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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / June 2008Verizon blocking access to ALT groups
Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but the big "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. Here is a excerpt from their email: Dear Verizon Online Customer, As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service. On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using our Newsgroup service. comp.* humanities.* misc.* news.* rec.* sci.* soc.* talk.* More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at: http://www.big-8.org/. Some free servers to try: http://usenet-news.net/ http://www.news.astraweb.com/ www.teranews.com http://www.motzarella.org/ www.aioe.org | Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but | the big "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] | More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available | at: http://www.big-8.org/. >http://www.motzarella.org/ <snip> Even though my Cox cable ISP carries all the newsgroups, I switched to using the free motzarella news server over a year ago, It's much faster than Cox and so far has had zero down-time. (Cox seemed to have news server issues just about weekly). I highly recommend it for those who are losing their Verizon and Road Runner alt. newsgroups, and it's completely free with no strings attached. --- Peter 270/216/180 > Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but > the big "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. <snip> It doesn't surprise me at all. Roadrunner will be terminating their Usenet service completely as of June 23rd. If anyone is interested in a text only news server check out news.individual.net . They charge 10 euros/year and payment can be made through PayPal or other ways listed on their website http://www.individual.net/ . NAYY  SignatureJeri "Change is inevitable, except from vending machines." Modified by MG > If anyone is interested in a text only news server check out > news.individual.net . They charge 10 euros/year and payment can be made > through PayPal or other ways listed on their website > http://www.individual.net/. They've started taking PayPal? Does it know how to handle the currency conversion? A few years ago I decided against going with individual.net because it was too much a hassle to open an account in Euros specifically for it. In article <a970c85f-f96b-4974-bb82-7fb81d607459 @m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, dfreybur@yahoo.com says... > > If anyone is interested in a text only news server check out > > news.individual.net . They charge 10 euros/year and payment can be made > > through PayPal or other ways listed on their website > > http://www.individual.net/. > > They've started taking PayPal? Not that I can see. They use ClickandBuy; uses your credit card. I've had no probs with it, does the currency conversion, around $15/yr US bucks. Was using the free service for couple of years, been with paid version ever since they started it. MM >> If anyone is interested in a text only news server check out >> news.individual.net . They charge 10 euros/year and payment can be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > going with individual.net because it was too much a hassle > to open an account in Euros specifically for it. Yes, they've started taking PayPal and it handled the currency conversion seamlessly. From their website overview.... http://www.individual.net/overview.php How can I pay? You can choose from the following payment options: The online payment service providers ClickandBuy (formerly Firstgate) and PayPal, as well as payment by bank transfer to a German bank account of Freie Universität Berlin (for holders of non-German bank accounts, IBAN and BIC are available). SignatureJeri "Change is inevitable, except from vending machines." > Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but the > big "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some > important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service. Dear Verizon! I wanted to let you know about some important changes that i will be making for my ISP. Your services are no longer required! :-) Regards A paying customer. > Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but the big > "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. For what I read, they are not blocking anything. What they are doing is not providing a service that they had previously provided. One can obtain newsgroup service from other provides. I use newsguy.com because I was with another provider many years ago (AOL) and I found it then to use a dedicated newsgroup provider for reliable access. If you want to read newsgroups for free, just go to a free provider like google.com and read the groups there. Otherwise, you can pay for a services that provides nntp access. Blocking would mean that verizon is preventing access from using anyone nntp services (newsgroups). That is not the case. On the other hand, I used to be with a service that blocked all outside access to sending mail on port 25 (smtp) except for their mail server. I ended up creating an encrypted tunnel to another service I had so that I could force writes to my own mail service to bypass automatically the ISP blocking bullshit and make it impossible for them to access and/or retain my email. (I also got encrypted POP3 access to boot, encrypted from my ISP's point of view). One could easily do the same thing with nntp. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply >> Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but the big >> "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. > >For what I read, they are not blocking anything. What they are doing is >not providing a service that they had previously provided. It's not that simple. They've been pressured by the New York attorney general into enforcing government censorship. No need to go into details, google the new stories. --- Peter 270/216/180 >>> Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but >>> the big "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > general into enforcing government censorship. No need to go into > details, google the new stories. It's true that there's pressure involved, but that doesn't make it censorship. Their customers can still use Usenet; it just won't be provided as part of their Internet service package anymore. They can even use it for free through horrible interfaces like Google Groups. That's no more censorship than the fact that my library doesn't carry every book and magazine I want. It's not censorship if they choose to spend their grant money on Dickens instead of Penthouse. Internet providers have to choose which services will cater to the most customers and make the most profit. Running a full-feed Usenet server is expensive, and with only a tiny percentage of customers accessing it, it just doesn't make fiscal sense to keep it up as an internal service. In the olden days of online communications, when the Internet was pretty much restricted to government installations, online services like AOL, Compuserve, and GEnie provided *all* services internally: chat rooms, forums, games, e-mail, everything. As the Internet made it possible to distribute those services to anyone from anywhere, the online services were replaced with ISPs, which have continued to cut back on the internal services they provide. Some don't even run a mail server anymore; they just supply an Internet connection, and send their customers off to Gmail or somewhere if they want a mailbox. It's still kind of skeevy for some politician to push this, but kind of irrelevant too. It's a little like shutting down the buggy whip factories after everyone's already bought a car. SignatureAaron -- 285/247/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz Aaron Baugher wrote in message >That's no more censorship than the fact that my library doesn't carry >every book and magazine I want. It's not censorship if they choose to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >expensive, and with only a tiny percentage of customers accessing it, it >just doesn't make fiscal sense to keep it up as an internal service. Yep, I could almost guarantee that it has everything to do with money, and very little to do with *social good.* Cheri > Aaron Baugher wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yep, I could almost guarantee that it has everything to do with money, > and very little to do with *social good.* Exactly! I'm betting ISPs have been hoping for this moment for a long time. It's a HUGE expense to support Usenet servers that carry binary groups. Now they can cut costs and blame it all on someone else. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see other ISPs jumping on the bandwagon now that the NYS AG office has made itself the perfect scapegoat. SignatureJeri "Change is inevitable, except from vending machines." >Exactly! I'm betting ISPs have been hoping for this >moment for a long time. It's a HUGE expense to support Usenet servers that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >that >the NYS AG office has made itself the perfect scapegoat. Yes, I give it about six months until the others follow...right after they put themselves in the position to be a *paid provider.* Cheri > >It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see other ISPs jumping on the > > bandwagon now that > >the NYS AG office has made itself the perfect scapegoat. > > Yes, I give it about six months until the others follow...right after > they put themselves in the position to be a *paid provider.* UseNet is too low budget for that. With individual.net charging 10 Euros per *year* it takes thousands of subscribers to justify one junior engineer running the servers and tens of thousands of subscribers to build a server farm. Even charging $10 per month as an extra service few can justify the head count. And they would be entering a market that already has some topnotch news server operations. | UseNet is too low budget for that. With individual.net charging | 10 Euros per *year* it takes thousands of subscribers to | justify one junior engineer running the servers and tens of | thousands of subscribers to build a server farm. Even charging | $10 per month as an extra service few can justify the head | count. >> Yes, I give it about six months until the others follow...right after >> they put themselves in the position to be a *paid provider.* > UseNet is too low budget for that. With individual.net charging > 10 Euros per *year* it takes thousands of subscribers to > justify one junior engineer running the servers and tens of > thousands of subscribers to build a server farm. Even charging > $10 per month as an extra service few can justify the head > count. And there's just no reason for it. When connections were slow and bandwidth expensive, it made sense to have a newsfeed trickling in all day so your users could connect to your local server at a decent speed. I used to run my own news server at home for that reason. (Still do; but that's because I'm a geek, not because there's any reason to now.) At today's speeds and pipe sizes, users can't even tell a difference between connecting to news.my-own-isp.com or news.somewhere-else.com. With nationwide ISPs, the latter might even be closer or faster than the former. It doesn't really make any more sense now to offer your users a local Usenet feed than it would to offer them a local copy of wikipedia. SignatureAaron -- 285/244/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz > Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but the big > "8" (which doesn't include ALT) will be blocked. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:http://www.big-8.org/. yes, ROADRUNNER followed suit, and we have no newsgroup service either! i can get use to GOOGLE i guess! rosie Free and cheap newsservers: http://usenet-news.net/ http://www.news.astraweb.com/ www.teranews.com http://www.motzarella.org/ www.aioe.org http://www.albasani.net/ | yes, ROADRUNNER followed suit, and we have no newsgroup service | either! | i can get use to GOOGLE i guess! | rosie On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT), readandpost wrote... >> Just received a notice from Verizon that starting June 24th all but the bi= >g [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >i can get use to GOOGLE i guess! >rosie I've used Google from time to time, but ended up trying out Newsguy from a friend's recommendation, and have been happy since. Good and inexpensive service, and I can access them from home or work. You can use their two day trial to try them, and their running a special for Verizon and Roadrunner users setting up a new account... http://newsguy.com/freemonth.htm Goose |
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