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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / October 2007carbs and exercise
Hey Guys, I'm new to the group but thought my experience would be useful to some of you. I was on Atkins for about 5 years. While I was able to lose some weight, I was never able to achieve the body I wanted. I finally worked with a very good weight loss coach who had me integrate healthy carbs into my diet. The combination of a diet high in protein and healthy carbs along with plenty of weight training and running enabled me to finally lose the unwanted lbs. An initial low carb 2 weeks a la the South Beach Diet can be effective, but after that- My advice to anyone who is sluggish while on low carb is to trying the following: 1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit. 2) Eat carbs an hour before weight training - you can't train hard if you have low blood sugar. 3) Eat some carbs after exercise to restock glycogen stores so that you have fuel for your next workout. 4) Avoid eating carbs late in the day. 5) Avoid foods with sugar, enriched flour and high fructose corn syrup. Are the food manufacturers hiring these people to promote carbohydrate consumption? | Hey Guys, | [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] | 5) Avoid foods with sugar, enriched flour and high fructose corn | syrup. > 1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit. That's the worst time; blood glucose and insulin goes higher after breakfast than any other time of the day. Unless you specifically want to turn those carbs directly into fat, you're better off with a protein breakfast. For those who wish or need to add carbs, low-sugar fruits are a much better choice than grains, though I'd be disinclined to recommend them at breakfast. If one wishes to eat grains, oatmeal is not the best choice. One is much better off eating whole grains, so oat groats would be preferred to oatmeal. But frankly, barley is a much better choice if one wants a grain - barley has more antioxidants than blueberries. > 4) Avoid eating carbs late in the day. Actually, you have this backwards. Later in the day is when the body is at moving the sugar into muscle cells rather than into the liver to be converted to triglycerides. If your purpose is replenishing glycogen in muscles, it should be later in the day; if your purpose is adding triglycerides to adipose tissue, you're better off eating them at breakfast.  Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ Jackie Patti a écrit : >> 1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit. > > That's the worst time; blood glucose and insulin goes higher after > breakfast than any other time of the day. Unless you specifically want > to turn those carbs directly into fat, you're better off with a protein > breakfast. I really thought it was the other way around. I really almost never have breakfast. I mean a real breakfast, not just a liter of coffee with a big glass of water. However, I can really rememebr the rare times when I had a high-everyhting breakfast (bread, butter milk, jam,etc...). I had a tremendous energy for the whole day. It was incredible. I had no hunger at noon, at all. On the other hand, I don't remember loosing weight during these periods. But I rememember not puting on weight and being quite normally shaped. Huey > > 1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > --http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ Hey Jackie, It seems like you have a good amount of scientific knowledge about this topic. Thanks for your input. My post was based on my own experience and the experience of other people that I know. I am a triathlete and marathon runner and there is no way I could train the way I do without eating carbs. It's simply not a good long term option for me. I have lost 50lbs, and am under 5% body fat. Check out my website to see the end results. www.colemecray.com I am also a personal trainer and I do recommend that overweight people control their carb intake and do a few weeks of low carbs to help with insulin resistance. In addition, my feeling about some of the technical points you posted is as follows: Your body will only store fat to the extent that you are consuming calories in excess of your body's needs. If you are lethargic, you are probably low blood sugar and your body needs more calories at that particular moment in time. Combining good quality carbs with foods high in protein should slow down the insulin response and allow your body to process the foods efficiently. I have been successful on a diet high in protein and healthy carbs that is low in fat. I wish everyone out there good luck in their weight loss. >I am a triathlete and marathon runner and there is no way I could >train the way I do without eating carbs. It's simply not a good long [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that is low in fat. I wish everyone out there good luck in their >weight loss. I once lost 32 lbs. in 8 weeks, courtesy of the US Army. We marched everywhere in the Ozark mountains of Missouri. At least 4-6 miles each way every day. Contrary to what I anticipated, we didn't run all that much. We just put on 25-30 lbs worth of gear and marched/hiked daily for 8 weeks. I ate 3 big meals every day with lots of carbs and still lost weight. As a triathlete and marathoner, you would lose fat regardless of what you ate. Or how much of it you ate. Carb-loading for you is a way of life. If I were ever to attempt to run a marathon, I would probably be away from home for 3-5 days. A triathalon would probably use up 2 weeks of my vacation. ;^) 5% body fat is great for a marathon runner or triathlete. The rest of us can be pretty healthy with a BF percentage 4 to 5 times that. Mark "Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't" > .... My post was based on my own > experience and the experience of other people that I know. But there's a problem with that: > I am a triathlete and marathon runner and there is no way I could > train the way I do without eating carbs. Marathon training is different from other levels of training - The first runner after the battle of marathon died because of his run. Thus any opinions based on what works for marathoners are utterly irrelevant and useless if extended to folks not doing marathon training. Sure, marathon runners eat plenty of carbs. So what. It does not apply at all to folks not training for marathons and tends to be counterproductive. > It's simply not a good long term option for me. For *you*. Correct. Don't generalize unless that generalization makes sense. Feel free to generalize to other marathoners, and for that matter to athletes in other sports that are based on fatal activities rendered non-lethal by way of specialized training regimens. > I have lost 50lbs, and am under 5% body fat. For normal humans that level of body fat is not healthy. For folks trying to exit obesity it's irrelevant and advice aimed at going from normal weight ranges to to level is worse than irrelevant. > I am also a personal trainer and I do recommend that overweight people > control their carb intake and do a few weeks of low carbs to help with > insulin resistance. Right. Low carb works to the normal weight ranges. It works for folks who've built up to century bike rides as level but who still stay under 100 grams per day, but even the century bike ride level needs to drive folks to up their carbs. > In addition, my feeling about some of the technical points you posted > is as follows: > > Your body will only store fat to the extent that you are consuming > calories in excess of your body's needs. Calories work moderately well as an approximation, but storing excess fat is based on the hormones that drive it not on exact calorie counts. > If you are lethargic, you > are probably low blood sugar and your body needs more calories at that > particular moment in time. True. > Combining good quality carbs with foods > high in protein should slow down the insulin response and allow your > body to process the foods efficiently. Where "good quality carbs" generally equals veggies form the low carb list and are thus low carb. > I have been successful on a diet high in protein and healthy carbs > that is low in fat. Consistant with being a marathoner. > Hey Guys, > > I'm new to the group but thought my experience would be useful to some > of you. I was on Atkins for about 5 years. While I was able to lose > some weight, I was never able to achieve the body I wanted. I was stupid enough to start low-carbing, when I already had a body that most people would love to have. That turned out to be a disaster. I noticed recently that google started a photo sharing website, so I now I have a place to stick some pictures: http://photos.google.com/kkylheku After a full year of sane nutrition, I'm mostly recovered. That low- carbing sh.t really f.cks up your body, in invisible ways. Your whole metabolism gets whacked. You can't fix it overnight. In the last six months, I've become more interested in packing on muscle, so I'm eating more and looking a bit soft. I don't think I'm a genetic hard-gainer, but all the running I do (six days a week, eight miles a day) effectively turns me into one. I used to lift weights five days a week! All upper body, and heavy. Lifting weights only once a week, and sticking with moderately heavy ones seems to be working, though, together with eating plenty of calories. One of these days, I should start cutting. Maybe January. Strange; when I look at that 2005 photo, I think: hey, that looks so good. But I didn't think so then. I still wanted a lower body fat level. But, perplexingly, back then I also didn't yet have such an aversion against my old fat pictures. Now when I see that ``before'' shot, I just f.cking want to puke. I feel very strange and uncomfortable that that image has anything to do with me, let alone that it /is/ me. I honestly don't know who that person was. > > Hey Guys, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > that image has anything to do with me, let alone that it /is/ me. I > honestly don't know who that person was. I have no idea what this guy said. I think the carbs prevent him from composing a coherent sentence. mptpro@gmail.com a écrit : > I have no idea what this guy said. I think the carbs prevent him from > composing a coherent sentence. If you hadn't mentionned him, I wouldn't have seen the message at all. This entity's messages are successfully filtered with the key word kkylheku@gmail.com Btw, the guy on the 2005 picture is on the verge of having malnutrition if you ask me. I would not like to look like him. Shall I stay on low carb? ;-) Huey > mpt...@gmail.com a ?crit : > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This entity's messages are successfully filtered with the key word > kkylheku@gmail.com This entity is a person, and the above is his real e-mail address. You can easily filter my postings; I have no intention of making it difficult for someone to be exposed to reading something that makes him uncomfortable. But obviously, you can't resist peeking at material you have killfiled. Can't help you there, buddy. > Btw, the guy on the 2005 picture is on the verge of having malnutrition > if you ask me. My BMI is over 23 in that picture (less than two points away from being ``clinically'' overweight at 25, bahaha!), and my fat-free mass index (FFMI) is just a little under 22 or thereabouts. The average man's FFMI is 19. So I have considerably more muscle and far less fat than the average male. Even intuitively, 175 is not light for a 6'1" man, let alone one who is cut. > I would not like to look like him. Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying ``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut, athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel universe where women have been programmed differently. > Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly > beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel > universe where women have been programmed differently. Is it the smell of the carbs that attracts them? Tom a écrit : >> Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly >> beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel >> universe where women have been programmed differently. I might be a bit rude here , but actually, if I have to get like this just to make "eye contact" with a beautiful woman, I'd rather go on low-carbing the rest of my life. Oh but wait... I don't do women, right? No I don't. Oh well lets' stay low-carb then. ;-) Leaving jokes aside. Kaz, if you are sincere when writing here, I would advise you to open your eyes more often: even when you were fat, you had the means to be noticed. You simply didnt' want people to notice you. There's a big chance that the only reason you want to be "well cut" (which by definition you will never be since your standards change all the time) is that the persuit of this gives you the need to look for results in other people's eyes. This is what I call the haircut syndrom. After a haircut, you often notice that people in the street are looking at you. omg: they *do* know that you just had a haircut! Or is it that you just open your eyes searching for people looking at you? Huey He sounds to me like he really needs to be working on his self esteem. | Tom a écrit : ||| Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] | | Huey > Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly > beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel > universe where women have been programmed differently. It's the confidence. Women prefer lean and athletic. "Cut" big muscularity scares women. But the confidence is the number one thing. If the muscles are your confidence, Samson, then sure, the muscles make you attractive to women. >> Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly >> beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel >> universe where women have been programmed differently. > It's the confidence. Women prefer lean and athletic. "Cut" big > muscularity scares women. But the confidence is the number one > thing. If the muscles are your confidence, Samson, then sure, the > muscles make you attractive to women. Exactly. If women started approaching you and showing interest, it's because your new look made you more confident. That shows in your body language, from the way you walk, to the angle of your head and shoulders, to the look in your eyes. You can completely change the way women view you and approach you without changing your physical appearance one bit. Appearance matters very little, as long as you don't actually smell bad or let your gut hang out under your shirt -- and even those guys can do better than you'd expect if their attitude is perfect. Not that there's anything wrong with improving your physique -- I'd love to get back to the build that made people in college ask what position I played -- but you can get as ripped as you want, and if you're still timid and supplicating, it won't help much. SignatureAaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz > Btw, the guy on the 2005 picture is on the verge of having malnutrition > if you ask me. I would not like to look like him. Shall I stay on low > carb? ;-) > > Huey that's what too much aerobic does to ya.... > I was stupid enough to start low-carbing, when I already had a body > that most people would love to have. That turned out to be a disaster. The key word here is stupid, meaning you. If you're going to blame LC for making you lose muscle mass, then that's simple proof that you're a complete and utter moron. > > Hey Guys, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://photos.google.com/kkylheku Can I recommend something for you, Kaz. http://www.amazon.com/Adonis-Complex-Identify-Prevent-Obsession/dp/068486911X/re f=sr_1_2/105-3834377-1515662?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193760932&sr=8-2 It talks about big-o-rexia, which I think you have. At least your pictures and your story seem to suggest. If you're happy with having the Adonis Complex, maybe you should try anabolic steroids. It's probably the only way you're going to get where you really want to be. HGH wouldn't hurt, either. |
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