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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / November 2008Insulin sensitivity
Hi, I've been diagnosed with high levels of insulin. Doctor said LC and Metformin is the way to go. But I found a book on Amazon called "Insulin resistance diet"(Hart and Grossman)where they claim that linking protein to carbs in a ratio of 2 carbs to 1 protein gives better results than a low carb solution as such. I'm sceptical. It tickles my ears as you can include high carbs in a limited way. Personally I think low carb, and ditch the metformin (glucophage) may do me more good. Why would I need both lc and met? (anyway I don't like met as I find my memory for names seems to be a lot slower on met, even when B12 level is good) So what's best for IR? LC, or linking carbs+protein? thanks Martin >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >thanks >Martin Why are you asking here instead of in alt.support.diabetes? And, yes, I've found that eating lower carb has been necessary. You've taken Metformin before?  SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel : ^> USA <*> 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 HbA1c 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg Current ................... HbA1c 5.8 Byetta 5x2 begun 08-01-08 "And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn - I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help and I will be your President too." - Barack Obama, 11/4/08 >> So what's best for IR? LC, or linking carbs+protein? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And, yes, I've found that eating lower carb has been necessary. You've taken > Metformin before? I was interested in the "insulin resistance diet" compared to LC. I figured the expertise was here. Sorry if that's wrong, and I'll go to a.s.d to see what they say. I bet if I'd cross posted someone would have had something to say too! > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > thanks > Martin Well, it depends... I personally feel that the benefit of met is it stops me freaking out if I have more carbs than needed. It is very difficult (personally for me) to be on a permanent low-carb diet. I am a vegetarian and my choices of pure protein are limited. I think a healthy diet i.e. good combination of low carb & healthy proteins and a low dose of met works well... Cheers, Asha ash...@gmail.com wrote: > ... It is very > difficult (personally for me) to be on a permanent low-carb diet. It's difficult for most. Any type of diet is so there's nothing unique to low carb in that. What's easy for me is staying on a low carb plan. What's hard for me is resisting to take that first bite in the face of temptation. At some level of carb density it starts triggering cravings and I have to start all over again from scratch. Yet what other plan is even easy to stay on? For me I've tried lots of types of plans and it's the only one with even that feature. > I am > a vegetarian and my choices of pure protein are limited. I find this puzzling. If you're vegetarian why would you ever have tried low carb in the first place? If you're low carb why would you want to stay vegetarian? While low carb can be done vegetarian it combines two fairly mainstream approaches in a way that's a bit fringe in the combination. Starting at either why combine the two? > I think a > healthy diet i.e. good combination of low carb & healthy proteins and > a low dose of met works well... > So what's best for IR? LC, or linking carbs+protein? You might see pollutants are contributing to your IR. Below article has some info: www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926731.900-could-the-diabetes-epidemic-be-down- to-pollution.html ON 10 July 1976, a reactor at a chemical plant near the small town of Seveso in northern Italy exploded, sending a toxic cloud drifting into the summer sky. Around 18 square kilometres of land was contaminated with TCDD, a member of the notorious class of industrial chemicals known as dioxins. The immediate after-effects were relatively mild: 15 children landed in hospital with skin inflammation and around 3300 small animals were killed. Today, however, the accident casts a long shadow over the people of Seveso, who are suffering increased numbers of premature deaths from cancer, cardiovascular disease and, perhaps surprisingly, diabetes ... > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > thanks > Martin Carbohydrates drive insulin drives fat accumulation. Carbohydrates drive insulin. Carbohydrates. Cutting carbs cuts insulin cuts fat accumulation. Cutting carbs cuts insulin. Cut carbs. There is no mechanism that allows carbohydrates to somehow reverse the damage they've done i.e. insulin resistance. It makes no sense to advise to eat more carbs. My first post on this newsgroup. I hope it was helpful. > My first post on this newsgroup. I hope it was helpful. Welcome abroad the UseNet group ASDLC! Here's some advice about UseNet posting traditions - Please trim out the parts you are not responding to. In a few of your posts you've included the entire post. A post on UseNet is expected to stand on its on, include relevant context, not include irrelevant verbiage. In at least one thread you've responded more than once. The tradition on that is mixed - Some old timers want a wrap-up post others want small individual posts. Ponder which way you think is higher quality and work that system - In the long run posts by regulars are followed more or less based on their long term quality so making a habit of low quality gets your posts ignored by many. The quality isn't in which way you pick; it's in the thought that went into making your choice. When responding to spammers make *very* certain you do not repeat their links. Yes, this fits in the same category and trimming your posts but there's more to it than that - If you quote an entire spam post then *you* become a spammer by doing that. If you leave a link unmodified the *you* are giving positive feedback to the spammer by giving their link an extra copy - Search engines find such copies and increase the ranking of the link so copies of spam links are extremely bad. Resist responding to spammers in general. When responding to spammers at all please be very limited in it. Occasional mocking is fun for spammers as they never reply. When the spammer is an MLM person do make a point of reporting them to the MLM - Folks can have their contracts pulled for spamming. When responding to trolls think twice. Then think three times. Then think four times. Then report them for abuse to their NSP/ISP for violation of TOS. Then think five times. Be *extremely* rare about mocking trolls and be fastidious about trimming out any cross posts (some trolls hold cross posting contests to attack certain groups so if you don't trim you contribute to an attack) and changing the subject line (to avoid drawing sensible readers to the original troll whose posts are generally automatically dropped with kill-files). Be cautioned that some trolls do it for the attention so any response at all keeps them coming back. Also be cautioned that some trolls are mentally ill and not effected by any sort of social pressure whatsoever - Even dancing with other trolls is viewed as encouragement by them. > There is no mechanism that allows carbohydrates to > somehow reverse the damage they've done i.e. insulin > resistance. And you know this how? It's an old topic and there are long term low carbers who have reported improvement as well as long term low carbers who have reported no improvement. The thing is the mechanism isn't known but some sort of healing does happen for some. In a way it's like diabetes - For some with small enough damage some amount of healing happens. For others the damage is permanent. Not enough is known on how the healing works even though the mechanisms for how high carb causes the damage in the first place are well known. Healing the damage is a hard topic like maintenance - It's easy to follow a plan to lose, hard to follow a plan for life. It's easy to cause damage, hard to stop any increase in damage, mysterious on how to bring about reversal of damage, very hard to known if reversal is even possible in your own case. > > There is no mechanism that allows carbohydrates to > > somehow reverse the damage they've done i.e. insulin [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The thing is the mechanism isn't known but some sort of > healing does happen for some. Persisent environmental pollutants (PCBs, dioxin, pesticides, plasticizers, etc) cause all sorts of havoc, including damaging cell's energy producing mitochondira. Pollutants tend to be lipophilic and biomagnify up the food chain. Unknowly, most people have already been exposed via animal-based dietary fats during the past two or three decades. It is stored mostly in fatty tissues such as adipose, bone marrow, nervous system. It takes many years to get rid of such pollutants. For example, dioxin has a half life of 10 year in the human body. Once mitos are damages, glucose & triglyceride levels rise. Within cells, excess glucose causes high level of reactive dicarbonyls such as methylgloxal. In addition, damaged mito create excess reactive oxygen species leading to inflammation. Most people are not aware of the info in http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926731.900-could-the-diabetes-epidemic-b e-down-to-pollution.html |
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