Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / September 2007
How rare is OK?
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em - 21 Sep 2007 20:20 GMT I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various "germs", because there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that humans can catch, but that with beef, that is not the case (except BSE, I suppose). I've eaten some pretty rare meat in the past. What is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again, I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them.
On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly single guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.)
Roger Zoul - 21 Sep 2007 22:10 GMT :: On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? What do you mean is it possible?
Aaron Baugher - 21 Sep 2007 22:14 GMT > I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and > pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again, > I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them. The numbers have come down over the years. A meat thermometer is the only way I can do a good job on the grill, so I always cook chicken to 165, pork to 150 (I think; I'd have to check that one to be sure), and beef to 145-150 (for medium-rare to medium).
The main concern with hogs used to be trichinosis, but that's almost unheard of in US-raised hogs now. Brucellosis has been completely wiped out (at least here in Illinois and neighboring states). Likewise with chicken and eggs (and dairy), a lot of the old diseases have been wiped out by cleaner raising and butchering practices.
Of course, with some of our food coming from overseas nowadays, and much of it unlabeled as such, all bets are off if you don't know where your meat is coming from. Those diseases aren't so rare everywhere. And even if the animal itself is healthy, you have to trust everyone who handles it along the way not to infect it somehow. The more food you can get from local farmers you know, the better.
> On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? > (Newly single guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.) I think you can cook anything in the microwave; the question is whether you'd want to. I've browned hamburger in one before, and that worked okay, although it ended up more boiled than browned. You might check your nearest thrift store or used book store; they usually have a bunch of microwave cookbooks that people threw out when they realized all they ever use the thing for is popcorn, leftovers, and TV dinners.
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Jim - 22 Sep 2007 01:19 GMT >>I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and >>pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again, >>I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them. Help! My Apartment Has a Kitchen Cookbook: 100+ Great Recipes with Foolproof Instructions (Paperback) by Kevin Mills (Author), Nancy Mills (Author), Richard A. Goldberg (Illustrator)
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Doug Freyburger - 21 Sep 2007 23:09 GMT > ... I've eaten > some pretty rare meat in the past. What is the limit? I'm not interested in > eating raw meat, but then again, I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried > them. Steak tartare is served at room temperature. It is raw beef diced so fine it would be a powder if it were dry, mixed with a little raw egg and maybe some spices. So the limit on minimum cooking seems to be "thawed". I don't think tartare has much flavor but that's a matter of personal preference.
> On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly single > guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.) Sure. I remember a line from "Deer Hunter". The cook was describing his experience in Army cook school - "They took fifty pounds of the most beautiful prime rib I've ever seen and the put it in this giant kettle. I sneaked a peak into that kettle and it was all turning gray. The saddest thing I've ever seen."
Beef is better with dry heat (grill, pan) or wet heat (stew pot).
Consider this - You're a guy. Guy's man the grill. Now go get out the charcoal and grill yourself some steak! ;^)
FOB - 22 Sep 2007 01:17 GMT You can cook anything in a microwave but the results are not necessarily satisfactory. Meat is one thing that doesn't turn out well. Get yourself a cast iron frying pan, it will do meat better than anything else and they are cheap. Google about seasoning it, never use soap to wash it. The best burger is cooked on a hot pan to seal in the juices. I like to season mine with Spike, it goes wonderfully with beef. On pork chops I like onion salt, on lamb chops garlic salt. I get packages of frozen ground round patties from Costco, they come in a tube. You can just fry them frozen. I cook on one side for a couple of minutes, flip, season, flip, season, flip, pile on some chopped sweet (Vidalia type) onion and a handful of shredded cheese. McDonalds can't hold a candle to it.
I like beef a bit rare, pork well done, lamb rare. Fish is great stuff, too, it cooks very quickly so be careful not to overcook it or it will be dry.
| I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and | pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly | single guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.) UsenetID - 22 Sep 2007 02:32 GMT > On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? The best prime rib I've ever had, bar none, was carefully prepared in a microwave, back in 1978. Big monster, weighed a ton - maybe today's microwave's couldn't do it the same way - nice and slow...
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trader4@optonline.net - 23 Sep 2007 13:54 GMT "I remember something, somewhere, someplace saying that chicken and pork had to be heated to a certain temperature to kill the various "germs", because there are diseases that chicken and pigs carry that humans can catch, but that with beef, that is not the case (except BSE, I suppose). I've eaten some pretty rare meat in the past. What is the limit? I'm not interested in eating raw meat, but then again, I thought raw eggs were gross until I tried them. "
All meat, beef included, can carry serious health risks if eaten raw. With beef, surely you've heard of people serioulsy ill, deaths and recalls from E Coli? Now, considering how much meat is eaten and how few people get ill, the risk is extremely low. But, it's still there. There is a wide range of factors here to consider. For example, understanding how meat gets contaminated is important. E Coli is present in the intestinal tracts of cattle. So, anything that happens in processing where that contamination makes it's way into the meat is the problem. For that reason, if you're going to eat meat rare or raw, it's much safer to do so with a steak than if it;s ground beef. With a steak, any contamination is going to be on the outside and will be destroyed with even minimal cooking. And if you prepare raw beef, you can use slices taken from inside, with minimal outside surface. Ground beef, on the other hand, provides a path for E Coli to be inside a burger, where if it's not cooked thoroughly, like in the center, it can survive. For that reason, the current recommendation for burger safety is to cook them until well done.
Now, does that mean you have to do it? Or should do it? That depends on you. If your a healthy adult, the risk is so low that I would not deny myself a med burger, which is how I like them. On the other hand, if you're elderly, a young child, have other serious medical problems, immune system problems, etc, then it's a different story.
Pretty much the same with other foods. A small percentage of eggs carry salmonella inside the egg. No amount of safe handling, washing, etc is going to get rid of it. Here in NJ, about 15 years ago, the stupid politicians actually passed a law requiring eggs served in restaurants to be fully cooked. It created such a backlash, that it was repealed.
And as far as E Coli, people have been killed from that eating everything from apples to spinach.
Some simple things to reduce risk:
Use only plastic type cutting boards for meat, chicken, etc. Wood can harbor bacteria and is harder to clean.
Wash your hands after handling meat. Only use paper towels to wipe off your contaminated hands before washing. When handling meat, keep at a minimum anything else you touch before you can wash and then wash what you've touched. For example, if using a knife and touching meat, then wash then don't be touching everything else and wash the knife when u wash your hands.
Keep food a min of time in the danger zone where bacteria grow, 40-140F
"On another note, is it possible to cook beef in the microwave? (Newly single guy here, so.... sorry if this is a dumb question.) "
Possible? Yes. But given what it tastes like (think boiled), it's not something I would do.
Harold Groot - 24 Sep 2007 02:32 GMT >Use only plastic type cutting boards for meat, chicken, etc. Wood can >harbor bacteria and is harder to clean. While that is widely taught, the actual studies on the subject are in disagreement. Wood has some natural anti-bacterial properties. Some of the conflicting reports are summarized here:
http://www.reluctantgourmet.com/cutting_board.htm
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