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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / September 2008noob questions
Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing muscle/fat ratio). I have 3 questions: I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around 50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. I know that I should split the exercises over the week but I get bored doing that and i want to do them all when i am at the gym. I started putting off weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that? Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein, 2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1 banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or take out the banana (because of fiber in it)? Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good idea? Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/ kidney, or anything? Thanks a bunch. Arif. You're not overtraining. > Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while > keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Thanks a bunch. > Arif. Thanks, I really hope so! The reason why I think i might be overtraining is that ppl say that 30-40 mins should be max you should stay in gym.. > You're not overtraining. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Thanks a bunch. > > Arif. It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect over weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from the days when lifters would stay in the gym for 6 or 8 hours a day every day while trying to build muscle through volume training. There are a list of symptoms such as a washed-out feeling, tired, drained, lack of energy, mild leg soreness, general aches and pains, pain in muscles and joints, sudden drop in performance, insomnia, headaches, increased number of colds, and sore throats, decrease in training capacity and intensity, moodiness and irritability, depression, loss of enthusiasm for the sport, decreased appetite, and an increased incidence of injuries. Even if you have these symptoms, you have to make sure it's from the exercise and not just because you're not ingesting enough calories. Thanks, I really hope so! The reason why I think i might be overtraining is that ppl say that 30-40 mins should be max you should stay in gym.. > You're not overtraining. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Thanks a bunch. > > Arif. > It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect > over weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from > the days Damn JC!!! This might be a helpful post...you are slipping bud. :-) Cheri Oh, well, Im kinda feeling all of those right now.. I will take it easy for some time though.. I think it should be ok to feel those after intense training.. > > It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect > > over weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cheri >> It's very difficult to overtrain yourself, and it's a cumulative effect >> over weeks and months. The urban myth of common overtraining comes from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Cheri Dang! I was lurking and saw JC's post; I thought I had fallen asleep in the twilight zone and woke up in an alternate universe! "ozgun.harmanci" <ozgun.harmanci@gmail.com> wrote in > I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around > 50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline > based on my heart rhythm. Then work out pecs, shoulder and biceps all > at the same time. I think that is not good, because I usually stay in > the gym around 2 hours and most probably overtraining. Not over training, but the problem is sustaining such a program when boredom sets in and your schedule gets busy. You'll tend to drop training all together as you lose interest. Best to just plan 40 minutes 3 times a week, it's much more effective! > Hello there, I am 26 years old, trying to put off some fat while > keeping (and hopefully adding up some muscle mass, or increasing > muscle/fat ratio). I have 3 questions: It is true that low carb dieting tends to retain more lean than low fat dieting, but I'm puzzled why you posted to a low carb support group rather than a low fat support group. Do you have the impression that low carbers work out more than low fatters and thus have more experience on the topic? I wonder how true such an impression would be and how to measure it. I find it a dubious notion. > I go to gym around 2-3 times a week. When i work out, I run around > 50-60 mins, mostly aerobic, that is, 5 to 7 mph adding some incline [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > weight but I am pretty sure that i am also losing muscle bc of > overtraining. Any comments/solutions/advices on that? Over training is based on your current fitness. Someone who does 5K runs then suddenly runs a marathon is over training. As long as you built up to your current workout and have been doing it for a while you aren't overtraining. > Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein, > 2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1 > banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free > plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the > digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or > take out the banana (because of fiber in it)? This is why I'm puzzled about where you're posting your question. No matter what the claimed carb level is for the malto-dextrin, malto-dextrin is a sugar and thus a carb. You're eating high carb low fat not low carb high fat. As such you're asking on the wrong group. What does the low carb support group report? What does the weight lifting support group report? > Lastly, before workouts, I drink water+1 scoop of carbo gain so that I > hope to pump some sugar to my muscles. Do you think that is a good > idea? You ask that on a low carb support group so you should not be surprised at the obvious answer - No, sugar is not good for you and it is not needed for workouts. Switching to low carb does require starting out easy and building back up but it works just fine. > Do you know if taking too much carbo gain is bad for the liver/ > kidney, or anything? Taking to much sugar is bad for the pancreas. It becomes a problem for the kidneys if and only if you do enough of it to go diabetic and get wild blood sugar swings. Neither low fat nor low carb are bad for the liver. > Over training is based on your current fitness. Someone who > does 5K runs then suddenly runs a marathon is over training. > As long as you built up to your current workout and have been > doing it for a while you aren't overtraining. When someone is doing 5K runs and then suddenly runs a marathon it's called overreaching, not overtraining. HTH >> Over training is based on your current fitness. Someone who >> does 5K runs then suddenly runs a marathon is over training. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > When someone is doing 5K runs and then suddenly runs a marathon it's > called overreaching, not overtraining. Either case you want a regime that is easy to maintain in the long run. This is a life Style choice, not a short term 3 month program that you quit completely after losing 10 pounds. I completely agree to that, I hope I will have the courage to keep the life style especially when the winter is coming.. actually i felt today because i couldnt resist the temptation of eating 2 bacon+swiss cheese melt in lunch.. I was going pretty good (i mean healthy) until i ate that.. I knew that i should have stopped at pasta and not take that foccaccio thing. it is not that bad though there is lot of protein in bacon and cheese but lots of fat too.. eheh it should be ok to enjoy some bad habits from time to time.. > >> Over training is based on your current fitness. Someone who > >> does 5K runs then suddenly runs a marathon is over training. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is a life Style choice, not a short term 3 month program that you quit > completely after losing 10 pounds. > .... I knew that i should have stopped at pasta ... Posting on a low carb support group you should have "stopped the pasta". No *at* the pasta. Pasta is junk food just like that sugar crap in your drink. You're definitely in the wrong group eating junk noodles. A point on newbiness - This is UseNet not text messaging. Each has its own traditions and you're clearly a newby on UseNet as well as on dieting topics. On UseNet spell it out for real. It's "newby" not "noob". There are many types of newbiness here not just diet issues. > > .... I knew that i should have stopped at pasta ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > There are many types of newbiness here not just diet > issues. I a gree about my newbiness BUT i think that pasta was pretty healthy because it was low on fat and high on protein and also had lots of vegetables in it. It also included the high carbohydrate to keep my muscles and brain nourished until the next meal. And I drank coke zero so I did not have any sugar crap in my drink, actually I cannot tolerate any of the regular soft drink any more because of high sugar content.. But I have to admit that coke zero has much more worse stuff in it.. You people reading this group (I mean low-carb group) do not eat any pasta? Do you think pasta is garbage food? It can be made garbage food (if you put lots of garbage in it) but I think pasta itself not because pasta has lots of good stuff in it. >> > .... I knew that i should have stopped at pasta ... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > garbage food (if you put lots of garbage in it) but I think pasta > itself not because pasta has lots of good stuff in it. Most low carbers don't eat pasta because it causes blood sugar to spike. What makes you think that eating anything made of flour is good for you? Pasta itself is all carbs, just slow sugar, the things you put on it can be good but you don't need pasta to eat them. A lot of us use spaghetti squash as a substitute. Pasta doesn't contain much in the way of good nutrients, vitamins, antioxidants. Vegetables and fruit are a much better expenditure of a carb budget. What is it that you think made your pasta high in protein? | I a gree about my newbiness BUT i think that pasta was pretty healthy | because it was low on fat and high on protein and also had lots of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | garbage food (if you put lots of garbage in it) but I think pasta | itself not because pasta has lots of good stuff in it. >You people reading this group (I mean low-carb group) do not >eat any pasta? Do you think pasta is garbage food? It can be made >garbage food (if you put lots of garbage in it) but I think pasta >itself not because pasta has lots of good stuff in it. What "good stuff" is in pasta? It basically turns to sugar the minute you start eating it.  SignatureBlueBrooke 254/188/135 -- No Peeking Until 01 October The protein was from cheese and chicken in the pasta. It also had fiber (wheat stuff in pasta). Ok my bad, pasta is all bad for you if you are on low carb diet. Maybe I should cut back on pasta. > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:31:33 -0700 (PDT), "ozgun.harmanci" > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BlueBrooke > 254/188/135 -- No Peeking Until 01 October >The protein was from cheese and chicken in the pasta. It also had >fiber (wheat stuff in pasta). > >Ok my bad, pasta is all bad for you if you are on low carb diet. > >Maybe I should cut back on pasta. I don't know if it's all bad for you. It's certainly all bad for me. SignatureBlueBrooke 254/188/135 -- No Peeking Until 01 October good then dont eat it. > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT), "ozgun.harmanci" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > BlueBrooke > 254/188/135 -- No Peeking Until 01 October >good then dont eat it. Well, thank you for that. I was waiting for someone to say that was okay. What a relief. SignatureBlueBrooke 254/188/135 -- No Peeking Until 01 October "ozgun.harmanci" <ozgun.harmanci@gmail.com> wrote in > Ok my bad, pasta is all bad for you if you are on low carb diet. It is not a diet, it's a permanent way of eating! > "ozgun.harmanci" <ozgun.harma...@gmail.com> wrote in > > > Ok my bad, pasta is all bad for you if you are on low carb diet. > > It is not a diet, it's a permanent way of eating! Why are you posting in a diet group then? :P eheh, kidding.. "ozgun.harmanci" <ozgun.harmanci@gmail.com> wrote in > life style especially when the winter is coming.. actually i felt > today because i couldnt resist the temptation of eating 2 bacon+swiss > cheese melt in lunch.. I was going pretty good (i mean healthy) until > i ate that.. I knew that i should have stopped at pasta and not take > that foccaccio thing. it is not that bad though there is lot of > protein in bacon and cheese but lots of fat too.. http://www.aolhealth.com/diet/men-fitness/healthy-fat-foods Fat is not bad for you, sugar is the killer! > "ozgun.harmanci" <ozgun.harma...@gmail.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Fat is not bad for you, sugar is the killer! See, this does not make sense to me, fat is obviously bad to me, because im trying to get rid of it. I believe that sugar is not bad when you need to take it, that is, I need that sugar crap (or some natural sugar) to fill up the glycogen back in your muscles immediately after the exercise, otherwise your body goes into catabolysm. And that is not healthy. You will lose weight in that way but it is just going to be same as not eating anything and torturing your body. > See, this does not make sense to me, If how the human body works actually made sense there would be zero heavy people. > fat is obviously bad to me, If the obvious were true there would be zero heavy people. > I believe that sugar is not bad You're wrong and since you're posting this on a low carb group it is clear the reason you came here was to troll not for support. > > See, this does not make sense to me, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You're wrong and since you're posting this on a low carb group > it is clear the reason you came here was to troll not for support. You finally figured that out, eh? >> > See, this does not make sense to me, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >You finally figured that out, eh? It's nice to give people the benefit if the doubt. If they be trolls, it's only a matter of time before they're dangling, given enough rope. SignatureBlueBrooke 254/188/135 -- No Peeking Until 01 October A bacon and swiss cheeae melt sounda pewtty good to me. Maybe on one slice of bread or half a biscuit. How about a slice of low carb bread. I might try this for breakfast along with a scrambled egg this morning. Barbara > I completely agree to that, I hope I will have the courage to keep the > life style especially when the winter is coming.. actually i felt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > protein in bacon and cheese but lots of fat too.. eheh it should be ok > to enjoy some bad habits from time to time.. My regular weekend breakfast (when I have more time to cook in the morning) is a bacon "sandwich": two slices of bacon, some kind of low-carb wrap (today it was a Joseph's low-carb tortilla), mayo, and lettuce and/or tomato. So, essentially, a low-carb BLT. > A bacon and swiss cheeae melt sounda pewtty good to me. Maybe on one > slice of bread or half a biscuit. How about a slice of low carb bread. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > protein in bacon and cheese but lots of fat too.. eheh it should be ok > > to enjoy some bad habits from time to time.. Signature"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly. This, apparently, upsets the fools." ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest > Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein, > 2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1 > banana, around 600 ml of fat free milk, around 3 scoops of fat free > plain yogurt. Do you think any of these are going to increase the > digestion time of carbo-gain? Should i use water instead of milk? Or > take out the banana (because of fiber in it)? Maltodextrin is refined carbohydrate junk. It's better to eat nutritious, unrefined carbohydrates. (Why would you consume refined, powdered carbohydrate material and then worry about its fast digestion time? Doh?) There are uses for matodextrin: it's useful for quick energy in endurance events such as marathons. The various ``power gel'' type products are made of maltodextrin and water. It's quite a racket: divide it into tiny packages and sell it for a grossly inflated price! I bought a kilogram of maltodextrin about four years ago. I still have most of it, because I've only used it in a few marathons to make my own power goop. Why is this stuff marketed at guys who are trying to build muscle? What role would it play? To gain muscle, you need calories. The stuff has them. That's it. The number one reason skinny guys have trouble gaining muscle is that they don't consume enough calories in relation to their fast metabolisms. You're best off getting the calories from real food, and forget about the supplements. I am sorry if this is the wrong group to ask but since we started here, I am hoping it is ok to keep it here. I will also ask the same question in the low fat and body building groups (I think I did one of those but not sure).. I totally agree with the fact that 2 hours is too long for making space in your schedule.. I might start doing workouts and runs alternatively. But I believe that it depends on how motivated you are.. I usually can have 1-2 hours everyday free so I think i will try to keep it up for some time. > (Why would you consume refined, powdered carbohydrate material and then worry > about its fast digestion time? Doh?) The reason why I am worrying about the digestion time of maltodextrin is that after the workouts im pretty washed up and I dont want the muscles to start burning themselves off since they are most probably out of all glycogen they had.. I read that supplying the needed carbohydrate to muscles as soon as possible is vital after working out. That kinda makes sense bc if your body do not have anything to survive on its gonna break some muscles.. So if you eat things that are going to increase digestion time of the maltodextrin, which keeps muscles longer without needed sugar.. That is going to be the most undesired thing! That is why those guys are always skinny.. > > Here's my post workout shake: 2 scoops of body fortress whey protein, > > 2 scoops (same as protein scoops) of carbo-gain maltodextrin, 1 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > You're best off getting the calories from real food, and forget about the > supplements. |
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