention plagues you on a monthly basis, here are several things that might prove helpful.
Pass up drugstore diuretics. Some over-the counter medications intended to relieve menstrual cramp pain also claim to help eliminate premenstrual water weight. Some of these products contain caffeine, which may work as a diuretic, according to Candace Brown, Pharm.D., associate professor of pharmacy and psychiatry at the University of Tennessee in Memphis. "The down side to caffeine, however, is that it also promotes breast pain and tenderness as well as irritability," says Dr. Brown.
Have some herbal tea. Parsley or uva-ursi tea can help flush out excess water without any harmful side effects, according to Dr. Lark. You can find these teas in most health foods stores, she adds.
Check out vitamin B6. Taking up to 250 milligrams of vitamin B6 daily helps reduce premenstrual water retention, says Dr. Lark. This nutrient also reduces fluid buildup caused by hormone replacement therapy during menopause. Vitamin B6, however, can be toxic in higher doses and should only be taken under the supervision of a doctor. Ask your doctor whether a vitamin B6 supplement is appropriate for you.
Try calcium. Researchers at the New York Metropolitan Hospital found that a daily calcium supplement provided relief from premenstrual water retention in three-fourths of the women who took it. "Your best bet is to take a 500-milligram chewable tablet twice daily at breakfast and dinner,"' says Susan Thys-Jacobs, M.D., assistant professor of medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. Ask your doctor whether these supplements might prove helpful in your case.
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Thanks, Cheri __________________________________________
Cheri - 22 Jul 2007 00:37 GMT > > I used Atkins...it made me ill - my closest friend and her mother > > used Atkins - lost a lot of weight - gained it back. > > Ah, ok, more of Cheri's diet advice. Thanks for passing that along. Really. > Very insightful. Can I like, send you a check for that? ____________________________ To em...
If you're upset about something, please don't take it out on me. I've done nothing wrong and have offered what works for me... support group....not bash group!
so if you need to lose weight, then see if it works for you, if you choose not to, then don't! But don't bash on people who offer their successful information.
(Actually, this is getting kind of interesting)
If you want surgery for something, come to me, I may not know anything about it, but you still can pay me - not sure if you'll live though, or, maybe you want to listen objectively to someone who actually experienced success in the 'something' surgury that you need - or, has experience in it...a doctor maybe...
Cheri Redding
em - 22 Jul 2007 04:46 GMT >> > I used Atkins...it made me ill - my closest friend and her mother >> > used Atkins - lost a lot of weight - gained it back. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > not to, then don't! But don't bash on people who offer their > successful information. That's just it. You have nothing to offer. You took a pill for one thing and at the same time you lost weight. So what? What if you switched gas stations (for your car) and lost weight? Same sh.t, different day.
> (Actually, this is getting kind of interesting) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the 'something' surgury that you need - or, has experience in it...a > doctor maybe... There we go, Cheri. You hit the nail on the head. If somebody wants medication or suppliments or surgery, the should go to somebody qualified. You have absolotely ZERO qualifications, and NO experience other then your party of one. Are you a dietician? Are you a nutritionist? Have you even read any decent diet books that were written by a doctor or a nutritionist? No, No, and probably not! And on top of all that, you don't know how to market and sell your product, because all you're doing here is giving people a reason to not like or trust you.
Nobody seems to have anything positive to say about you or this pill of yours that you're selling. Heaven forbid somebody should take this sh.t and get sick. That would be on YOUR shoulders, by the way.
You have NO idea what is in your pills, NO idea whether or not there are any side effects. NO idea whether people with certain medical conditions should avoid this snake oil of yours. sh.t, lady, you kant even spel.
You know, Cheri, this is not getting interesting. It is just getting to be a bigger pile of sh.t.
Cheri - 23 Jul 2007 18:25 GMT > >> > I used Atkins...it made me ill - my closest friend and her mother > >> > used Atkins - lost a lot of weight - gained it back. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I made my comments and for some reason you just want to bash me... I haven't bashed anyone..if you have insight, please offer, but leave me along and please stop bashing on me.
I have noticed that I cannot lose weight when I retain water. When I flush water out, I can...(I noticed that my water retention was easily flushed with an ALL NATURAL SUPPLEMENT - so as a participant, with the same issues, i thought I'd let others know about what worked for me - maybe they would like to research it to see if it may help - research being the keyword. So, I'm not a doctor, not a nurse, I'm someone who has come accross something that worked for me................. There are many products out there, and anyone can has the right to shop for what they want to shop for - what's right for them and their bodies...
BUT get this straight...I never mentioned MEDICATION...so please drop it, because you're going too far with this and I'm feeling like I'm being harassed! I was never mean to you...please go back to the beginning and see who started bashing...This is my last conversation with you. I wish you all the best...em Cheri
em - 24 Jul 2007 05:47 GMT >> Nobody seems to have anything positive to say about you or this pill of >> yours that you're selling. Heaven forbid somebody should take this sh.t [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > me along > and please stop bashing on me. Listen, lady, I can't seem to bash you hard enough. You simply don't go away. If you would educate yourself, rather than tote your magic water pills, you'd understand why.
> I have noticed that I cannot lose weight when I retain water. > When I flush water out, I can...(I noticed that my water retention was > easily flushed with > an ALL NATURAL SUPPLEMENT - so as a participant, with the same issues, > i thought I'd let others know about what worked for me - maybe they > would like to research it to see OK, you're saying that your magic beans are "all natural". What in this world is not "all natural"? When does something become "not all natural"?
> I'm not a doctor, > not a nurse, I'm someone who has > come accross something that worked for me................. Wrong again. You're not a doctor or a nurse, true, but your magic beans don't work. Not for you, even if you think they do, and not for anybody else.
> There are many products out there,
> BUT get this straight...I never mentioned MEDICATION...so please drop > it, because you're going > too far with this and I'm feeling like I'm being harassed! You ARE being harassed. That is my intent. You are a spammer and nobody loves you. Just like that Valdamart guy.
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