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Hair Loss - more than once?

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April Goodwin-Smith - 10 Dec 2003 08:05 GMT
I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
freaked out, just slightly freaked.

I understand that, if it is going to occur, it often occurs at
around the six month mark in a weight loss process, and often
happens to people who have lost thirty or more pounds.  I also
understand that most people who experience this, also experience
a regrowth of hair.

So, my question is: for those of us who have more than thirty
pounds to go, does this happen only once?  Or, will the hair
loss continue until the weight loss stops?  Or, will there be
several episodes of hair loss punctuated by regrowth?

As a fat girl/woman, my one beauty has always been my hair[1],
so this is hitting my vanity.  I am probably going to have to
get my hair cut off because it is getting too thin to look good
long.  I hate short hair - it requires too many hair cuts, and
too much messing about in the morning.

April.
Put out the cat.

[1] - I know: I'm supposed to have a great personality to go
with it, but that seems not to be the case.  :)
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Frenchy - 10 Dec 2003 09:05 GMT
snip>
> I understand that, if it is going to occur, it often occurs at
> around the six month mark in a weight loss process, and often
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> long.  I hate short hair - it requires too many hair cuts, and
> too much messing about in the morning.

I would get your Thyroid functions tested if you get into a hair loss, in case there is a
Thyroid problem.  Or up your Carbs and get out of the starvation mode.

Apparently the thyroid does start to shut down (and make U hypothyroidic) under starvation
conditions

Frenchy
Jeri - 10 Dec 2003 10:35 GMT
> I would get your Thyroid functions tested if you get into a hair
> loss, in case there is a Thyroid problem.  Or up your Carbs and get
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Frenchy

Carbs have nothing to do with starvation mode. BMR is concerned with total
calories not carbs.
April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:17 GMT
> snip>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > Or, will there be several episodes of hair loss
> > punctuated by regrowth?

<snip>

> I would get your Thyroid functions tested if you get into a
> hair loss, in case there is a Thyroid problem.

Will do.

>  Or up your Carbs and get out of the starvation mode.
>  Apparently the thyroid does start to shut down (and
>  make U hypothyroidic) under starvation conditions

Bwahahaha.  Not by the wildest imagination could I be said
to be in starvation mode - even *before* Christmas.   :)

Thanks.
April.
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Lexin - 10 Dec 2003 12:38 GMT
> I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
> freaked out, just slightly freaked.
> I understand that, if it is going to occur, it often occurs at
> around the six month mark in a weight loss process, and often
> happens to people who have lost thirty or more pounds.  

It's happening to me, too, and I'm somewhat freaked as well.  My
hairdresser says he doesn't think I'll lose any more, though how he
knows (since he is a reformed East End gangster) I have no idea.  I'm
curious to know if it'll carry on (if I'm doomed to be baldyMcLexin
for the rest of my days, best know about it now so I can save up for a
wig) or if it'll grow back.  My hair was lovely and thick - with the
emphasis on the was!

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Jean B. - 10 Dec 2003 22:52 GMT
> > I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> > thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> wig) or if it'll grow back.  My hair was lovely and thick - with the
> emphasis on the was!

Same here!  Not only wrinklier and gaunt-looking, but also with
rapidly thinning hair.

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April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:18 GMT
> > I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> > thing on here before it happened to me-I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> about it now so I can save up for a wig) or if it'll grow back.
> My hair was lovely and thick - with the emphasis on the was!

Yeah - it kinda sucks to be in the phase space between
"fat girl with great hair" and "slim girl with wispy hair-like
substance".  Occupying the "fat girl with yuck on her head"
zone is not fun.   :)

April.
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Martha Gallagher - 10 Dec 2003 17:28 GMT
> I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> loss continue until the weight loss stops?  Or, will there be
> several episodes of hair loss punctuated by regrowth?

I've never seen anyone post that it was a repeating cycle, so I'd guess
that it's usually a one time only thing for most people. And, I think that
makes sense if the hair loss is part of the body's reaction to the stress
of a new way of eating.

Be mindful that there are other things that can cause hair loss, e.g.
thyroid problems, alopecia, etc. so if it continues, you might want to
discuss it with your doctor.

> As a fat girl/woman, my one beauty has always been my hair[1],
> so this is hitting my vanity.  I am probably going to have to
> get my hair cut off because it is getting too thin to look good
> long.  I hate short hair - it requires too many hair cuts, and
> too much messing about in the morning.

Yeah, but look at the upside: thin girls look great with short hair.

> [1] - I know: I'm supposed to have a great personality to go
> with it, but that seems not to be the case.  :)

"Great personality" is just code for undatable, anyway. :-)

Good luck,

Martha

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April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:18 GMT
<snip>

> > So, my question is: for those of us who have more than
> > thirty pounds to go, does this happen only once?  Or,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> so I'd guess that it's usually a one time only thing for
> most people.

I hope so.  Thanks for this.

> Be mindful that there are other things that can cause hair
> loss, e.g. thyroid problems, alopecia, etc. so if it
> continues, you might want to discuss it with your doctor.

I will keep these in mind.

> > As a fat girl/woman, my one beauty has always been my
> > hair[1], so this is hitting my vanity.  I am probably
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Yeah, but look at the upside: thin girls look great with
> short hair.

Well, you certainly do!   :)

I have taken the slow, dragging feet, puppy glancing backwards
approach and gotten my Mom to hack off my hair shoulder height
over the holidays.  It is still wash'n'go, and fluffs out a
bit because of less weight, but I think it is going to have to
go shorter yet - it sort of clings to my neck in a very
irritating way.

I just wanted to be a slim woman - I didn't think it through
and realize that of course it was going to be a full-body
transformation.  Born again, more or less.  Less!  Of course
less!    :)

April.
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Cubit - 10 Dec 2003 17:47 GMT
IMHO you are killing yourself.  If your hair is falling out you are doing
something wrong.

See a doctor!

I recently watched a TV show on anorexics, and the poor woman they showed
had lost much of her hair.

> I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> [1] - I know: I'm supposed to have a great personality to go
> with it, but that seems not to be the case.  :)
April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:19 GMT
> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote:
> > I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> IMHO you are killing yourself.  If your hair is falling out
> you are doing something wrong.  See a doctor!

No, no.  Hair-loss is to be expected with substantial weight-
loss.  Many people have posted here describing the phenomenon.
My concern was that since I have so much weight to lose, would
I continue to shed hair until there was nothing left.

> I recently watched a TV show on anorexics, and the poor woman
> they showed had lost much of her hair.

Well, I'm sure this is a concern, but by no stretch of the
imagination can I be considered anorexic - not now, not ever.
I eat plenty.  I have nuts and meats and fats and leafy green
veggies.  And chocolate.   :)

April.
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Myway - 10 Dec 2003 18:30 GMT
> I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> like things than things.  Well known fact."
> Esmerelda Weatherwax  (Pratchett 1988)

Need to take your vitamins while doing low carb! Very essential for
everyone, make sure also includes folic acid.

Myway
April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:19 GMT
> > I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> > thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
> > freaked out, just slightly freaked. <snip>
>
> Need to take your vitamins while doing low carb! Very essential
> for everyone, make sure also includes folic acid.

I have taken a multivitamin plus multimineral supplement every
day for the past ten years.  Also, I have been taking a folic
acid supplement since May 2001.

So, no, this is normal weight-loss side effect - I just want
to know if I'm going to get the extended play version.  :)

April.
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Jackee - 10 Dec 2003 18:49 GMT
Both my mother and I (low-carbers) lost  lot of hair in the beginning( 4 yrs
ago)  I think pretty much all of mine grew back.
We used to joke that we'd rather be bald and thin then fat and have hair.
Anyhow, mine grew back.

> I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> [1] - I know: I'm supposed to have a great personality to go
> with it, but that seems not to be the case.  :)
April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:19 GMT
> > I'm very glad that people discussed the possible hair-loss
> > thing on here before it happened to me - I'm not *completely*
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> back.  We used to joke that we'd rather be bald and thin
> than fat and have hair.  Anyhow, mine grew back.

Thanks for this!  I agree with your sentiment - but this
in-between phase is kinda scary.  Skinny women can do bald -
but I ain't skinny, yet.   :)

April.
Put out the cat.  
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Supergoof - 11 Dec 2003 04:33 GMT
> I understand that, if it is going to occur, it often occurs at
> around the six month mark in a weight loss process, and often
> happens to people who have lost thirty or more pounds.  I also
> understand that most people who experience this, also experience
> a regrowth of hair.

Do you think it happens after 6 months LC or after about 30lbs loss?

I'm hoping it's the first one, since I have been doing this for much longer
than that, though my losses aren't much so far.

I have quite long hair and it will look a bit silly with a bunch of really
short stuff coming through! I'm not ready to cut it off just yet! (maybe
I'll celebrate goal with a funky new hairdo when I have only one chin)

> As a fat girl/woman, my one beauty has always been my hair[1],
> so this is hitting my vanity.

I know the feeling - to me, my hair is the only bit of me that anyone could
ever describe as 'beautiful'.

Rachel
(New Zealand)
Duane Storey - 15 Dec 2003 00:41 GMT
I wouldn't sweat it.. Your body is undergoing massive hormonal changes
when you switch from moderate-high carb down to carb low.  In some
people, this leads to temporary hair loss, similiar to what happens
with some women after pregnancy.

D.
April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:20 GMT
> I wouldn't sweat it.. Your body is undergoing massive hormonal
> changes when you switch from moderate-high carb down to carb
> low.  In some people, this leads to temporary hair loss,
> similiar to what happens with some women after pregnancy.

Okay.  I can buy that.  However, hair loss happens for some
women after *each* pregnancy - so will my body continue to
adjust after each substantial weightloss - even if it is a
continuous process?

April.
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Robyn Rosenthal - 30 Dec 2003 02:15 GMT
My hair fell out twice -- at about 30 pounds down and then again 20 pounds
later, but it definitly came back. And then some.

Last time I got my hair cut she thinned the heck out  of it, but 3 weeks later
I was at it with the thinning shears again to get it to hang right.

I think that eating enough protein & fat is a good thing:)Robyn
April Goodwin-Smith - 30 Dec 2003 20:18 GMT
> My hair fell out twice -- at about 30 pounds down and then
> again 20 pounds later, but it definitly came back. And then
> some.  Last time I got my hair cut she thinned the heck out
> of it, but 3 weeks later I was at it with the thinning shears
> again to get it to hang right.  I think that eating enough
> protein & fat is a good thing:)

Okay - I won't freak out if it happens again.   :)

Glad to hear it came back - will the gray go away, do you
think?  One can always hope.   :)

April.
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Robyn Rosenthal - 30 Dec 2003 21:11 GMT
>From: April Goodwin-Smith lornejaCAT@telusplanet.net

>> My hair fell out twice -- at about 30 pounds down and then
>> again 20 pounds later, but it definitly came back. And then
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>April.
>Put out the cat.

I find that the more blonde I add to my hair, the less gray I can see, does
that count<G>?

Robyn
April Goodwin-Smith - 29 Dec 2003 21:20 GMT
> > I understand that, if it is going to occur, it often
> > occurs at around the six month mark in a weight loss
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Do you think it happens after 6 months LC or after about
> 30lbs loss?

I don't know, but from what I recall reading, it seems to be
a combination of both.  Mine is actually five months and
forty pounds (ish), but I think someone mentioned eight months
and fifty pounds.  I think it is the sustained weight loss
over a period of time.

> I'm hoping it's the first one, since I have been doing this
> for much longer than that, though my losses aren't much so far.
> I have quite long hair and it will look a bit silly with a
> bunch of really short stuff coming through! I'm not ready to
> cut it off just yet! (maybe I'll celebrate goal with a funky
> new hairdo when I have only one chin)

What I got was a really skinny ponytail, and my drape of hair
was becoming a bit sheer.  It just didn't look right as long
hair anymore.  As mentioned elsewhere, I've cut it to shoulder
length and I think this might work.  Maybe.

April.
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Diane Mancino - 11 Jan 2004 12:41 GMT
Would those of you that lost your hair state:
how many carbs a day you were consuming
whether or not you were taking the supplements recommended
your age and how much weight you've lost.

Maybe we can see a trend to help us prevent this side effect.

Diane  (1.5 lbs lighter today!)

p.s. the posts are easier to read if you delete the old messages from your reply.

> > I understand that, if it is going to occur, it often occurs at
> > around the six month mark in a weight loss process, and often
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> Rachel
> (New Zealand)
Lexin - 11 Jan 2004 15:23 GMT
> Would those of you that lost your hair state:
> how many carbs a day you were consuming

About 35g per day.

> whether or not you were taking the supplements recommended

Yes.

> your age and how much weight you've lost.

Early 40s, have lost 63lbs, had lost about 50lbs when I noticed the hair
loss and been on the WOE about 5 and a half months.

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