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Water crucial, but not filling FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008 You can stop chugging. Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on how much you consume. According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories. Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of water before you eat. Another thing water doesn't do: speed up your metabolism. Water's effect on metabolism is so minimal -- 10 to 15 calories max -- it works out to less than a pound a year. But for anti-aging, drink up: Lines on your face don't show as much when you're hydrated because water fills cells to give the skin a more supple appearance. To detect dehydration, pinch the skin on the back of your hand. If you are hydrated, the skin will spring right back. If it stays puckered, it's a sign of dehydration -- meaning you don't have enough water in your body to carry out normal functions. So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and no-sugar-added juices. And the more you exercise, the more fluid you'll need to keep your body hydrated. Find this article at: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/FEATURES08/802190401 > Water crucial, but not filling > FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008 > > You can stop chugging. Yes, please stop chugging. It's so stupid and it doesn't help anyone but the bottled water companies! > Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on > how much you consume. Food, right? :) > According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich > foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of > water before you eat. Really? This is one I've never understood. > Another thing water doesn't do: speed up your metabolism. Water's > effect on metabolism is so minimal -- 10 to 15 calories max -- it works > out > to less than a pound a year. Yeah, why would it since it just flows right through, mostly. > But for anti-aging, drink up: Lines on your face don't show as much > when you're hydrated because water fills cells to give the skin a more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sign of dehydration -- meaning you don't have enough water in your body to > carry out normal functions. That's interesting. > So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per > day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about > eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and > no-sugar-added juices. What, no coffee? Coffee is mostly water last time I checked. I bet they hate coffee, huh? > And the more you exercise, the more fluid you'll need to keep your > body hydrated. These kinds of statements serve to keep people chugging. Just listen to your body. Satisfy your thirst! > Find this article at: > > http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/FEATURES08/802190401 >> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty >> rapidly. Still, it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we >> recommend having a glass of water before you eat. > Really? This is one I've never understood. Me either; I don't think thirst and hunger are anything alike. I drink about a gallon of water a day, and it doesn't make me any less hungry. If anything, when I'm drinking a lot of water, the speed with which it goes through me makes me feel sort of "washed out" and hungrier than when I drink less.  SignatureAaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz >> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, >> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of >> water before you eat. > >Really? This is one I've never understood. I definitely recognized that confusion when I low carbed. SUddenly I was thirsty, specifically thirsty. I was drinking more than before. I've become conscious that I sometimes eat instead of drink, because I can't tell the difference between hunger for food and thirst that needs to be quenched. The body does extract water from food, and will be aggressive about the extraction if you are dehydrated. That aggressiveness results in constipation. If I have coffee in the morning, I will have no hunger till lunchtime. If I skip coffee, I can be very hungry by 9-10 AM. >> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per >> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about >> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and >> no-sugar-added juices. Again there is that magic 8 glasses. I've yet to see any scientific justification for that magic number. It has been around for 20 years now but I've neer heard the science of why the body needs to drink a half-gallon (if you assume small 8oz glasses). I imagine there might be some back-calulation based upon moisture breathed out, but I wouldn't think it accounts for 4 lbs of water + peeing out what moisture is in food we eat.. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/288/225 month-start: 292 monthly-goal: 8 since: 12/01/2004 Low Carb started Jan 12, 2004. >>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, >>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >If I have coffee in the morning, I will have no hunger till lunchtime. >If I skip coffee, I can be very hungry by 9-10 AM. I'm with you on this. I find it easy to confuse hunger and thirst, although if you asked me to explain that, I doubt that I could put it into words. I also find that, for some reason, my thirst level is a LOT higher since I've been eating low carb. I don't know if there's some reason for that. >>> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per >>> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >wouldn't think it accounts for 4 lbs of water + peeing out what >moisture is in food we eat. I also see, add another glass for every 25 lbs you're over goal weight, and I have NO idea what the logic of that is, either, although it does of course make some kind of sense that the bigger you are, the more hydration you need. > I'm with you on this. I find it easy to confuse hunger and thirst, > although if you asked me to explain that, I doubt that I could put it > into words. I also find that, for some reason, my thirst level is a > LOT higher since I've been eating low carb. I don't know if there's > some reason for that. A layperson's (me) guess is that you're not holding so much water anymore. Think about that initial weight loss on LC as your body dumps the liver glycogen and the associated water. Maybe you go through water faster on the LC. Would make sense with the Eades and Atkins recommendations to drink until you float. Hasn't been a problem for me on LC, ever. >> I'm with you on this. I find it easy to confuse hunger and thirst, >> although if you asked me to explain that, I doubt that I could put it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Eades and Atkins recommendations to drink until you float. Hasn't >been a problem for me on LC, ever. I like water, so it seems, all in all, like a good thing to me... but my poor husband who has been recently waking up about 5 times during the night needing to, well, shed excess water.... he's not very happy about it! >>>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, >>>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > it does of course make some kind of sense that the bigger you are, the > more hydration you need. Then, wouldn't it follow if that if I were a "Little Person", say an adult about 3' 8" high, and pretty far down in weight, then I should subtract some glasses of water from the magic "8" glasses? Then, wouldn't it follow that since large people should drink more, and little people should drink less, then we ought to quit passing about the BS about the "MAGIC 8" glasses as being universal or meaningful? In the end, we certainly should drink what we need, but at least differently sized people need different amounts. People who work and sweat should also drink more. People who sweat should drink more. Stop with this "Magic 8" glasses. It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and discredited nearly universally by those with formal training in brain science. Humans will find amazing logical "wisdom" where none exists. We are programmed to desire explanations so strongly that we will make up almost anything to satisfy that need. >>>>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, >>>>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >programmed to desire explanations so strongly that we will make up >almost anything to satisfy that need. I have to say that what really bugs me more than anything else is the assumption that all these magic formulas are linear. 25 lbs=8 oz more water, no matter how much more you weigh, etc. Same thing with calories, same thing with protein, etc. I *seriously* doubt that it really works this way, even if there is a direct and measurable relationship. But it's oh so easy to find a formula that works for the average, and incorrectly extrapolate that up or down. >>>>>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, >>>>>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > relationship. But it's oh so easy to find a formula that works for > the average, and incorrectly extrapolate that up or down. I hope you didn't think I was attacking you. Actually, from your response, it doesn't appear you took it that way at all. >>>>>>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, >>>>>>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >I hope you didn't think I was attacking you. Actually, from your >response, it doesn't appear you took it that way at all. No, not at all! :-) >It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our >brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and >discredited nearly universally by those with formal training in brain >science. I believe that one was originally "We only know what 10% of the brain is actually doing." That was based on traumatic injuries to the brain that still left people alive - but missing some specific brain function. Probably that 10% figure was true - 100 years or so ago. It got misinterpretted to be "We only use 10% of our brain." Once they got better diagnostic tools they were able to figure out what the other brain parts were actually involved in - and without damaging the brain to do it. With MRIs and CAT and PET scans and other modern tools they could give a subject stimuli (images, words, music, odors and so on) and map where brain activity suddenly increased. But the old myth lingers. >> It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our >> brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > music, odors and so on) and map where brain activity suddenly > increased. But the old myth lingers. Sounds quite credible. The version I used to hear had it that the 10% phrase was traced to some advertising claim or other, and had no real basis behind it. But, whatever the origin, it caught on and became endlessly repeated, and lives even today in the minds of men and women who should be smart enough not to buy into it. >Humans will find amazing logical "wisdom" where none exists. We are >programmed to desire explanations so strongly that we will make up >almost anything to satisfy that need. Absolutely, and universally true. Its why humanity has spent ten thousand years making up gods and industries around those gods to worship at their feet. People are even willing to murder and die for those made up gods. We will believe anything and kill to protect those imagined beliefs. That's why it's so hard to get people to STOP believing untruths. We desperate like to cling to whatever we were first told. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/299/225 month-start: 295 monthly-goal: 10 since: 12/01/2004 Low Carb started Jan 12, 2004. We hadn't had a "How Much Water to Drink" posting in a while. I was about to ask why not, and then this one comes along. I was thirsty for information on being thirsty and drinking water. Thanks. Won't need yet another drinking water post for a couple of months, now. Amazing how this water stuff just keeps bubbling to the top every few weeks. Now we can revert to an old position of "drink when thirsty , but don't guzzle for the sake of sacred quantity." Just wait. Someone will want to change it in a few months. "Eat, Drink, and be worried about doing it wrong." > Water crucial, but not filling > FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Find this article at: > http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/FEATURES08/802190401 > Water crucial, but not filling > FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they > are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories. Another nicely worded statement that appears to contradict itself in two sentences. > Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still, > it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > ` > end >> Water crucial, but not filling >> FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Another nicely worded statement that appears to contradict itself in >two sentences. I thought maybe it was me. The whole point of the article is refuted by the third sentence. Have to remember that Journalism is about writing the news-not communicating information. News is news, it doesn't need inform. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/288/225 month-start: 292 monthly-goal: 8 since: 12/01/2004 Low Carb started Jan 12, 2004. |
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