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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2008Still having trouble with blood glucose
My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in protein, and posters here tell me that 50% of suprplus protein is converted to sugar, and suggest more fat. However, vegetable fat seems hard to come by--only so much olive oil I'm willing to drink. Planning to increase animal fat if my triglycerides get down to a reasonable level--they've been absurdly high (triple what they should be), so I have been cutting animal--read saturated--fat, switching, for example, from ground beef to ground turkey (found it locally for $1.59/lb, as compared to the national chian supermarket near here, where it's $4.99/lb). Going to measure my triglyceridesat the end of the month, and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... >My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to >get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... I was recently forced to switch to Low GI Index eating.  SignatureRemember the Alamo You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually, animal fat is only partially saturated so eat more of it along with more olive oil, avocadoes, etc. How many grams of protein are you eating/day? From the other things you've been saying, it sounds like your main problem is BG control. Find yourself a doctor who is committed to working with you to attain good BG control as it sounds like you will need medication to help. | My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins | induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to | get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... >You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on >carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually, animal >fat is only partially saturated so eat more of it along with more olive oil, >avocadoes, etc. How many grams of protein are you eating/day? Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat. >From the other things you've been saying, it sounds like your main problem >is BG control. Find yourself a doctor who is committed to working with you >to attain good BG control as it sounds like you will need medication to >help. Hm, what's "BG"? BG is blood glucose. You're a diabetic and you don't know that? | Hm, what's "BG"? >>You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on >>carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This > time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat. Sat fat is going to have little to do with Trigs. What about exercise? You may be eating too much protein as well. And, it sounds as if you need to be on medication to get your blood glucose under control. > Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This > time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat. "This time, they're very high, so am giving up wearing sweaters." There's no reason to think saturated fat will cause higher triglycerides. And even if they did, more than half the fat in a steak is unsaturated, so the standard "red meat bad saturated" view doesn't hold up anyway. SignatureAaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz >> Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This >> time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >is unsaturated, so the standard "red meat bad saturated" view doesn't >hold up anyway. Well, that's what my endocrinologist stressed over and over--"saturated fat will cause higher >triglycerides", Will see when I get my blood exam this Saturday. > Well, that's what my endocrinologist stressed over and > over--"saturated fat will cause higher >triglycerides", Will see when > I get my blood exam this Saturday. Perhaps you should make a priority of finding an endo who actually reads the relevent science, then? Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Perhaps you should make a priority of finding an endo who actually reads >the relevent science, then? Am making do with my regular gp. I live in a state where insurance companies are very, very stingy, and it's driven all the edocrinologists away. Nearest ones are an hour's drive away--that's the one I went to see--but three offices just closed in that city, and the wait is from now until the end of August to see anyone. I'm going to see what the comprehensive blood test says this Saturday and go from there. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'm going to see what the comprehensive blood test says this Saturday > and go from there. Which explains why endos are a.sholes. In a group of 2500 people with low testosterone (primary or secondary), not one person has ever had a positive experience with an endo. It's easer to educate your primary care physician. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply > >You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on > >carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually, animal [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Hm, what's "BG"? So you are doing low carb and low fat. F'ing idiot. >> >You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on >> >carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually, animal [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >So you are doing low carb and low fat. F'ing idiot. This group seems overpopulated with morons like you. PLONK. > My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins > induction-level low carb diet for months. I've looked at your posting record and you don't have any posts on any diabetes support newsgroup. Time for that. It's a chicken-and-egg problem but get that blood sugar down and all of the features of low carbing will start working. While it may work that your triglycerides will drop as you lose to your low calorie efforts, it is far from clear that that will turn your blood sugar levels down. The body can synthesize glucose because your hormone balance is broken not because of caloric needs. Both runaway blood sugar and runaway ketones are symptoms of uncontrolled diabetes. >> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >> induction-level low carb diet for months. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >runaway blood sugar and runaway ketones are >symptoms of uncontrolled diabetes. Well, next to no ketosis going on, according to the sticks. Glucose is not "run-away"--it's at 165, not too horrible. Am planning that my weight loss will get me to favorable blood glucose regions. Plan is to monitor triglycerides, and if they're OK, add animal fat back to diet, keep losing weight, and hopefully glucose levels will go down at that point. How many times do we have to tell you--you are either IN ketosis or OUT, there are no degrees of ketosis. Glucose is 165 when? Before meals, after meals, one hour, two hours, upon rising? When makes a big difference though with hardly any carbs you should get big spikes ever. | Well, next to no ketosis going on, according to the sticks. Glucose is | not "run-away"--it's at 165, not too horrible. Am planning that my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | back to diet, keep losing weight, and hopefully glucose levels will go | down at that point. > Well, next to no ketosis going on, according to the sticks. Glucose is > not "run-away"--it's at 165, not too horrible. Am planning that my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > back to diet, keep losing weight, and hopefully glucose levels will go > down at that point. Animal fat doesn't raise your TGLs, carbs do, unless you're overeating in general. Try the silymarin, and get your adrenal hormones tested. Susan >>> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >>> induction-level low carb diet for months. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Well, next to no ketosis going on, according to the sticks. Glucose is > not "run-away"--it's at 165, not too horrible. Whether or not that's "not too horrible" depends...if you're LCing and not eating a lot of carbs, and are running those numbers 24/7, then you should be very concerned. The next question would are you on meds and if so, why aren't they working? Am planning that my > weight loss will get me to favorable blood glucose regions. > > Plan is to monitor triglycerides, and if they're OK, add animal fat > back to diet, keep losing weight, and hopefully glucose levels will go > down at that point. Are you unable to start some kind of exercise program? Have you tried that? >>>> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >>>> induction-level low carb diet for months. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >be very concerned. The next question would are you on meds and if so, why >aren't they working? That's fasting glucose. Yes, am on meds, metaformin and januvia. Why aren't they working? Hell if I know. Maybe it's a Chinese plot? Actually, I think I need more than 100mg of Januvia a day, but that's the max dose. 100mg took my glucose down from 350+ to 165; 120mg might take it to 120, but my MD says 100mg is the max. > That's fasting glucose. Yes, am on meds, metaformin and januvia. Why > aren't they working? Hell if I know. Maybe it's a Chinese plot? > Actually, I think I need more than 100mg of Januvia a day, but that's > the max dose. 100mg took my glucose down from 350+ to 165; 120mg might > take it to 120, but my MD says 100mg is the max. 165 IS a truly horrible fasting glucose number, when you consider that beta cells permanently die off at 110, and that damage is occurring to all organs and cells any time you're over 140. Susan > 165 IS a truly horrible fasting glucose number, when you consider that > beta cells permanently die off at 110, and that damage is occurring to > all organs and cells any time you're over 140. > > Susan I'm looking into ways to lower A1c. I've seen diet(low carb), exercise both aerobic and weight lifting, weight loss if overweight (best BMI?) supplements, some drugs (metformin), other options? My A1c runs around the top end of the lab reference range for normal and I'd like to get it down 1 to 1.5 points - about 4.5 to 5.0. I recently spent 60 days on a diet that excluded all grains, starches like potatoes, sugars, any processed foods, and any additives. The diet included meats, veggies, some fruit, nuts and some berries. My A1c increased .2 after 60 days, an unanticipated result. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply >> 165 IS a truly horrible fasting glucose number, when you consider that >> beta cells permanently die off at 110, and that damage is occurring to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > included meats, veggies, some fruit, nuts and some berries. My A1c > increased .2 after 60 days, an unanticipated result. Besides diet, the right kind of weight lifting is great for lowing BG and hence A1c. A "circuit training" type of workout works great, where you use moderate weights (well below max but not so light that you can't get near your limit at 10-15 reps). Full body workout with little rest between sets. I try to alternate upper body with lower body, or pulling motions with pushing motions. I think of it as trying to squeeze all the glycogen from the muscles - like water out of a spounge. Dr. Bernstein describes a similar workout in his books. A good cardio program helps drain glycogen too if you're LCing. Regarding your diet above...what was your exercise and what kind of limit did you put on veggies, some fruts and berries? Some of that can be carby and exercise matters a great deal. >>> 165 IS a truly horrible fasting glucose number, when you consider that >>> beta cells permanently die off at 110, and that damage is occurring to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > did you put on veggies, some fruts and berries? Some of that can be carby > and exercise matters a great deal. I might have had some berries or one piece of fruit a day. Veggies were never more than 1.5 lbs and closer to about 0.5 lb. About every 3-4 days I usually had a grapefruit. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply >>>>> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >>>>> induction-level low carb diet for months. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the max dose. 100mg took my glucose down from 350+ to 165; 120mg might > take it to 120, but my MD says 100mg is the max. 165 is too high for a fasting. I am also on metformin and Januvia along with Actos and Lantus. You really need to bring that fasting down, perferably under 100. Speak with your physician, you may need to be on another medication or Lantus (or other insulin). Your 1st concern should be to bring down your insulin level, than worry about your triglyceride... this will happen when you get your GL lower and cut out your carb (high GI carbs, such as bread, rice, pasta, potatoes...startches) out and replace them with low GI carbs. Start increasing your activies, this also help too.... Best wishes to you!! Mimi (back to lurking....) You must be a troll. > My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins > induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to > get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... > You must be a troll. Not an unreasonable evaluation. A record of actively posting to alt.usenet.kooks. His most active posting group is the troll ridden soc.men. He discusses diabetes but has not posted even once to any diabetes support group. Dismissing all medical specialists based on the experience of one who he failed to make active use of. He's discussing topics in a dismissive way that looks like he's reading up a little on topics then dropping back into disbelief. It's not a bad trolling method. Fairly artistic compared to the ones who post stuff like "bua ha ha" and "that's why you got fat in the first place". Note that even his posting handle can be translated to "sock puppet". An avatar is an indirect expression of another category of being. It is usually used in religion, but consider that some folks think religion has something to do with low carb. >> You must be a troll. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > based on the experience of one who he failed to make > active use of. Even though it's a troll, there still seems to be some good discussion from trying to solve the supposed dilemma. Lemonade from lemons and all that... > Even though it's a troll, there still seems to be some good discussion from > trying to solve the supposed dilemma. There's an assortment of advice from Dr Atkins that tend to apply across the board not just to folks on his plan. One is people with diabetes should only start on a low carb plan under direct medical supervision. Avatar's ignored many parts of the directions including this one. > Lemonade from lemons and all that... Got grain? Brew it into beer to lower the carb content. Then distill it into whiskey to zero the carb count. Or similar spoof on the sugary lemonade thing. Check. >> Even though it's a troll, there still seems to be some good discussion >> from [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Or similar spoof on the sugary lemonade thing. Check. Crystal Light. No sugar. Alright, Doug, I've had it with you. You're simply another usenet a.shole. PLONK. > My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins > induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to > get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... Okay, so your liver is really churning out triglycerides and glucose. I'd lower protein, add fats, including animal fats, and try taking 150-300mg of silymarin (milk thistle) with meals. Dropped my TGLs like a rock, and lowered post prandial spikes. But you REALLY need to be evaluated by a good endocrinologist, and that must include cortisol levels. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Okay, so your liver is really churning out triglycerides and glucose. Could be triglyceride levels were very, very high, and just haven't come down fully yet--last had them measured a month and a half ago. >I'd lower protein, add fats, including animal fats, and try taking >150-300mg of silymarin (milk thistle) with meals. Dropped my TGLs like >a rock, and lowered post prandial spikes. silymarin? Does that really work? >But you REALLY need to be evaluated by a good endocrinologist, and that >must include cortisol levels. Been to an endocrinologist, all it did was to cost me $300. He said, "Lose weight. Next." Can you tell me why cotisol levels are important? I know my stress level is high. She said GOOD endocrinoligist, one who says lose weight. next. is a BAD endocrinologist. | Been to an endocrinologist, all it did was to cost me $300. He said, | "Lose weight. Next." > silymarin? Does that really work? It really does. Low carb got my TGLs no lower than 120, silymarin to 67 from there. Very good for the liver, look it up on Medline/PUBmed. > Been to an endocrinologist, all it did was to cost me $300. He said, > "Lose weight. Next." I said find a "GOOD" one. Hard to do, I know. > Can you tell me why cotisol levels are important? I know my stress > level is high. Read up on occult Cushing's syndrome in type 2 diabetics; leads to more hospitalizations and the most complications. Susan > My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins > induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to > get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... Ah, much we do not know, here. You could be an 80 pound anorexic with type 1 diabetes, and my standard advice would be akin to quackery. Dr. Richard K. Bernstein has a book you may wish to find. For my body, there seems to have been two key elements to returning to a normal A1c. I restricted carbohydrates and reduced my BMI to normal. The A1c soon followed. Happy Easter. >> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >> induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Ah, much we do not know, here. You could be an 80 pound anorexic with type >1 diabetes, and my standard advice would be akin to quackery. _smile_ No--about 80 lbs over, type II. >Dr. Richard K. Bernstein has a book you may wish to find. I have the book. >For my body, there seems to have been two key elements to returning to a >normal A1c. I restricted carbohydrates and reduced my BMI to normal. The >A1c soon followed. Yes, am trying that. My A1c was 14 when I started; after two months on low carb, 9.5. Am hoping for futurre reductions. Am also woking on the BMI. >Happy Easter. Thanks. You too. >>Dr. Richard K. Bernstein has a book you may wish to find. > I have the book. You have the Bernstein book, but you say BG levels of 165 aren't "too horrible"? Might want to take another look at it. SignatureAaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz > Avatar <noway@goodgoodbye.com> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You have the Bernstein book, but you say BG levels of 165 aren't "too > horrible"? Might want to take another look at it. Another look? My guess is that it sits un-read. >> Avatar <noway@goodgoodbye.com> writes: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Another look? My guess is that it sits un-read. Uh, no. I've read it. My diabetes just doesn't repond to low carb. One possibility is to cut protein and increase fat. But the low carb way of doing it alone doesn't work. >>> Avatar <noway@goodgoodbye.com> writes: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > possibility is to cut protein and increase fat. But the low carb way > of doing it alone doesn't work. Well, cutting back on protein and increasing fat is still LC. And if at all possible, start a serious walking program combined with some resistance training, too. 165 FBG is something to be very concerned about. >> Uh, no. I've read it. My diabetes just doesn't repond to low carb. One >> possibility is to cut protein and increase fat. But the low carb way >> of doing it alone doesn't work. > >Well, cutting back on protein and increasing fat is still LC. True. Am considering adding cheese to my diet and subtracting meat. But am lactose-intolerant, and the darn lactaid pills are expnsive. Am also thinking about adding fat via nuts. >And if at all possible, start a serious walking program combined with some >resistance training, too. Yes, will do. Have been remiss in that--we used to walk, and my sweetie still does. >165 FBG is something to be very concerned about. I know. My doctors still say no insulin, though, and I'm not unhappy about that. >> Avatar <noway@goodgoodbye.com> writes: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Another look? My guess is that it sits un-read. You win for best guess. :-) Cheri >>> Avatar <noway@goodgoodbye.com> writes: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >You win for best guess. :-) Your guessing ability stinks, then. Avatar wrote in message ... >>>> Avatar <noway@goodgoodbye.com> writes: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Your guessing ability stinks, then. Well, guessing has never been my strong suit, I usually *know* what I'm talking about. ;-) Cheri >>>Dr. Richard K. Bernstein has a book you may wish to find. > >> I have the book. > >You have the Bernstein book, but you say BG levels of 165 aren't "too >horrible"? Might want to take another look at it. Not too horrible compared to what it was, 350+. Avatar wrote in message <1keiu3lmb1c35ic4dsn1lnsc6pr507d2mg@4ax.com>... >>>>Dr. Richard K. Bernstein has a book you may wish to find. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Not too horrible compared to what it was, 350+. That's kind of like saying one amputated leg is better than two amputated legs. Seriously. Cheri >Avatar wrote in message ><1keiu3lmb1c35ic4dsn1lnsc6pr507d2mg@4ax.com>... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >That's kind of like saying one amputated leg is better than two >amputated legs. Seriously. OK, Cheri, what do you want me to do? Go on insulin? My GP and endroinologist say no. I'm getting my weight down at about 3lbs a week, and hope that will help. Avatar wrote in message ... >OK, Cheri, what do you want me to do? Go on insulin? My GP and >endroinologist say no. >I'm getting my weight down at about 3lbs a week, and hope that will >help. I'm absolutely *not* trying to tell you what to do, just that complications can arise with BG's that high. My main point is that many times when people are diagosed, they have had diabetes for many years, especially when your numbers were that high on diagnosis, and I just don't want you to be complacent about it because the complications can be really terrible. Best to you, and sorry if I came across snarky. Good luck with finding a solution for your numbers and the weight loss. Cheri Thanks Cheri, sorry if I came across too defensive. But some of the people here can leave you feeling very defensive! > OK, Cheri, what do you want me to do? Go on insulin? My GP and > endroinologist say no. > I'm getting my weight down at about 3lbs a week, and hope that will > help. I don't believe that weight loss by itself confers better glycemic control, or I woudn't have been so severely DM and IR when I was so skinny. For most type 2s, it's the carbs. You may have more going on, too. If you're eating very high protein in order to keep fats and carbs low, that could explain a lot of your problem. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >If you're eating very high protein in order to keep fats and carbs low, >that could explain a lot of your problem. Thanks, Susan, I'm beginning to think so too. >>>>You have the Bernstein book, but you say BG levels of 165 aren't >>>>"too horrible"? Might want to take another look at it. >>>Not too horrible compared to what it was, 350+. >>That's kind of like saying one amputated leg is better than two >>amputated legs. Seriously. > OK, Cheri, what do you want me to do? Doug already had a good suggestion: Trust your thinking about how you're probably getting too much protein, and replace some of it with fat, not worrying about the type of fat except to avoid all trans-fats. If your fasting BG is 165, either your body has simply stopped making enough basal insulin (in which case I don't know why your doctors would be against supplementing it) or there's sugar coming from somewhere. Some could be stored glycogen flooding back out of your muscles, but that's temporary. Other than that, it's either carbs in your diet, or protein in your diet being converted. Anyone know any other way to get a fasting BG of 165, that I'm missing? SignatureAaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz > If your fasting BG is 165, either your body has simply stopped making > enough basal insulin (in which case I don't know why your doctors would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Anyone know any other way to get a fasting BG of 165, that I'm missing? Yes; cortisol is at its daily peak in the a.m. and is responsible for raising blood glucose in preparation for wakefulness and activity. If cortisol is excessively high, that's another reason for elevated fasting, even in very insulin sensitive and insulin adequate folks like me. Italian researchers have found occult Cushing's syndrome in a significant number of type 2 DMs. Susan > > OK, Cheri, what do you want me to do? > > Doug already had a good suggestion: Trust your thinking about how > you're probably getting too much protein, and replace some of it with > fat, not worrying about the type of fat except to avoid all trans-fats. That's a dietary approach aimed at both controlling Avatar's diabetes and at getting low carb to work by going to the rails on glucagon output. That problem is - Sometimes diabetic damage is low enough that it it can be controlled by diet and sometimes diabetic damage is high enough that it can not be controlled by diet. Since Avatar can't control his diabetes with diet alone no matter what low carb action he takes, his damage is high enough he needs meds. He's tried and failed with metaformin and other meds. That means it's time for other tests and to move on to insulin injections or other approaches. > If your fasting BG is 165, either your body has simply stopped making > enough basal insulin (in which case I don't know why your doctors would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Anyone know any other way to get a fasting BG of 165, that I'm missing? If the other meds are not working the most likely reason is he's not making enough insulin any more. As Susan points out his current BG levels ensure that will be true in time if it's not controlled. Susan knows this topic better than any general practice doctor I've encountered so I would sign up for what tests she suggests and I would try another endocrinologist. One who understands what it means that low carbing failed to work. Losing fat can only help but there's got to be a better way than being hungry every other week to brute force it down. And if insufficient insulin is being produced dropping fat stores don't have much effect on insulin so it's unlikely to actually work. There are times when losing down to near goal just isn't the big deal we want it to be. Low carbing should reduce insulin resistance and thus make any released insulin work better, but if the pancreas is now releasing insufficient insulin injections are going to be needed. With low carbing and dropping insulin resistance the dosage is likely to be low but it is clear to me at this point that resisting insulin isn't the way to go. And it is also clear to me that following Susan's suggestions is the way to go. Aaron Baugher <aaron_baug...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Avatar writes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you're probably getting too much protein, and replace some of it with > fat, not worrying about the type of fat except to avoid all trans-fats. >That's a dietary approach aimed at both controlling Avatar's >diabetes and at getting low carb to work by going to the rails >on glucagon output. That problem is - Sometimes diabetic >damage is low enough that it it can be controlled by diet and >sometimes diabetic damage is high enough that it can not >be controlled by diet. >Since Avatar can't control his diabetes with diet alone no >matter what low carb action he takes, his damage is high >enough he needs meds. Serious exercise can help alleviate the situation, and it's doubtful that course of action has been tried. Medicine is great as a last resort, but it should be just that. People run out and get elective surgery and/or start taking medicines with various side-effects when really a little hard work and self-discipline would get the job done. > My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins > induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to > get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... Not enough information given....what else are you doing? Any meds? Any exercise? Weight, gender, age? >> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >> induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to >> get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.... High blood sugar causes high triglycerides, saturated fat does not. Increase your fat content, especially saturated fat, and you'll lower your triglycerides. SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >>> induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Increase your fat content, especially saturated fat, and you'll lower your >triglycerides. That's interesting to know--any source on "High blood sugar causes high triglycerides" such as an URL? >That's interesting to know--any source on "High blood sugar causes >high triglycerides" such as an URL? LCing is working great for me. When I started LCing in August '07, my triglycerides were 203. Six weeks later they dropped to 153. In January '08, they were at 96. My BG before LCing was 126. In January it was 96. My weight was 265 lbs in August--now it is at 225 as of this AM. I can't tell you if high blood sugar causes high tryglycerides. But I can tell you that LCing took care of both of them for me pretty fast. My results are pretty typical of a lot of folks that cut back on carbs. I also supplement with 500 mcg of Chromium Picolinate daily. This is supposed to help control BG levels. I got the OK from my doctor to take it, and I wouldn't recommend taking it without consulting your physician first. Best of Luck to you. Mark 265/225/200 >>That's interesting to know--any source on "High blood sugar causes >>high triglycerides" such as an URL? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I can't tell you if high blood sugar causes high tryglycerides. But I can tell > you that LCing took care of both of them for me pretty fast. Your results are typical of carb cutting, but high blood glucose doesn't cause high triglycerides, they're both caused by excess carb consumption. Glucose that your body doesn't use immediately is converted to triglycerides by the liver for storage. Susan >> My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins >> induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Not enough information given....what else are you doing? Any meds? Yes, as I've repeatedly said, metaformin and januvia. >Any >exercise? Not enough. >Weight, gender, age? Yes. |
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