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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2008Apple cider vinegar
Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our WOE?  SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com > Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our > WOE? > > -- > JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com It's not bad as a pre-treatment for ribs. In article <bf2c3428-0dc1-4912-90c5-507e7de25943@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our > > WOE? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's not bad as a pre-treatment for ribs. And it's good in home-made vinaigrette. And cole slaw. Signature"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly. This, apparently, upsets the fools." ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest > > > Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our > > > WOE? > > > It's not bad as a pre-treatment for ribs. > > And it's good in home-made vinaigrette. And cole slaw. It's great in German potato salad, too, which isn't remotely low carb. Like like it sprinkled on steamed veggies, sorta like a vinaigrette without the oil. As to apple cider vinegar being a cure-all, it's entertaining nonsense but at least it's inexpensive nonsense if you take the vinegar itself not some concentrated capsules of the non-vinegar stuff. "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" is great advice for folks who would otherwise be eating pasta or rice or french fries, but "A serving of brocolli a day keeps the doctor away" beats the apple. And just how much vinegar would it take to be the equivalent of an entire apple? Probably close to a cup of the stuff. Far in excess of what I've seen anyone use. Ascetic acid can be used in aerobic respiration as an alternate entry point to glucose. Even though the process would be slow, I wonder if it makes sense for a conservative counting method to count ascetic acid calories as carb calories. I've never taken enough vinegar in any one day for it to make a change in my count more than 2-3 grams so I figure it falls into a category of fun to ponder academic issues that aren't of enough practical matter to act upon. >> Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related >> to our WOE? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's not bad as a pre-treatment for ribs. <G> > Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our > WOE? Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com >> Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our >> WOE? > > Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? It's a "dose", not a "does", idiot, and seriously no. >> Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? > > It's a "dose", not a "does", idiot, and seriously no. A typo is not low carb JC. Why not get yourself away from cooking those super sized fries for awhile, and get some exercise? If you lost some weight, perhaps you could work on that transparent low self esteem problem of yours? LOL LCer for 9 years with 50lb lost SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com >>> Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LCer for 9 years with 50lb lost It must suck to lose 50 pounds and still be obese. Try eating less and exercising more. >>>> Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It must suck to lose 50 pounds and still be obese. Try eating less and > exercising more. It really must suck to be a trolling cretin with low self esteem issues. Let's see.... how many of us know someone fairly normal that has the time to read and post thousands of insults as you do? Maybe you need to put down that quarter pounder, and get outside for awhile? Maybe try to make a face to face real world friend? Have you ever had a mate? I doubt it with your attitude. Let me guess.... your boss isn't as smart as you, but for some reason you just can't get ahead in life. Working at that fryer all day must do wonders for your complexion as well as your waistline. Most of us that have been reading your insults over the years, laugh at you, not with you. Or did you know that? JK Sinrod LCer for 9 years with 50lb lost >>>>> Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > issues. Let's see.... how many of us know someone fairly normal that has > the time to read and post thousands of insults as you do? Counting is not your strong suit? No wonder you're still obese. If someone posts information that doesn't suit you, then they must be a troll. No wonder you're still obese. Maybe someday you'll deal with reality, but most likely you'll just stay obese. >> the time to read and post thousands of insults as you do? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If someone posts information that doesn't suit you, then they must be a > troll. Do your nasty insults qualify as "information" in your lonely world? When have you ever posted encouragement or fact or anything worthwhile? All I ever see are insults from you. Do you disagree JC? I hear therapy may work well for folks like you. So does marriage and children, business success and education. I have all four, how about you? I'm betting you're 0 for 4 in the socialization department. Does Burger King give you health benefits for therapy? Put down that Whopper long enough to take a look in the mirror. Being an insulting troll is not low carb... a hardy LOL in your direction. *Unless you can be more clever in your insults, I may only go one more round JC then you go back in the killfile. Just think, you started all this by calling me an idiot for making a typo! Do you thrive on these anonymous battles? You have so many. SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com >>> the time to read and post thousands of insults as you do? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Do your nasty insults qualify as "information" in your lonely world? The information I post is a nasty insult to you only because you don't agree with it, and it disrupts your ability to lie to yourself and everyone else about how a diet "should be". > When have you ever posted encouragement or fact or anything worthwhile? Exponentially more than you have, Mr. Drink Apple Cider and anything and everything else that's not even close to being logical for a low carb diet. > All I ever see are insults from you. Do you disagree JC? Yes. >Just think, you started all this by calling me an idiot for making a typo! No, I called you an idiot because you're an idiot and you constantly post misinformation. > Do you thrive on these anonymous battles? You have so many. I hardly post in this newsgroup. Perhaps your inability you grasp the simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric deficit is. > >>> the time to read and post thousands of insults as you do? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric deficit > is. JK is right. I've been in this group for years. You contribute nothing positive, hurl insults and snide remarks for no reason, even to decent people with serious medical problems. You take every opportunity to start childish arguments, like you did with the typo that you used to start this one. No one here respects you. No one here chimes in to support you, but many frequently do take you to task for your obnoxious behavior. Any decent parent that had a child doing what you do would take internet access away from them. Like JK, I've never known anyone that took so much time to engage in this type of behavior that didn't have some kind of deep rooted psychological problems. BTW, don't bother trying to lure me into your pathetic world with another post, I won't respond. On Feb 23, 9:05 am, "jcderkoeing" <jcderkoe...@ibm.com> wrote: > "JK" <jksinrod*SP...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric deficit > is. JK is right. I've been in this group for years. You contribute nothing positive, hurl insults and snide remarks for no reason, even to decent people with serious medical problems. You take every opportunity to start childish arguments, like you did with the typo that you used to start this one. No one here respects you. No one here chimes in to support you, but many frequently do take you to task for your obnoxious behavior. Any decent parent that had a child doing what you do would take internet access away from them. Like JK, I've never known anyone that took so much time to engage in this type of behavior that didn't have some kind of deep rooted psychological problems. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You've been in this group for years posting misinformation about low carb dieting, and still haven't lost the fat that weighs you down. The last couple of years I've barely posted here, and still you hold a grudge about being taken to task for you idiotic postings. Lose some weight following a low carb diet, and then post about it, instead of merely posting what you think ought to work. Like most of your ilk, when you can't prove what you're writing is true, you try character assassination. On Feb 23, 9:05 am, "jcderkoeing" <jcderkoe...@ibm.com> wrote: > "JK" <jksinrod*SP...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric deficit > is. No one here respects you. That's not true. > <trad...@optonline.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yeah, there's an exception to every rule. Like the big bully in high school, there's always some pathetic girl that respects and loves him. Even serial killers like Charlie Manson have a few that respect them. I made my generalization based on the many regular positive contributors here over the years that have spoken out against his constant rude remarks and insults. Thanks for clearing up where you stand. On Feb 23, 11:53 am, "Tom G." <tgallan...@hotmail.com> wrote: > <trad...@optonline.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yeah, there's an exception to every rule. Like the big bully in high school, there's always some pathetic girl that respects and loves him. Even serial killers like Charlie Manson have a few that respect them. I made my generalization based on the many regular positive contributors here over the years that have spoken out against his constant rude remarks and insults. Thanks for clearing up where you stand. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, Chet, your revisionism is noted and most newsgroup members now won't know if you're a liar or not. You've been trying to make the same idiotic claims for over four years now, so is it that you think they finally have a chance to slide through? Try following a low carb diet for real, eat less, exercise more, and save you posturing for someone who cares. jcderkoeing wrote in message ... >Try following a low >carb diet for real, eat less, exercise more, and save you posturing for >someone who cares. Try snipping, or at least top post if you can't manage to do that. Cheri Thought you had me killfiled..... My bad. > jcderkoeing wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheri jcderkoeing wrote in message ... >Thought you had me killfiled..... My bad. You have me mixed up with someone else then. I never killfile anyone, but I don't always respond to posts from some posters, though I do read them all. :-) Cheri > jcderkoeing wrote in message ... >>Thought you had me killfiled..... My bad. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheri Cretins like JC actually keep lists of these kinds of things so a year later they can look to trip you up. It's what they live for. LOL SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com > I hardly post in this newsgroup. Perhaps your inability you grasp the > simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric deficit > is. Last response from me Einstein. You must be very lonely? This is/was never a debate about truth, justice, or LC vs anything else. I never recommended ACV, what I did was ask if anyone was doing it. My Phys Ed teacher pal told me to look into it. He's 65 and buff, so I respect his opinion. Try Googling it... very interesting stuff. You called me an idiot for making a typo, then you clarified it by calling me an idiot for being an idiot and posting misinformation. WHAT? Asking a question is now misinformation? You just keep back skating in pathetic attempts to make yourself look right. Here's your chance to admit you were wrong. Is that possible? I'm fit, happily married for 30 years, 3 children, business owner, MBA.... and posted asking my fellow LCers a question. Hardly an idiot in anyones book but yours JC. Am I still an idiot JC, or are you perhaps mistaken in your character assassination? SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com >> I hardly post in this newsgroup. Perhaps your inability you grasp the >> simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > question. Hardly an idiot in anyones book but yours JC. Am I still an > idiot JC, or are you perhaps mistaken in your character assassination? You're still an idiot. So drink your apple cider and stay that way. >>> I hardly post in this newsgroup. Perhaps your inability you grasp the >>> simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You're still an idiot. So drink your apple cider and stay that way. It's Apple Cider Vinegar, very very different JC. What an idiot you are to keep making the same mistake over and over again. Time for you to go back into your moms basement... PLONK... SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com >>>> I hardly post in this newsgroup. Perhaps your inability you grasp the >>>> simple act of counting is why you cannot understand what a caloric [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to keep making the same mistake over and over again. Time for you to go > back into your moms basement... PLONK... Go back to doing your arts and crafts, fatty. > ... My Phys Ed > teacher pal told me to look into it. He's 65 and buff, so I respect his > opinion. Try Googling it... very interesting stuff. In this particular case it's something harmless he thinks helps him. Chances are he does an assortment of health efforts with some effective some harmless. >> ... My Phys Ed >> teacher pal told me to look into it. He's 65 and buff, so I respect his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > him. Chances are he does an assortment of health efforts with > some effective some harmless. That's likely the case. Ok, everyone. I see certain characteristics of people that are dieting, or just trying to be healthy. It doesn't seem to matter whether they are new to all this, or a 350 lb 33 year veteran of low carb that thinks that because they read Atkins' book in '72, it makes them an expert. Somehow, they just don't "get it". If anyone is touting some kind of magic pill, product, food, tummysizer, metabolic advantage, trick or gimmick, they are telling you lies. Their interesting diversions keep you from your goals either through their own ignorance or profit. If you believe these lies, then you're an idiot, and you will not lose weight. There is some useful information out there, yet 10 times as much bull. The only reason people are offended by the truth, is that it shatters their delusions. Many people in real life, or on this board have never known what it feels like to be in good shape. When you have paid the price by hard work and proper eating, only then will you realize what the real truth is about weight loss and being healthy. No one needs to listen to dieting advise from a 300 lb person unless they can show they have actually lost the weight and can maintain it. Your knowledge of weightloss is evident by your waistline, and the number of pills you take to cover up the symptoms of your metabolic dysfunction. Reading all the articles and books out there will not help one iota. It is all about doing and living it. If you are stalled, or your efforts are not working, then you are doing something wrong. There is no easy way. There are a few people on this board that know the truth and have demonstrated their knowledge. They have my respect. They are also willing to pass on this knowledge if you will listen. If the truth bothers you, then go back and watch TV. I find myself posting less and less, because I can see that most people here do not want to hear the truth. They value pats on the back more than honesty. The secret to weightloss is, always has been, and always will be, "eat less and exercise more". It is a law like gravity. It may be circumvented temporarily, but eventually it always wins. >> ... My Phys Ed >> teacher pal told me to look into it. He's 65 and buff, so I respect his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > him. Chances are he does an assortment of health efforts with > some effective some harmless. Absolutely true Doug. But when someone I respect tells me to check something out, I do. I'm sure you do the same. Very often the most basic stuff works wonders for us, and this one, though foul smelling, is about as basic as you can get. SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com > >> ... My Phys Ed > >> teacher pal told me to look into it. He's 65 and buff, so I respect his [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com Yes, I agree. It's foolish to completely dismiss folk remedy cures. Many common foods have been shown to have medicinal benefits. Vinegar is well known as an effective treatment for nail fungus, often preforming much better than prescription meds with possibly dangerous side effects. Or cinnamon for helping to control blood sugar. Many drugs came from simple natural plant sources. If people dismissed the pain relieving properties of the willow tree, we may never have found aspirin. Now, as far as vinegar and LC or weight loss, I personally have not heard of any benefits. However, I'd certainly look at any credible reports. trader4@optonline.net wrote in message <28219678-b97a-49d8-af46- Now, as far as vinegar and LC or weight loss, I personally have not heard of any benefits. However, I'd certainly look at any credible reports. +++++++++++ Personally, I take a TBS a day of it with a little water and 1/8 tsp salt substitute mixed in. I have been doing that for a long time now. Couldn't hurt, might help, and I like the taste. Cheri > trad...@optonline.net wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cheri Uhm, why couldn't it hurt? Wouldn't a more rational approach be: Might help, probably won't hurt, and I like the taste. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's inherently safe and just because there aren't studies condemning it, doesn't mean that it doesn't have long term health consequences that are slow and not pleasant. Lacking any studies on it, it might actually be hurting weight loss. Who knows? Not I. One way or another. Not contributing any knowledge on ACV, just pointing out that "Couldn't hurt, might help" is a position of uncertainty on both counts, not only the help side. Hollywood wrote in message ... >> trad...@optonline.net wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >"Couldn't hurt, might help" is a position of uncertainty on both >counts, not only the help side. Well, in my long term study on myself...it hasn't hurt, and might have helped...I started taking it many years ago when I read in an old folk remedy book that it helps to prevent food poisoning. Does it? I wouldn't know, though I haven't had food poisoning. Also, how could it hurt? If you used it mixed with olive oil every day on a salad, do you think it would be harmful? I don't. YMMV Cheri > Hollywood wrote in message ... > >> trad...@optonline.net wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Cheri Here's the pathology.balance, vinegar being fairly acidic. In the day to day, and even year to year, no big deal. But the accumulated damage of say, 30-40 years of use could wear things out, by tipping a fairly acid environment (your digestive tract) into a more acidic one. If the 30-40 year pattern doesn't suit you, I can point you to type 2 diabetes, a disease generally earned through 30 years of systemic abuse. Again, it probably doesn't hurt and it might help. Couldn't is strong language in a world ruled by uncertainty. Hollywood wrote in message <28bb97a9-a7e7-4014-a2dd- >Here's the pathology.balance, vinegar being fairly acidic. >In the day to day, and even year to year, no big deal. But [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Again, it probably doesn't hurt and it might help. Couldn't >is strong language in a world ruled by uncertainty. If you're afraid of your salad dressing, that's up to you, but at my age, I am not the least bit concerned with a 30-40 year pattern that "could" do this or that, since so very many things "could" do this or that over that time span. My best advice to you is...don't use it if you don't want to, but for me, I'll continue to use it because...I believe it couldn't hurt, might help.Take care. Cheri > trader4@optonline.net wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cheri Finally someone using the stuff! My friend has been doing this every day for 8 years and swears it helps him not get colds or flu, controls BP and cholesterol, and helps keep him trim. He's really not a nutty guy, so I'm wondering outloud if it may have some merit? SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com > Finally someone using the stuff! My friend has been doing this every day >for 8 years and swears it helps him not get colds or flu, controls BP and >cholesterol, and helps keep him trim. He's really not a nutty guy, so I'm >wondering outloud if it may have some merit? I don't have any real data on it or anything, but years ago there was a book about folk remedies that had so many uses for it, and the food poisoning prevention intrigued me, so I started using it every day. In the summer, I do like it in water with a packet of equal and ice added. May be an acquired taste though. :-) Cheri > I hardly post in this newsgroup. Perhaps your inability you grasp.... What? a grammatical error JC? Or perhaps a typo? Geez it almost would make someone that didn't know better call you an idiot! LOL SignatureJK Sinrod www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com >> Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our >> WOE? > > Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? my nutritionist recommends this as a means to promote weight loss, cut down on cholesterol and help prevent artery plaque buildup. its effectiveness, i do not know. i do not really like the taste of it, to be honest, but did recently ordered supplements that contain apple cider vinegar. everything i found on it is holistic based. check out these links: http://www.healthmad.com/Alternative/Benefits-of-Apple-Cider-Vinegar.12778 http://www.anyvitamins.com/apple-cider-vinegar-info.htm http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar.html hope that helps. i bought my doses here: http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=AH-1141 > my nutritionist recommends this as a means to promote weight loss, cut > down on cholesterol and help prevent artery plaque buildup. its > effectiveness, i do not know. i do not really like the taste of it, to > be honest, but did recently ordered supplements that contain apple > cider vinegar. everything i found on it is holistic based. check out > these links: It's an f'n miracle. Let's all ingest apple cider vinegar and we'll all be thin as pencils come spring. Marsha >> my nutritionist recommends this as a means to promote weight loss, cut >> down on cholesterol and help prevent artery plaque buildup. its [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Marsha geez, tough crowd. i dont write the info, just providing links to let you decide. WTMf'nKF marsha marsha marsha. xoxo >>> my nutritionist recommends this as a means to promote weight loss, cut >>> down on cholesterol and help prevent artery plaque buildup. its [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > xoxo Vinegar drinking has long been one of the marks of "health nuts". I remember being badgered about it in the late 1960's. Please don't think that this is new. If it tastes bad, it is good for you. > > Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our > > WOE? > > Seriously... no one's taking a daily does to cure all ills? I wasn't kidding about the ribs. You soak em in the stuff for a couple hours. Then you dry rub them and let em sit for a couple more hours in the fridge. Fire up the grill, sit em in the rib rack, and that will cure what ails ya. As long as what ails ya is a hunger for some quality dry rub ribs. As to health solution, not really. I couldn't see drinking it. I'd rather drink balsamic. More expensive, but very tasty. > Anyone have anything good to say about this cure all, as related to our > WOE? Vinegar, or any acidity, slows digestion and blunts the impact of carbs by spreading the effect over a longer period of time. Any benefit from vinegar is probably the result of lessening the spikes of high-glycemic carbs. |
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