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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / August 2008Low-Carb Diet causes Kidney Failure/Renal Failure and will kill you.
Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. Low-Carb reminds me of the Nazi Doctors in the 1930s-1940s who did human testing knowing the tests would kill many patients. LOW-CARB WILL INCREASE your chances of getting LARGE PAINFUL KIDNEY STONES...Low-Carb has a harsh effect on humans and should be avoided at all costs. Try counting calories...It's simple and it works every time all the time. Many thousands of people in the U.S. have died as a direct result of LOW-CARB dieting and Doctors will try to talk you out of Low Carb diets. Also, Low Carb diets tend to fail because people lose interest in the limited type of foods within 6 months time. Stay away from a Low Carb diet unless you WANT kidney stones. LOW CARB diets also do great damage to the kidneys themselves. Many people report kidney damage after Low Carb dieting. Many of these people have to go on dialysis machines for LIFE after dieting with Low Carb. As for benefits, look no farther then the Dr. of low carb, Robert Atkins himself. WHEN HE DIED they did an autopsy on his body. The report noted he had VERY clogged arteries and was in overall poor health due to eating fatty foods more often than usual. What people on Low Carb will HIDE from people asking questions is that the Low Carb diet is VERY HIGH IN FATS. So high in fats that no cardiologist has ever recommended the Low Carb diet to anyone. Save your Kidneys and AVOID Low Carb fad diets. Counting calories is something most real doctors recommend to patient they want to stay alive. Instead of LOW CARB they should call it LOL-CARB because low carb is nothing more than a joke.. Counting calories is a SAFE and EFFECTIVE way to lose weight and keep if off without any life-threatening side-effects. Unless you're suicidal you need to stay away from Low Carb fake fad diets that will only kill you very fast and hurt you long before you ever die. The Military as a standard way to extract information from prisoners will use a Low Carb diet because of the PAIN associated with Kidney Stones. Why would you torture yourself with a low carb diet? Unless you want to die or die from a very painful death then you should STAY AWAY FROM A LOW CARB DEADLY DIET! Counting calories works and will not hurt you. "Always Learning" <noPublicEmail@this.time> wrote in > LOW CARB diets also do great damage to the kidneys themselves. Many > people report kidney damage after Low Carb dieting. Many of these > people have to go on dialysis machines for LIFE after dieting with Low > Carb. Learn this: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=93774 > "Always Learning" <noPublicEmail@this.time> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Learn this: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=93774 Also learn from this: http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ > Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing > that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. > Low-Carb reminds me of the Nazi Doctors in the 1930s-1940s who did > human testing knowing the tests would kill many patients. Now google for ``Godwin's law''. I will save you the trouble. Godwin's Law is a humorous postulate which asserts that as a Usenet thread grows longer, the probability rises toward 1 that someone will invoke a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis. There is also an associated tradition that when this happens, the thread is finished, and the debater who made the comparison is declared loser. You've done it in the very root article of a brand new thread. Congrats! > > Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing > > that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You've done it in the very root article of a brand new thread. Congrats! One can only wonder what motivates these nut jobs to make such ridiculous and baseless posts. <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in > > You've done it in the very root article of a brand new thread. Congrats! > One can only wonder what motivates these nut jobs to make such ridiculous and baseless posts. You know what they say about a little information in the hands of a budding expert! LOL Google makes them all experts! > You know what they say about a little information in the hands of a budding > expert! LOL > > Google makes them all experts! On both sides. There is Susan for instance, who doesn't understand so much as 10% of what she regurgitates. >> Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing >> that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >that as a Usenet thread grows longer, the probability rises toward 1 that >someone will invoke a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis. Except for the fact that harm from any doctor ON PURPOSE intended is indeed EXACTLY like that of Nazi Doctors in death camps. How this escapes you or anyone else is amazing. "Always Learning" <noPublicEmail@this.time> wrote in > Except for the fact that harm from any doctor ON PURPOSE intended is > indeed EXACTLY like that of Nazi Doctors in death camps. > > How this escapes you or anyone else is amazing. What's really amazing is how you and others of non low carb life style continue posting in a low carb news group! LOL What's the point of you being here other than looking for a fight? why not frequent other diet groups thatsupport your theories? >What's really amazing is how you and others of non low carb life style >continue posting in a low carb news group! LOL > >What's the point of you being here other than looking for a fight? To keep those who are trying to get tips on low carb to STOP and talk to their doctor about renal failure and other organ failures. My goal is to cause those people thinking about low-carb to do some research and talk to a D O C T O R not you people. None of you are doctors and you could likely KILL someone with your kook low carb promotions. Is that good enough reason for you yet? My doctor is very happy that I am eating low carb. | To keep those who are trying to get tips on low carb to STOP and talk | to their doctor about renal failure and other organ failures. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | | Is that good enough reason for you yet? >>What's really amazing is how you and others of non low carb life style >>continue posting in a low carb news group! LOL [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Is that good enough reason for you yet? You're not only a troll, but you're a pretty stupid one. After having three stents inserted in two coronary arteries last October, my cardiologist -- a resident at one of the foremost Heart Hospitals in the nation -- urged me to switch to the the (low-carb) South Beach diet plan, and he gave me several pages of literature about it that he had copied and ready to hand out to his patients. I started an eating regimen similar to SB in November. My total cholesterol has dropped from well over 200 to 117 since then,and my HDL "good" cholesterol has increased -- and no, my kidneys haven't fallen out. Not to mention that I've lost 50 pounds since going on South Beach. Now maybe you can explain logically why I should listen to a common usenet troll rather than to my cardiologist? I have been Low Carb for 12+ Years. I have complete blood work every 6 months. My Doctor is quite happy with all my results. YOU ARE THE KOOK in this group. And an a.shole Too I Might add. >>What's really amazing is how you and others of >>non low carb life style continue posting in a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Is that good enough reason for you yet? I suggest you check the latest research done at Johns Hopkins. Hint: It shows your assumptions are bogus. > I suggest you check the latest research done at > Johns Hopkins. Hint: It shows your assumptions > are bogus. You just wasted a reply on a hit and run usenet troll. Showed up on sci.med.nutrition after leaving here, to stir nonsensical sh.t up there, too. Susan > Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing > that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Counting calories works and will not hurt you. It seems you've been proven WRONG again. If I wanted to torment someone, I'd feed them rabbit and only rabbit. I am using high fat diet and high protein diet to lose weight, control blood glucose and control blood lipids. "Always Learning" do us all a favor and pig out on low fat ice cream for the next five years. On Aug 8, 9:32 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing > > that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > for > the next five years. Hmm...just by someone providing links to sites advocating a low carb diet proves nothing. I can give you links to sites proclaiming exactly the opposite e.g. http://www.sideroad.com/Weight_Loss/low-carb-diet-danger.html Have a look at the references the guy quotes at the bottom of his article. If people want to lose weight then they need to be sensible. Using the Atkins diet for a short period of time will not be dangerous. In fact the diet now advocated by the people at Atkins is far more along the lines of main stream science than it was in its infancy. I wonder why? http://theapothecary.890m.com On Aug 8, 7:31 am, thew1tc4d0ct0r <thew1tc4d0c...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Aug 8, 9:32 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > If people want to lose weight then they need to be sensible. Using > the Atkins diet for a short period of time will not be dangerous. And another poster who obviously doesn't understant what Atkins is all about. Your faint praise implies that there is something wrong with doing Atkins long term. Another misguided poster who thinks Atkins is some short term diet, to just lose weight. In fact, it's a life long plan. In > fact the diet now advocated by the people at Atkins is far more along > the lines of main stream science than it was in its infancy. I wonder [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Aug 8, 7:31 am, thew1tc4d0ct0r <thew1tc4d0c...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Aug 8, 9:32 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > the lines of main stream science than it was in its infancy. I wonder > why? Because main stream science has finally started to accept in some small measure that Atkins was right. With studies showing it works, actually improves lipid levels, and is the most effective way to lose weight, finally some in the medical community are finally recognizing the truth. Atkins didn't change, the rest of the world finally opened their eyes a bit. > http://theapothecary.890m.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > Using >the Atkins diet for a short period of time will not be dangerous. Which is an admission that the diet IS dangerous in the LONG TERM. >> Using >>the Atkins diet for a short period of time will not be dangerous. > > Which is an admission that the diet IS dangerous in the LONG TERM. Since you're always learning, try to learn everything possible about a syllogism. I don't expect you to understand the previous sentence. > Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing > that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Counting calories works and will not hurt you. I have studied this issue a lot and wonder where you are getting you data, can you site a reference? A high protein diet might be bad for someone who already had weak kidneys, for someone with two healthy kidneys I should not be a problem, or do you have a study that shows otherwise? The biggest risk for kidneys is not high protein but diabetes, which comes from being overweight and eating too many simple carbs. Scott > A high protein diet might be bad for someone who already had weak > kidneys, for someone with two healthy kidneys I should not be a > problem, or do you have a study that shows otherwise? > > The biggest risk for kidneys is not high protein but diabetes, which > comes from being overweight and eating too many simple carbs. All dietary proteins are not equal. Fish protein seems to have some interesting properties: it may improve insulin sensitivity, lower the risk of microalbuminuria and thus the risk of kidney damage in type 1 diabetes, improve lipid profile, and is perhaps the best protein for satiety. Below some references: Ouellet V, Marois J, Weisnagel SJ, Jacques H. Dietary cod protein improves insulin sensitivity in insulin-resistant men and women: a randomized controlled trial. Diabetes Care. 2007 Nov;30(11):2816-21. Epub 2007 Aug 6. PMID: 17682120 <http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/11/2816> "CONCLUSIONS—Dietary cod protein improves insulin sensitivity in insulin-resistant individuals and thus could contribute to prevention of type 2 diabetes by reducing the metabolic complications related to insulin resistance." Mollsten AV, Dahlquist GG, Stattin EL, Rudberg S. Higher intakes of fish protein are related to a lower risk of microalbuminuria in young Swedish type 1 diabetic patients. Diabetes Care. 2001 May;24(5):805-10. PMID: 11347734 <http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/24/5/805> "CONCLUSIONS—Total protein and fat intake were not associated with the presence of microalbuminuria, but a diet including a high amount of fish protein seemed to lessen the risk." Tremblay F, Lavigne C, Jacques H, Marette A. Dietary cod protein restores insulin-induced activation of phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase/Akt and GLUT4 translocation to the T-tubules in skeletal muscle of high-fat-fed obese rats. Diabetes. 2003 Jan;52(1):29-37. PMID: 12502490 <http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/1/29> "Taken together, these results show that dietary cod protein is a natural insulin-sensitizing agent that appears to prevent obesity-linked muscle insulin resistance by normalizing insulin activation of the PI 3-kinase/Akt pathway and by selectively improving GLUT4 translocation to the T-tubules." Lavigne C, Tremblay F, Asselin G, Jacques H, Marette A. Prevention of skeletal muscle insulin resistance by dietary cod protein in high fat-fed rats. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Jul;281(1):E62-71. PMID: 11404223 <http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/1/E62> "These data demonstrate that feeding cod protein prevents obesity-induced muscle insulin resistance in high fat-fed obese rats at least in part through a direct action of amino acids on insulin-stimulated glucose uptake in skeletal muscle cells. " Lavigne C, Marette A, Jacques H. Cod and soy proteins compared with casein improve glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity in rats. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Mar;278(3):E491-500. PMID: 10710504 <http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/278/3/E491> "In conclusion, the metabolic responses to three common dietary proteins indicate that cod and soy proteins, when compared with casein, improve fasting glucose tolerance and peripheral insulin sensitivity in rats. " Wergedahl H, Liaset B, Gudbrandsen OA, Lied E, Espe M, Muna Z, Mork S, Berge RK. Fish protein hydrolysate reduces plasma total cholesterol, increases the proportion of HDL cholesterol, and lowers acyl-CoA:cholesterol acyltransferase activity in liver of Zucker rats. J Nutr. 2004 Jun;134(6):1320-7. PMID: 15173391 <http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/134/6/1320> "Our results indicate that the effects of FPH and soy protein on fatty acid metabolism are similar in many respects, but the hypocholesterolemic effects of FPH and soy protein appear to be due to different mechanisms. FPH may have a role as a cardioprotective nutrient." Uhe AM, Collier GR, O'Dea K. A comparison of the effects of beef, chicken and fish protein on satiety and amino acid profiles in lean male subjects. J Nutr. 1992 Mar;122(3):467-72. PMID: 1542005 <http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/3/467> <http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/467> (free full text PDF) "We compared postprandial satiety and plasma amino acid, insulin, and glucose concentrations in six lean male subjects after the ingestion of three types of protein (beef, chicken and fish). Satiety was greater after the fish meal (P < 0.01)."  SignatureMatti Narkia http://ma.gnolia.com/groups/Nutrition >> A high protein diet might be bad for someone who already had weak >> kidneys, for someone with two healthy kidneys I should not be a [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > ingestion of three types of protein (beef, chicken and fish). > Satiety was greater after the fish meal (P < 0.01)." Instead or quoting websites where people can and do say the craziest things have you consulted 'more than one doctor' on this subject? A saw a post once that said drain cleaner would unclog your ateries so it must be true. > A saw a post once that said drain cleaner would unclog your ateries so > it must be true. You should go try it and get back to us. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Susan I am a changed man and realize how very wrong I have been with my posts in this newsgroup. please forgive me spanish: "Lo siento por favor me perdone" thank you >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > thank you I don't believe you. I don't need an apology either. If you don't just go away, I and others here will just kill file you and stay on topic. You're an amateur. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Susan *CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP* > x-no-archive: yes > >> A saw a post once that said drain cleaner would unclog your ateries so >> it must be true. > > You should go try it and get back to us. Remember folks, the ``support'' in this newsgroup's name refers to holding up the ideology, not to helping people. >> Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing >> that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >I have studied this issue a lot and wonder where you are getting you >data, can you site a reference? I consult DOCTORS, people who know what the hell they are talking about. I also DO NOT use internet quotes from web pages or usenet as those are not references in fact. People giving you bad advice about how HEALTHY low carb is have no vested interest in you doing well. >>On Aug 6, 8:03 am, Always Learning >><noPublicEm...@this.time> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > internet quotes from web pages or usenet as > those are not references in fact. My DOCTOR told me to loose weight by reducing my carbohydrate intake. Do you also question doctors who do not agree with you? > People giving you bad advice about how HEALTHY > low carb is have no vested interest in you doing > well. >Many thousands of people in the U.S. have died as a direct result of >LOW-CARB dieting and Doctors will try to talk you out of Low Carb >diets. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! What a hoot! Your Mama raised a real comedian! You of course can name them and cite sources for your statistics? >>Many thousands of people in the U.S. have died as a direct result of >>LOW-CARB dieting and Doctors will try to talk you out of Low Carb [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You of course can name them and cite sources for your statistics? It's called 'talking to your doctor before trying fad diets with renal failure dangers' What a load of CRAP!!!!! Thanks for the helpful advice Mister I don't want to give you a real email address. I have been on a low carb diet for several years. It has helped me to loose over 40 lbs of fat and to lower my cholesteral from the upper 280's down to 172 with an HDL of 42. If that is unhealthy, then bring it on! The important thing to do is not concentrate on strictly low carb, but to eat the right carbs and the right fats. Complex carbs such as whole unrefined grains are healthy (in moderation), but simple carbs like potatoes that instantly turn into sugar once concerned are not. The same goes for fats. Just because fats do not contain carbs (duh!) doesn't mean you should drink a quart of heavy cream. Consume healthy fats (poly & mono unsaturated) along with quality sources of Omega 3 fatty acids. Regarding this moron's complaints of Kidney Stones, drink plenty of water (something that you should do anyway, but especially when on a diet). As long as you keep your urine diluted (relatively clear, not yellow) then you will dramatically reduce your chances of Kidney Stones. > Many PRO-Low Carbers like to reproduce LIE about the lifestyle knowing > that they are promoting a diet which is highly likely to KILL YOU. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Counting calories works and will not hurt you. Barry, You are so right. I have been on Atkins (hard core) since 1998. according to most nutritionist, I am dead. I am now 65 years old. I feel very healthy. I do not eat simple or complex carbs. I only eat very complex carbs. That means no fruit or grain ever. When I went on Atkins in 1998, I suffered some sort of horrible reaction from the deprivation of carbohydrates. I was obese and felt like this was my last chance at being healthy. So, I kept at it. After 3 days I woke up in the morning and felt better than I had in 20 years. I am not willing to go back to how I felt before dumping carbs. It is easier for me to follow this diet than it might be for others because my wife is on the same diet. We share our life and diet. My cholesterol was last measured 6 months ago at 105. That is down from a pre Atkins high of 213. I had serious exertional angina back in 1998. That finally went away completely 3 years ago. I do not really know why, but I suspect that having a very low total cholesterol for so long might have slowly removed a little plaque from my arteries. Just a guess. Barry, a lot of dissing of the Atkins diet comes from the Vegans, who believe that this diet is morally wrong. They will tell any lie to try to dissuade us from this diet because they believe that their cause is just. It is the old "ends justify the means argument". Michael > What a load of CRAP!!!!! Thanks for the helpful advice Mister I don't > want to give you a real email address. I have been on a low carb diet [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] >> >> Counting calories works and will not hurt you. > Barry, > You are so right. I have been on Atkins (hard core) since 1998. > according to most nutritionist, I am dead. I am now 65 years old. I feel > very healthy. I do not eat simple or complex carbs. I only eat very > complex carbs. That means no fruit or grain ever. > When I went on Atkins in 1998, I suffered some sort of horrible reaction > from the deprivation of carbohydrates. I was obese and felt like this > was my last chance at being healthy. So, I kept at it. After 3 days I > woke up in the morning and felt better than I had in 20 years. I am not > willing to go back to how I felt before dumping carbs. > It is easier for me to follow this diet than it might be for others > because my wife is on the same diet. We share our life and diet. > My cholesterol was last measured 6 months ago at 105. That is down from > a pre Atkins high of 213. > I had serious exertional angina back in 1998. That finally went away > completely 3 years ago. I do not really know why, but I suspect that > having a very low total cholesterol for so long might have slowly > removed a little plaque from my arteries. Just a guess. > Barry, a lot of dissing of the Atkins diet comes from the Vegans, who > believe that this diet is morally wrong. They will tell any lie to try > to dissuade us from this diet because they believe that their cause is > just. It is the old "ends justify the means argument". > Michael Thanks for a relly inspiring story about personal health. As someone who losr my grandmother to diabetes (leading to heart failure), I was glad to read of a nrration of how it works for older people. I hope that you will remain well. SignatureNewsoffice.de - Die Onlinesoftware zum Lesen und Schreiben im Usenet Die Signatur läßt sich nach Belieben anpassen ;-) >Thanks for a relly inspiring story about personal health. As someone >who losr my grandmother to diabetes (leading to heart failure), I was >glad to read of a nrration of how it works for older people. I hope that >you will remain well. ONE example from the INTERNET is not enough evidence to start a fad diet like low carb. YOU need to talk to someone trained in knowing how your body works like a freaking DOCTOR! I googled 'tooth fairy' while ago and 10 pages said it's REAL!! So that must be the truth.. Also in various chat rooms people will swear the tooth fairy is real so that's more evidence. See how this works? "Always Learning" <noPublicEmail@this.time> wrote in > ONE example from the INTERNET is not enough evidence to start a fad > diet like low carb. YOU need to talk to someone trained in knowing how > your body works like a freaking DOCTOR! Doctors only know what they were taught some 20 years ago, much of the information has changed since they graduated. Low carb living is nothing more than eating real food, can't see any Doctor objecting to that! Eating processed junk food is a recent fad! DB wrote in message ... >"Always Learning" <noPublicEmail@this.time> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Eating processed junk food is a recent fad! True. Cheri |
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