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Leg Cramps & Low Carb
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DRA - 14 Mar 2008 14:08 GMT Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any suggestions?
Don
Cookie Cutter - 14 Mar 2008 14:16 GMT > Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, > and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any > suggestions? Low carb is a natural diuretic. Do you take diuretics or blood pressure medicene? You may be losing too much potassium.
DRA - 14 Mar 2008 14:29 GMT I do have bp and take meds. I am taking potassium supplements...maybe I need to up the dose.
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>> Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of >> water, and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any >> suggestions? > > Low carb is a natural diuretic. Do you take diuretics or blood pressure > medicene? You may be losing too much potassium. Ken Kubos - 14 Mar 2008 15:21 GMT I have cramps and I ingested a salt (KCL) substitute and it did NOT work for me.
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|I do have bp and take meds. I am taking potassium supplements...maybe I | need to up the dose. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | > Low carb is a natural diuretic. Do you take diuretics or blood pressure | > medicene? You may be losing too much potassium. Doug Freyburger - 14 Mar 2008 16:45 GMT > I do have bp and take meds. I am taking potassium supplements...maybe I > need to up the dose. How new are you to low carb? Low carbing handles blood pressure in very many people so maybe you'll be able to reduce your dose of the pills. Work with your doctor on it of course and never stop on your own, but do get your bp checked and see if it's time to adjust.
Cramps often stop after the first couple of weeks with or without calcium or potassium supplementation. The diuretic effect is the water loss from dropping stored carbs - The body stores carbs dissolved in water so once out of stored carbs, that's all the water loss that will happen and calcium/potassium loss drops down to small levels again. So if you're in your first two weeks a simple strategy is to notice when the calendar says four weeks and it won't be happening any more.
Aaron Baugher - 17 Mar 2008 18:07 GMT > I do have bp and take meds. I am taking potassium supplements...maybe > I need to up the dose. I rarely say this, but check with your doctor first. Some heart medications cause potassium retention, so taking more could be a bad thing.
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Pramesh Rutaji - 14 Mar 2008 16:44 GMT > Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, > and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any > suggestions? > > Don magnesium potassium
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em - 14 Mar 2008 16:48 GMT > Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, > and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any > suggestions? > > Don I used to have that problem when low-carbing, not just in the legs but in the chest and stomach too. I've had some *nasty* cramps.
Potassium is critical to your body, you can die if you aren't striking a reasonable balance. Don't just try to supplement. Go to a doctor and look into the problem. Take a blood test and see. If you need potassium suppliemnts, you need it in a prescription size dose, not what you would find on the store shelf.
Forget the low-salt, do you know how much of that stuff you'd have to eat to get a full days dosage? Even then, no guarantees that your body would either absorb or hold onto long enough (if potassium even is the problem.)
That being said, I had blood work done my potassium levels where fine. I took quinine pills for a while and that helped. After a while the problem cleared up on its own. Some people say that Vitamin E helps -- I never tried that.
Since you're concerned about missing something nutrition-wise from your diet, and suspect that is why you are having cramps, I'd be interested in seeing what you typically eat over the period of a couple days. Could you post that, please?
Mike
DRA - 14 Mar 2008 21:15 GMT A typical day:
BK: Bacon, eggs, lc tortilla, coffee
Snack 1: Unsalted almonds or leftover breakfast
LN: Chicken or beef, cabbage or spinach, olive oil used
Snack 2: almonds or leftover lunch, cantaloupe or berries if I have them.
Dinner: Steak and more steak, two-three servings of lc veggies.
Before Bed: glass of lc milk
Supplements: potent multi, C, b-complex, potassium, calcium / mag.
Started Feb 1 at 371 lbs., now at 335 lbs. @ 53 yrs.
Exercise 20+ games of bowling a week, combat hapkido 2 times week, kickboxing 2-3 week.
On Mar 14, 6:08 am, "DRA" <damac...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, > and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any > suggestions? > > Don I used to have that problem when low-carbing, not just in the legs but in the chest and stomach too. I've had some *nasty* cramps.
Potassium is critical to your body, you can die if you aren't striking a reasonable balance. Don't just try to supplement. Go to a doctor and look into the problem. Take a blood test and see. If you need potassium suppliemnts, you need it in a prescription size dose, not what you would find on the store shelf.
Forget the low-salt, do you know how much of that stuff you'd have to eat to get a full days dosage? Even then, no guarantees that your body would either absorb or hold onto long enough (if potassium even is the problem.)
That being said, I had blood work done my potassium levels where fine. I took quinine pills for a while and that helped. After a while the problem cleared up on its own. Some people say that Vitamin E helps -- I never tried that.
Since you're concerned about missing something nutrition-wise from your diet, and suspect that is why you are having cramps, I'd be interested in seeing what you typically eat over the period of a couple days. Could you post that, please?
Mike
Doug Freyburger - 14 Mar 2008 22:21 GMT > A typical day: > BK: Bacon, eggs, lc tortilla, coffee Grain so you're not on an equivalent of Atkins Induction.
> Snack 1: Unsalted almonds or leftover breakfast > LN: Chicken or beef, cabbage or spinach, olive oil used > Snack 2: almonds or leftover lunch, cantaloupe or berries if I have them. > Dinner: Steak and more steak, two-three servings of lc veggies. > Before Bed: glass of lc milk > Supplements: potent multi, C, b-complex, potassium, calcium / mag. Note that potassium tablets are limited to 99mg because of interactions with specific diruetic BP meds. You want to check yours with a pharmacist and after that consider that 99mg is so tiny it's not worth taking those tablets. A half teaspoon of lite salt sprinkled on dinner makes up for many of them.
Quite low in carbs but you've started recently so may as well be quite low at this point. Very good food and supplements overall.
> Started Feb 1 at 371 lbs., now at 335 lbs. @ 53 yrs. 36 pounds in 6 weeks. That's the sort of warp speed that gets its own Star Trek episode. Have you turned into a tadpole?
Going by calories it's easy to figure that loss of fat at a rate greater than 2 per week isn't ever going to be a matter of calories. Figuring you're currently losing fat at 3 per pound because of how the hormones work and it isn't about calories, that still gives almost 20 pounds of water lost. That's a lot and it would have included minerals - The water in blood is like seawater.
If you lost 18-20 pounds of water would it take 6 weeks to catch up? I have no idea.
> Exercise 20+ games of bowling a week, combat hapkido 2 times week, > kickboxing 2-3 week. Excellent.
DRA - 15 Mar 2008 03:53 GMT Tried the induction, and literally would zone out on 20 grams a day. So, I moved up to net 40 or so and all was well. I found my key is some grain and some fruit. This helps curb my severe sugar / gluten cravings. I follow the older Protein Power program from Dr. Mead.
I was a completive power lifter, and got hurt. So I guess the muscle is helping my metabolism thus helping me loose the weight at a fast pace. In the next few weeks, I will be able to ever so gingerly begin weight training again.
Thanks for the information...working hard to live longer.
"DRA" <damac...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> A typical day: > BK: Bacon, eggs, lc tortilla, coffee Grain so you're not on an equivalent of Atkins Induction.
> Snack 1: Unsalted almonds or leftover breakfast > LN: Chicken or beef, cabbage or spinach, olive oil used > Snack 2: almonds or leftover lunch, cantaloupe or berries if I have them. > Dinner: Steak and more steak, two-three servings of lc veggies. > Before Bed: glass of lc milk > Supplements: potent multi, C, b-complex, potassium, calcium / mag. Note that potassium tablets are limited to 99mg because of interactions with specific diruetic BP meds. You want to check yours with a pharmacist and after that consider that 99mg is so tiny it's not worth taking those tablets. A half teaspoon of lite salt sprinkled on dinner makes up for many of them.
Quite low in carbs but you've started recently so may as well be quite low at this point. Very good food and supplements overall.
> Started Feb 1 at 371 lbs., now at 335 lbs. @ 53 yrs. 36 pounds in 6 weeks. That's the sort of warp speed that gets its own Star Trek episode. Have you turned into a tadpole?
Going by calories it's easy to figure that loss of fat at a rate greater than 2 per week isn't ever going to be a matter of calories. Figuring you're currently losing fat at 3 per pound because of how the hormones work and it isn't about calories, that still gives almost 20 pounds of water lost. That's a lot and it would have included minerals - The water in blood is like seawater.
If you lost 18-20 pounds of water would it take 6 weeks to catch up? I have no idea.
> Exercise 20+ games of bowling a week, combat hapkido 2 times week, > kickboxing 2-3 week. Excellent.
Pramesh Rutaji - 15 Mar 2008 04:36 GMT >> A typical day: >> BK: Bacon, eggs, lc tortilla, coffee
>> Supplements: potent multi, C, b-complex, potassium, calcium / mag. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A half teaspoon of lite salt sprinkled on dinner makes up > for many of them. I take get about 3 grams of potassium a day from taking 30 of these small dosage pills. I used to take potassium citrate in a prescription formulation for kidney stone prevention, 60 meq a day. Unfortunately, it wasn't clear how much potassium I was getting. 1 meq of potassium citrate is how much potassium citrate in mg? And potassium citrate is about 1/3 potassium. In any case, the price for a prescription versed over the counter is astronomical.
Another choice I've seen is the use of water softener salts, a particular kind that will provides the potassium desired at a really really cheap price. One can get a 50 lb bag to last ages.
Maximum daily amount of potassium is somewhere at around 17-21 grams depending on who you believe. The cave man diet provided round 11 grams a day.
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Harold Groot - 15 Mar 2008 04:02 GMT >Does anyone else suffer from leg cramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, >and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any >suggestions? >Don As you've seen from other responses, there are several things that you can try. Some people get better results from one thing, others from something else.
For ME the critical thing seems to be magnesium. Try 500 mg/day of magnesium oxide (a cheap form) and see if that helps. If that's also the critical thing for YOU, it should stop the cramps within a day, or maybe two days if you're very depleted.
You mentioned taking Potassium - but you don't mention the dose you're taking. In the USA, the non-prescription supplements are limited to 99 mg of elemental potassium. If it has a large number like "650 mg potassium carbonate" that gets you 99 mg potassium and 551 mg carbonate". The recommended daily allowance of potassium is roughly 3000-3500 mg, so just taking a couple of 99 mg pills won't do you very much good. Using Lite Salt (half KCl, half NaCl) or even better Salt Substitute (entirely KCl) in your cooking/on your dinner table is a fast and cheap way to significantly boost your potassium. Some people don't like the taste (most complaints are of a "metallic" taste) while others have no problems with it. I find it has a slighly different "warmth" or "mouth feel" but the taste is just fine for me. You can also ask your doctor about precription-strength potassium supplements (Slo-K 800, for example, gives you 800 mg per pill in a time-release formula and you might take up to 3/day.) You need to watch out for drug interactions, though. If you are taking "potassium sparing" blood pressure medications this is especially important. Note also that replacing the sodium found in normal table salt with the potassium in the salt substitutes can also lower blood pressure in some people all by itself. Not everyone is sodium sensitive, but a significant number of people are. This is just another point where each person needs to find out how THEIR body responds.
As others have mentioned, extra calcium helps some people and quinine helps some people. Calcium can reduce the body's ability to absorb some medications and nutrients so as a default (i.e. until you've researched it) you should take other medicines or supplements a couple of hours apart from when you take calcium. A doctor or pharmacist can help tell you if anything you take would be affected by the calcium.
Noel O'Gara - 20 Mar 2008 00:35 GMT > Does anyone else suffer fromlegcramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, > and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any > suggestions? > > Don hey Don forget all that bull about pottassium and salt and just get this. Here is a simple cure for cramp in the leg calf. When you feel it coming on, (I normally get a second or two warning before it hits home) push your legs straight down if lying in bed and cock your toes up towards your face as hard as you can. Hold this rigid position for several seconds and then relax. You must think quickly to react as I have stated but it always works and the cramp pain is avoided. Often it is the action of stretching your legs in the bed and pushing the toes out and down that triggers the cramp. Once you master the technique you will never have another painful leg cramp.
Pramesh Rutaji - 20 Mar 2008 01:15 GMT >> Does anyone else suffer fromlegcramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, >> and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > technique you > will never have another painful leg cramp. Or, you can do what I used to do and tighten your calf and thigh as hard as you can with your toes pointed away from you, the opposite direction to what you do. After about 10 seconds I slowly relax all and have successfully avoided the cramp. I don't get cramps anymore since I started taking a zillion supplements a day many years ago.
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DRA - 21 Mar 2008 14:20 GMT Thanks, I do this for the cramps in my calf. The bad ones are when the toes spreadout, then anything you do triggers the calf, then its OMG.
I have been taking an extra 300 mg potassium, and eating more potass rich foods; this seems to be working. I have had a few cramps, but much much less.
On Mar 14, 1:08 pm, "DRA" <damac...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else suffer fromlegcramps while LC. I drink plenty of water, > and keep the calcium up, but still get many nighttime cramps. Any > suggestions? > > Don hey Don forget all that bull about pottassium and salt and just get this. Here is a simple cure for cramp in the leg calf. When you feel it coming on, (I normally get a second or two warning before it hits home) push your legs straight down if lying in bed and cock your toes up towards your face as hard as you can. Hold this rigid position for several seconds and then relax. You must think quickly to react as I have stated but it always works and the cramp pain is avoided. Often it is the action of stretching your legs in the bed and pushing the toes out and down that triggers the cramp. Once you master the technique you will never have another painful leg cramp.
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