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The much dreaded Plateau From Hell!

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Becca - 09 Mar 2008 22:22 GMT
Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks.  Three weeks!!! I watch my
diet, I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since
September. I am eating 25 grams of carbs per day.  I was losing 7-8
pounds a month, until now.  It looks like I am facing the much dreaded
PLATEAU FROM HELL (aka PFH)!

Is there a cure for the PFH?  Do we know what causes it?  Has this
happened to anyone else?

Becca
jcderkoeing - 09 Mar 2008 22:54 GMT
Try eating less and doing some exercise.

> Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks.  Three weeks!!! I watch my diet,
> I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since September.
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>
> Becca
teranews - 09 Mar 2008 23:44 GMT
> Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks.  Three weeks!!! I watch my diet,
> I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since September.
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>
> Becca

Hi Becca,

Yes it has, and water was the cure.

I'd try drinking more water. I hate plain water so I drink the Supermarket
own brand zero carb flavoured still water (. I can easliy drink a few pints
of this per day.  I find when I reach a plateau, it's because I'm not
drinking as much as usual. Drink more water and the weight drops off. I keep
water in the fridge, because I read that the body has to heat water to body
temperate before processing, and this burns calories. I've no idea if that's
true, but chilled flavoured water is what I drink now. Give it a try !
--
HTH
Rich
http://www.richdavies.com/low-carb-diet.htm

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amyotte - 10 Mar 2008 01:27 GMT
Hey Becca

Where are you on your weight loss journey?  Post some numbers.

The PFH can hit but when I went thru these my body changed without the
scales telling me so.

Your body maybe adjusting, how do clothes fit? - same, tighter, loser?

Don't look too much at numbers.

Brian
222/185/185 since Jan07

> Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks.  Three weeks!!! I watch my diet,
> I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since September.
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>
> Becca

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trader4@optonline.net - 10 Mar 2008 13:17 GMT
> Hey Becca
>
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> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

How much are you eating, ie what size portions?   Calories do matter
at some point.  When you have a lot to lose, typically you can eat
larger portions and lose weight.   As you drop weight, you may not be
able to eat as much to continue to lose weight.   Remember, the idea
is to eat just enough so your no longer hungry.

Atkins said aspartame and caffeine can inhibit weight loss in some
people.   Many of us here havent' found them to be a problem.
However, if your having difficulty, you might want to try cutting them
out temporarily.

Also, you haven't really met the definition of a stall, at least as
defined by Atkins.   He defined it as a month with no weight loss and
no inchs lost either.

Excercise always helps.
msmollie@telus.net - 10 Mar 2008 22:17 GMT
> Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks.  Three weeks!!! I watch my
> diet, I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since
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>
> Becca

hello becca,
just browsing the blog spot and saw your PFH!!:)  So quick answer to
your question.... my Mom went to a weight loss program and they told
her that when she plateaus, she should go on an apple day.  Just
apples all day for 1 day only.  Cant remember the reason why it was
supppose to work.  Don't forget your lemon juice from concentrate.
This helps to clean out your system..  I'm no pro... just relayin some
info that helped her out.  Best wishes in your (hopefully healthy)
weight loss program
jcderkoeing - 10 Mar 2008 23:19 GMT
On Mar 9, 2:22 pm, Becca <beccaNos...@hal-pc.organ> wrote:
> Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks. Three weeks!!! I watch my
> diet, I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since
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>
> Becca

>hello becca,
>just browsing the blog spot and saw your PFH!!:)  So quick answer to
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>info that helped her out.  Best wishes in your (hopefully healthy)
>weight loss program

Apples aren't low carb.

Idiot.

HTH
Carmen - 11 Mar 2008 14:51 GMT
> Apples aren't low carb.
>
> Idiot.
>
> HTH

Still your regular cheery self I see.  <G>

Still teaching?

Carmen
jcderkoeing - 12 Mar 2008 02:28 GMT
>> Apples aren't low carb.
>>
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>
> Still your regular cheery self I see.  <G>

It takes practice.

> Still teaching?

In between all the federal and state mandates I still find some time for
teaching, yes.
Becca - 11 Mar 2008 02:35 GMT
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!  Like someone said, Atkins does
not consider it a stall until it has lasted for 1 month.

For now, I will drink more water, maybe adding a little lemon juice, and
I will monitor my intake more closely.  I am caffeine free, but I do use
aspartame and Splenda, so maybe I should stop using aspartame for a few
weeks and see what happens.

My LC diet will continue, I will not give up because the scales are not
moving. In time, they will move, I am certain of that. I refuse to quit!

My mother always said I was heard headed. She was right.  LOL

Thanks to everyone, it is nice to know there are people out there who
have been through this.  It sucks to feel like you are alone.  You
people are the greatest.

Becca
Carmen - 11 Mar 2008 18:43 GMT
> Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!  Like someone said, Atkins does
> not consider it a stall until it has lasted for 1 month.
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> been through this.  It sucks to feel like you are alone.  You people are
> the greatest.

Hi Becca.  I'll add my two cents in here.  Been doing this since January of
'99, lost my weight, blah, blah, blah.  Still doing lowcarb.  It keeps me
from being fat and it keeps my blood sugar in check.
The one lesson that is more important than any other (IMO) is this:
Calories still count

Lowcarbing (Atkins style) starts out with a "luxurious eating" plan that
involves steaks and mayo and cheese.  It is fantastic for easing the person
onto the new way of eating.  It staves off hunger and helps ward off the
feelings of deprivation.  There comes a point when calories will have to be
addressed though.  It's easier to just learn that from the start rather than
later when you may feel betrayed or mislead in some way.  Atkins does not
mislead people about calories, it was mentioned, but he never made a big
point of it.

Keep half an eye on your caloric intake while enjoying your food.

Take care,
Carmen
wifezilla@gmail.com - 12 Mar 2008 00:08 GMT
I went for almost 5 months without losing a pound. It still wasn't
technically a "stall" because I was still losing inches. Now I am
losing again. I never gave up.

PATIENCE!!! Low carb isn't JUST about weight loss. It is about
health.

Measure yourself to see if you are losing inches. Increasing water
intake is good too. How much cheese and cream are you eating? That is
a common stall culprit.
Becca - 19 Mar 2008 01:56 GMT
> I went for almost 5 months without losing a pound. It still wasn't
> technically a "stall" because I was still losing inches. Now I am
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> intake is good too. How much cheese and cream are you eating? That is
> a common stall culprit.

Congratulations on losing again, and thanks for reminding me, that this
diet is about health. I sometimes forget that. LOL

Becca
Marengo - 14 Mar 2008 01:39 GMT
>> Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!  Like someone said, Atkins does
>> not consider it a stall until it has lasted for 1 month.
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>Take care,
>Carmen

Hi Carmen, long time no see!

Let me add a big "Amen!" to what you just said.  I've also found that
yes, the laws of Physics apply to low carb also, and calories do
indeed still count.  That's why I eat more unsaturated, less dense
fats.  Even if it's OK on the cholesterol, as many say,  to eat the
fat on the steaks, the piles of pork rinds, the piles of cheesecakes,
the heavy cream and everything in between saturated with butter -
those dense calories in all those saturated fats will catch up sooner
or later.  

I finally had to break away from Atkins after a few years now of
swearing by the plan and having too many ups and downs (YMMV) and
based on my own experiences  have come up with my own hybrid
controlled-carb plan ... and it turned out remarkably similar to South
Beach.  I eat no simple starches or sugar at all, but I find that
eating plenty low glycemic fruits and vegetables, and occasional
(gasp!*) high-fiber whole grains, combined with overall controlled
carb and reduced saturated fats has kept me losing steadily for the
past five months with no stalls or plateaus.  50 pounds now dropped
since October 25th.  Those calories do, indeed, count.

---
Peter
270/220/180
Marengo - 14 Mar 2008 01:39 GMT
>>> Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!  Like someone said, Atkins does
>>> not consider it a stall until it has lasted for 1 month.
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>Peter
>270/220/180

p.s.  For JC:  Yes, I am exercising also.  I started a new round of
physical therapy a couple of months ago for old residual effects of a
stroke 10 years ago, and I do 1 hour every evening of stretches and
light eight-bearing exercises.  I'm sure that has played a role in my
steady weight loss also.  I'm eating less ... and yes, exercising.  
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Peter
270/220/180
jcderkoeing - 14 Mar 2008 02:49 GMT
> p.s.  For JC:    I'm eating less ... and yes, exercising.

Seems quite sensical.  I hope it works out for you.
Becca - 19 Mar 2008 01:55 GMT
> Hi Becca.  I'll add my two cents in here.  Been doing this since January of
> '99, lost my weight, blah, blah, blah.  Still doing lowcarb.  It keeps me
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> Take care,
> Carmen

You offered some great advice, Carmen, thanks.  I will keep my eyes on
the calories, as well as the carbs.

I get on the scales every Sunday morning and I write my weight down on a
calendar.  I have a hard time staying away from the scales, so it was
depressing going 3 weeks without losing a pound.  Two days after I
posted that "plateau from hell" message, I lost 5 pounds. Whew, that
made me feel better. I just lost another pound, which surprised me
because I am taking prednisone.

Thanks Carmen, and like you said: Calories do count.

Becca
Doug Freyburger - 19 Mar 2008 16:21 GMT
> You offered some great advice, Carmen, thanks.  I will keep my eyes on
> the calories, as well as the carbs.

This is an often neglected part of the plan, but it is a
part of the Atkins approach.  It's written in terms of
controlling portions rather than counting calories but
that's only a matter of how detailed you want to be.
Checking size of portions controls calories:

http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/the-rules-of-induction/

"5.    Adjust the quantity you eat to suit your appetite,
especially as it decreases.  When you're hungry, eat the
amount that makes you feel satisfied, but not stuffed."

That's the portion control part.

"When you're not hungry, eat a small controlled carbohydrate
snack to accompany your nutritional supplements."

That's the part that boils down to "An ounce of prevention
is worth a pound of cure" - Treat food as a tool that can
prevent hunger, but remember to adjust the portions.

> I get on the scales every Sunday morning and I write my weight down on a
> calendar.  I have a hard time staying away from the scales, so it was
> depressing going 3 weeks without losing a pound.

And you needed reminding what a stall is and that you
weren't stalled.  I doubt there's been a dieter in history
comfortable with how Atkins defines a stall but his
definition was carefully chosen and is not arbitrary.

> Two days after I
> posted that "plateau from hell" message, I lost 5 pounds.

Woosh.  That's a big one.

> Whew, that
> made me feel better. I just lost another pound, which surprised me
> because I am taking prednisone.

Prednisone wrecks havoc with metabolism but when you
need it the stuff is amazing.
Becca - 29 Mar 2008 16:23 GMT
>> You offered some great advice, Carmen, thanks.  I will keep my eyes on
>> the calories, as well as the carbs.
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> Prednisone wrecks havoc with metabolism but when you
> need it the stuff is amazing.

Thanks for your comments, I do appreciate it.

Becca
Cälëope~ - 12 Mar 2008 03:18 GMT
> Okay, I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks.  Three weeks!!! I watch my diet,
> I count each little carb, and I have not changed my diet since September.
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>
> Becca

Yes. It happened to me after losing almost 50lbs. That was over a year ago
and I tried everything. I haven't lost a lb since. It's very discouraging
since I still have 30 lbs to go.
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Marengo - 14 Mar 2008 01:45 GMT
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>
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>and I tried everything. I haven't lost a lb since. It's very discouraging
>since I still have 30 lbs to go.

Are you recording what you are eating using something like FitDay
software?  It makes a huge differenct for me.  I wouldn't have
believed how much  I was actually eating every day until I started
recording every single thing, no matter how small, that I put in my
mouth.  I attribute my ongoing success to this more than anything. You
may be able to see where you need to cut back if you're not already
doing it.  As Carmen mentioned, calories *do* count also.  
---
Peter
270/220/180
Becca - 19 Mar 2008 02:01 GMT
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
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> ago and I tried everything. I haven't lost a lb since. It's very
> discouraging since I still have 30 lbs to go.

You lost 50 lbs, that is great.  I hope you can still lose those last 30
pounds.  They tell me that exercise helps, but I was not losing weight
through exercise alone. I will spare you the details, but I exercised
and lifted weights quite a bit.  I could do aerobics for a couple of
hours a day, and I would do more if time allowed. I would much rather
exercise than diet, but my personal trainer told me that 85-90% of all
weight loss is through diet alone, and not exercise.  That was a real
bummer to hear. LOL

Becca
readandpostrosie - 13 Mar 2008 16:20 GMT
great thread becca!
"a stall" if another great reason, to measure yourself by a tight fitting
pair of NON-STRETCH jeans.
the likely thing happening is that you are losing inches.
carmen's suggestion about watching calories is VERY important!

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Becca - 19 Mar 2008 02:04 GMT
> great thread becca!
> "a stall" if another great reason, to measure yourself by a tight fitting
> pair of NON-STRETCH jeans.
> the likely thing happening is that you are losing inches.
> carmen's suggestion about watching calories is VERY important!

Thanks for the advice, I do appreciate it.

Becca
 
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