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em - 29 Aug 2007 20:05 GMT
Anybody have a list of carbs in nuts, *per ounce*, that they could
copy/paste into a post? If not, I'll just look it up myself & post it
sometime.

All I found on the net was by the cup or T, as follows (fiber already
subtracted):

This is per 2T:
-----------------
Almonds - 1.4g
Cashews - 5g
Chestnuts - 24.2g
Coconut - 0.7g
Hazelnuts - 1.2g
Macadamia Nuts - 0.9g
Peanut Butter - 4.3g
Peanuts - 1.8g
Pecans - 0.6g
Pine Nuts - 1.7g
Pistachio Nuts - 3.1g
Pumpkin Seeds - 2.4g
Sunflower Seeds - 1.5g
Walnuts - 1.1g

TIA
DJ Delorie - 29 Aug 2007 22:49 GMT
Have you tried http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/ ?
em - 29 Aug 2007 23:20 GMT
> Have you tried http://www.delore.com/health/ns/ ?

I took a look. Its "another" database to look up food values. The USDA
database is pretty much the standard & easy to use:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

I've seen a few websites on the net that group foods, like nuts, wines,
fruits, meats, etc. Was hoping to find something with a fairly complete list
of nuts so that I don't have to search them out in a database.
DJ Delorie - 30 Aug 2007 00:36 GMT
> I took a look. Its "another" database to look up food values. The USDA
> database is pretty much the standard & easy to use:
>
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

Mine *is* the USDA database, except I do the LC math for you
(subtracting fiber, pretty pie charts, etc) and let you build
"standard" nutrition labels for any serving size.

But it should have ounces for most nuts.
DJ Delorie - 30 Aug 2007 00:37 GMT
> I took a look. Its "another" database to look up food values. The USDA
> database is pretty much the standard & easy to use:
>
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

Mine *is* the USDA database, except I do the LC math for you
(subtracting fiber, pretty pie charts, etc) and let you build
"standard" nutrition labels for any serving size.

But it should have ounces for most nuts.
em - 30 Aug 2007 01:41 GMT
>> I took a look. Its "another" database to look up food values. The USDA
>> database is pretty much the standard & easy to use:
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>
> But it should have ounces for most nuts.

Cool! I'll spend some time and check it out. Thanks!
Aaron Baugher - 30 Aug 2007 01:25 GMT
> Anybody have a list of carbs in nuts, *per ounce*, that they could
> copy/paste into a post? If not, I'll just look it up myself & post
> it sometime.
>
> All I found on the net was by the cup or T, as follows (fiber
> already subtracted):

It's frustrating how all the books and lists measure some things in
volume, some in weight, and some things in guesstimates like "1/2
medium peach".  How accurate is "medium"?  Probably varies at least as
much as my appetite.

The little Atkins carb-counting book I picked up does the same thing.
I was looking at pasta the other day, because I was going to a dinner
where the host knew I'm diabetic (it's easiest to just tell them
that), so she cooked whole-wheat pasta for the spaghetti, since that's
great for diabetics, right?  (Yeah, I know.)  On the same page, the
book gives the amount for regular pasta by weight and the amount for
whole wheat pasta by volume, so you can't even compare those two
almost-identical items!

Anyway, as far as I know, you're stuck making up your own lists from
the USDA database if you want consistent measurements.

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em - 30 Aug 2007 01:51 GMT
>> Anybody have a list of carbs in nuts, *per ounce*, that they could
>> copy/paste into a post? If not, I'll just look it up myself & post
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> medium peach".  How accurate is "medium"?  Probably varies at least as
> much as my appetite.

Even worse is the way they do things in stores with the prices. I really
don't give a damn how much meat or cheese costs per ounce. Often times, you
multiply out the price/oz and it doesn't match what they're charging. A real
crock! The difference between .28/oz and .35/oz is $1.12 a pound. Not "oh,
there's only a few pennies difference between this and that." Jerks.
Marketing bullshit.

> The little Atkins carb-counting book I picked up does the same thing.
> I was looking at pasta the other day, because I was going to a dinner
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> whole wheat pasta by volume, so you can't even compare those two
> almost-identical items!

I have a decent kitchen scale. Its digital, does grams/ozs and tare. I weigh
everything that needs to be measured & multiply it out. When I was doing
low-cal, people would comment when they would see something that is normally
measured in cups, like skim milk, and see me weighing it out on the scale.
Now, wow, I'm weighing my veggies and slopping on the dressing ;-) Looks odd
to the uninitiated passer-by, for shizel.

> Anyway, as far as I know, you're stuck making up your own lists from
> the USDA database if you want consistent measurements.

I'll give it a day or two. I'd like to put together my own little book so
that when I'm oot and aboot, I'll know what's what.

> Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Good stuff!!!
Roger Zoul - 30 Aug 2007 16:26 GMT
.

:: Even worse is the way they do things in stores with the prices. I
:: really don't give a damn how much meat or cheese costs per ounce.
:: Often times, you multiply out the price/oz and it doesn't match what
:: they're charging. A real crock! The difference between .28/oz and
:: .35/oz is $1.12 a pound. Not "oh, there's only a few pennies
:: difference between this and that." Jerks. Marketing bullshit.

Where do you shop?  The stores I shop in never price meat and cheese per
ounce as none buy them that way.  Things that come in cans typcially will
have price / oz, because that how they are commonly used.  I'd object
strongly to a store pricing meat & cheese on a per oz basis.  Deceptive.
BlueBrooke - 30 Aug 2007 19:38 GMT
>.
>::
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>have price / oz, because that how they are commonly used.  I'd object
>strongly to a store pricing meat & cheese on a per oz basis.  Deceptive.

The additional "price per ounce" or "price per unit" information used
to be great for comparison shopping, but not so much anymore -- not at
my store, anyway.  They've messed with the info so much, you still
have to do the mental math to figure out which is the better buy.  

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Aaron Baugher - 31 Aug 2007 01:10 GMT
>>.
>>::
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>>have price / oz, because that how they are commonly used.  I'd object
>>strongly to a store pricing meat & cheese on a per oz basis.  Deceptive.

> The additional "price per ounce" or "price per unit" information used
> to be great for comparison shopping, but not so much anymore -- not at
> my store, anyway.  They've messed with the info so much, you still
> have to do the mental math to figure out which is the better buy.  

Yeah, I'll be standing there looking at two brands of cheese slices,
and one will give the price per ounce and the other will give price
per pound.  (These are for comparison shopping between items that are
priced by the package.)  I can multiply by 16, but if it's only going
to save me a few pennies, is it really worth it?

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BlueBrooke - 31 Aug 2007 05:24 GMT
>>>.
>>>::
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>priced by the package.)  I can multiply by 16, but if it's only going
>to save me a few pennies, is it really worth it?

Yup --

Besides that, anymore I'm more and more "brand loyal."  I read labels
on new things, and stick to the stuff I know.  So it really ticks me
off when they change ingredients, etc., and catch me unawares.  I'm a
definite believer in reading labels, but should we *really* have to do
it each and every time we pick something up?  ;-)  

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em - 31 Aug 2007 06:33 GMT
>>>.
>>>::
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> priced by the package.)  I can multiply by 16, but if it's only going
> to save me a few pennies, is it really worth it?

That's what *they* want you to think. Fact is those "few pennies" turn into
dollars per pound pretty damn quickly.
Aaron Baugher - 31 Aug 2007 13:14 GMT
> Aaron Baugher said:
>> Yeah, I'll be standing there looking at two brands of cheese
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> That's what *they* want you to think. Fact is those "few pennies"
> turn into dollars per pound pretty damn quickly.

Sometimes they do; sometimes they don't.  I'm pretty cheap, so I do
multiply it out and often there's no difference.  I don't think
they're trying to trick me.  After all, if one item is $.49/ounce and
the other is $6.28/pound, how is that supposed to make me buy the more
expensive one?  If I can multiply, I'm going to figure it out; if I
can't, I'll be guessing and just as likely to pick the cheaper one.

More likely two different people made the price tags for those items,
and one thought per-ounce would be more useful and the other thought
per-pound would be.  Never assume a conspiracy when incompetence is
enough explanation.

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em - 30 Aug 2007 21:39 GMT
> .
> ::
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>
> Where do you shop?

Los Angeles.
BlueBrooke - 31 Aug 2007 05:24 GMT
>> .
>> ::
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>
>Los Angeles.

Well *that* explains it!  

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BlueBrooke - 30 Aug 2007 02:15 GMT
>> Anybody have a list of carbs in nuts, *per ounce*, that they could
>> copy/paste into a post? If not, I'll just look it up myself & post
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>Anyway, as far as I know, you're stuck making up your own lists from
>the USDA database if you want consistent measurements.

I don't think there's any way to be completely accurate -- you can
just do the best you can with what you've got.  

I pretty much weigh everything, which is supposed to be more accurate,
but it isn't perfect, either.  A few months ago, I put my hot broccoli
on the plate and while I stood there and watched, the weight went down
and down and down -- I can only assume it was water evaporating.  :-)
Which is my next point -- aside from the confusion on just what a
"medium" peach is, you then have the variable of how much of that
peach is just plain water.  I've had some pretty "dry" peaches and
they were yucky!  ;-)  

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em - 30 Aug 2007 02:35 GMT
>>> Anybody have a list of carbs in nuts, *per ounce*, that they could
>>> copy/paste into a post? If not, I'll just look it up myself & post
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> peach is just plain water.  I've had some pretty "dry" peaches and
> they were yucky!  ;-)

I've been weighing myself daily and keeping a chart. I'm pretty visual
thinker & have some background in statistics. I'm looking at the data and
looking and looking, and its not making sense. I believe there is an unknown
factor in weight loss and the reason the scale goes up-and-down so
unpredictably, day-to-day and week-to-week, is because that unknown factor
is not being controlled. I just don't believe that water is the root cause
of "scale bobbing". We all seek to control calories or carbs (or both) and
fret over the water content of broccolli. There is a missing factor, out
there, damnit, and when I find it I'm going to tell the world, "This is the
easiest/best/fastest way to lose weight".

(In the meantime, being the humble guy that I am, I'll stick to Atkin's
plan. Really, though, there's a factor in weight loss that's being missed --  
I'm sure of it.)
Doug Freyburger - 30 Aug 2007 17:31 GMT
> I've been weighing myself daily and keeping a chart. I'm pretty visual
> thinker & have some background in statistics. I'm looking at the data and
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> is not being controlled. I just don't believe that water is the root cause
> of "scale bobbing".

Signal noise on the scale readings includes water retained for a
wide assortment of reasons, food passing through the digestive
system, variations in lean and bone mass and on and on and on.

Almost without exception folks want to lose fat and water with
as little other loss as possible.  Neither the scale nor the tape
are able to tell us our fat mass, and no matter how hard anyone
tries to control their water it doesn't actually work.

Folks try varying carb intake to trigger water loss, or cutting
salt intake or whatever.  Wrestlers even take laxatives to do
spot reductions in what gets measured by the scale.  None of
these efforts change the amount of stored fat so what they
really do is bounce the scale within its noise.  It can be hard
to understand that every measurement (or every sort ever not
just scales) has some amount of error/noise in it.  It is SO
tempting to think that the scale says so-and-so therefore that
means something about stored fat.

But the scale reading isn't completely without meaning just
because there's an error range around the number it gives
you this time.  A new low is a new low, and a new high more
than some amount above a recent low is a gain, but how to
tell that range ...

> We all seek to control calories or carbs (or both) and
> fret over the water content of broccolli.

Someone frets over the water content of broccoli?  WAY
over-board on failing to understand that no matter how much
effort you put into fighting water retention it doesn't work.

> There is a missing factor, out
> there, damnit, and when I find it I'm going to tell the world, "This is the
> easiest/best/fastest way to lose weight".

When you find it you'll have a new chapter to add to the
article "Why the scale lies".  Losing stuff other than fat in
the long run doesn't matter as much as losing fat.  In fact,
if there were a way to tell lost lean or bone the goal would
be to increase those not reduce them.
Cubit - 31 Aug 2007 18:11 GMT
Oh, the nuts you eat.  I thought it was maybe a listing of low carb
fanatics.

> Anybody have a list of carbs in nuts, *per ounce*, that they could
> copy/paste into a post? If not, I'll just look it up myself & post it
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>
> TIA
 
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