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Leo - 15 Jun 2009 20:12 GMT Hello every body
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Billy - 15 Jun 2009 21:42 GMT In article <e717b331-7959-4998-9fd7-bb6f36e41682@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> Hello every body (comma between "Hello, and "every", which should be everybody.) Hey, Leo Onlin, which illiterate culture spawned ye of little knowledge?
> Today we have some special Nose for our valuable visitor........ It must be "Open Gate Day" at the "Stoopid Shelter";O)
So what can you tell us about low carb diets today, L.O.? (Maybe I'll just call you "L". You look like "L" to me ;O) You know that it just makes you look stupid, Stoopid, to be posting actualities in a newsgroup about "low carb diets". But then, you probably think that whole "competency issue" thing is over blown, don't you? If you're going to be incompetent, you should have a lower profile, like "zero". See below what you could be doing, if only you were competent.
Hello, Mr. And Mrs. America, and all the ships at sea. These are some of the recent breaking stories in the world of Low Carb Diets:
http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=21656
http://www.ivanhoe.com
Reported June 15, 2009 Veggie Heavy 'Eco-Atkins' Diet Improves Cholesterol
(Ivanhoe Newswire) -- One of the hottest diet trends of the past decade is back, but this time, meat is taking a backseat to vegetables. New research shows that overweight individuals who ate a low-calorie, low-carbohydrate diet high in plant-based proteins for four weeks lost weight and experienced improvements in blood cholesterol levels and other heart disease risk factors. The ³Eco-Atkins² diet includes foods high in vegetable proteins from gluten, soy, nuts, fruits, vegetables, cereals and vegetable oils. Canadian researchers tested the effects of this diet on overweight men and women with high low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C or ³bad² cholesterol) levels to the effects of a high-carbohydrate, lacto-ovo vegetarian diet based on low-fat dairy and whole grain products on similar patients. In both groups, weight loss was similar -- about 8.8 pounds per person. However, reductions in LDL-C levels and improvements in the ratios between total cholesterol and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C or ³good² cholesterol) levels were greater for the low-carb diet compared to the high-carb diet. The low-carb diet also appeared to produce beneficial changes in levels and ratios of apolipoproteins, proteins that bind to fats. Also, small but significantly greater reductions were seen in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure for the low-carb group compared to the high-carb group, researchers said. SOURCE: Archives of Internal Medicine, June 8, 2009 ------ In other news:
http://www.newspostonline.com/health/plant-based-low-carb-diet-may-help-l ose-weight-improve-cholesterol-levels-2009061458817
Plant-based, low-carb diet may help lose weight, improve cholesterol levels
A diet low in calories and carbohydrates but high in plant-based proteins may promote weight loss and improve cholesterol levels, according to study. In the study, researchers found that overweight individuals who ate such a diet for four weeks lost weight and experienced improvements in blood cholesterol levels and other heart disease risk factors. They found that a high-carbohydrate, low-fat vegetarian diet also resulted in weight loss but without the additional cardiovascular benefits. . .
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http://www.examiner.com/x-4607-Low-Carb-Examiner~y2009m6d15-Vegetables-ar e-at-the-core-of-a-low-carb-lifestyle
T.J. Freeman Jr. Low Carb Examiner Vegetables are at the core of a low carb lifestyle
June 15, 12:15 PM ·
Many people refer to a low carb diet as "the meat and cheese diet" or comment that this way of eating is not for them because it is too restrictive. The Atkins plan recommends that during induction you receive 60-75% of your daily carbohydrates from vegetables; not meat, not cheese, but good old veggies. Beginning with the induction phase, you are only allowed 3-4 ounces of cheese a day but several cups of veggies based on which ones you choose. These should account for about 12-15 of your 20 daily carbs. Of course salads are a great way to get an assortment of lettuces, mushrooms, sprouts, radishes, and peppers. What about some that you can eat more like finger food? How about some celery sticks, or sliced cucumber, or even a little Jícama? Some other acceptable veggies that are only slightly higher in carbs would include broccoli, cauliflower, eggplant, collard greens, zucchini, tomatoes, and onions. Be sure to verify the carbohydrate content before adding them to your meal. These same veggies will follow you through all phases of your eating regimen, but you will add some fruits and nuts in phase 2. Fruits like fresh blueberries, strawberries, and cantaloupe are great examples of what can be added at this stage. When moving into phase 3, you actually can add small amounts of white potatoes, carrots, and yams as well as 1/2 cup serving of various types of beans. This is the stage where you get to become more creative with your recipes and meal planning because of all the additional ingredients that are allowed.
Good Night and God Bless (strains of "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy" in the background) (fade to black)
. . . and that's the way it is done Stoopid.
Say, this is a nice corner. Maybe I'll take it over. You, go find something less irritating to do, low profile, got it? Now, go get lost kid.
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trader4@optonline.net - 16 Jun 2009 13:54 GMT > In article > <e717b331-7959-4998-9fd7-bb6f36e41...@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- One of the hottest diet trends of the past decade > is back, but this time, meat is taking a backseat to vegetables. Sigh... I guess they finally read Atkins book.
> New research shows that overweight individuals who ate a low-calorie, > low-carbohydrate diet high in plant-based proteins for four weeks lost > weight and experienced improvements in blood cholesterol levels and > other heart disease risk factors. Sigh.... Now we're back to making it low calorie too.
> The ³Eco-Atkins² diet includes foods high in vegetable proteins from > gluten, soy, nuts, fruits, vegetables, cereals and vegetable oils. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (HDL-C or ³good² cholesterol) levels were greater for the low-carb diet > compared to the high-carb diet. And why didn't they have a third group that just did Atkins without adding the low calorie restriction? We've seen other studies that showed improved cholesterol from simply just going straight Atkins LC, without modifying it also have to be low calorie. Has they done that, they might have found that whether you restricted the calories or not, the results were about the same.
> The low-carb diet also appeared to produce beneficial changes in levels > and ratios of apolipoproteins, proteins that bind to fats. Also, small [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > receive 60-75% of your daily carbohydrates from vegetables; not meat, > not cheese, but good old veggies. I guess that's a good thing, since meat has zero carbs. In other words, who but an idiot would think that you would be getting significant amount of carbs from meat?
> Beginning with the induction phase, you are only allowed 3-4 ounces of > cheese a day but several cups of veggies based on which ones you choose. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on... Doug Freyburger - 16 Jun 2009 15:11 GMT trad...@optonline.net wrote:
> Billy <wildbilly@without_a.net> quoted: > > > (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- One of the hottest diet trends of the past decade > > is back, but this time, meat is taking a backseat to vegetables. > > Sigh... I guess they finally read Atkins book. Chuckle. Not a chance!
> And why didn't they have a third group that just did Atkins without > adding the low calorie restriction? Researchers actually reading the book? Such shocking activities never happen.
> We've seen other studies that > showed improved cholesterol from simply just going straight Atkins LC, > without modifying it also have to be low calorie. Has they done that, > they might have found that whether you restricted the calories or not, > the results were about the same. Had they read the book and had a control group who followed the direction, the results would not have supported a conclusion that pushes vegitarian life.
Billy - 16 Jun 2009 17:57 GMT In article <23756143-7742-4c8f-98ab-d13a5892c5b1@c20g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> trad...@optonline.net wrote: > > Billy <wildbilly@without_a.net> quoted: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > followed the direction, the results would not have supported > a conclusion that pushes vegitarian life. No, the push for a more vegetarian life comes from the roughly 3 BILLION people who will be joining what's left of us in the next 40 years. Americans have long enjoyed consuming 1/4 of the worlds energy. Now the rest of the world wants to live like we used to and that doesn't include the new arrivals (total = 9 Billion people by 2050). America consumes 25% of the world energy and represents 5% of the planet's human population. That's 19 other 5%s who want to live like us, which would require a 475% increase in energy consumption when we are trying to dial back on energy consumption because of "Global Warming".
What does that have to do with meat consumption? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-greenhouse-hamburger The rest of the news isn't any better. 1) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5DB153BF932A05750C0A9 649C8B63&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1
2) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/opinion/12kristof.html
3) http://www.biojobblog.com/2009/03/articles/rants-and-raves/methicillin-re sistant-staphylococcus-aureus-a-growing-link-between-mrsa-infections-and- pigs/
4) http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vegetables-contain-antib iotics
Maybe try being a Locavore? They seem like fun people and at least the food is fresh. It also fits in with Eco-Atkins.
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Billy - 16 Jun 2009 17:11 GMT In article <857ebf90-3cfb-4761-9820-78a6097bb4d7@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> > In article > > <e717b331-7959-4998-9fd7-bb6f36e41...@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Sigh... I guess they finally read Atkins book. It seems like it was only a year ago, that pork rinds were ubiquitous in low carb diets. Consequently, I never read any of the books. "Eco-Atkins" at least caters to my pre-existing illusions of how things should work. I'm arriving via Michael Pollan.
> > New research shows that overweight individuals who ate a low-calorie, > > low-carbohydrate diet high in plant-based proteins for four weeks lost > > weight and experienced improvements in blood cholesterol levels and > > other heart disease risk factors. > > Sigh.... Now we're back to making it low calorie too. Let's pray that low calorie doesn't mean starvation rations. Even if it is backing off calories in increments, the sensation of hunger is counter productive. Then there is always exercise. Even if you don't work off that chocolate chip, sour creme muffin in one jog, exercise raises your metabolism to work more effectively, even when you aren't. But, if you are serious; http://www.freep.com/article/20090520/FEATURES01/905200338/ Personally, I think I'll work with what I've got (stress avoidance).
> > The ³Eco-Atkins² diet includes foods high in vegetable proteins from > > gluten, soy, nuts, fruits, vegetables, cereals and vegetable oils. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > they might have found that whether you restricted the calories or not, > the results were about the same. I felt the same way about the "Nut" article. They checked blood levels in a normal state and then put everybody on low cal diets and varied the nuts. Why not just give the nuts to people eating their regular diet and see if that lowered cholesterol. <http://www.examiner.com/x-2994-Phoenix-Alternative-Medicine-Examiner~y20 09m6d15-Nuts-reduce-cholesterol>
> > The low-carb diet also appeared to produce beneficial changes in levels > > and ratios of apolipoproteins, proteins that bind to fats. Also, small [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > words, who but an idiot would think that you would be getting > significant amount of carbs from meat? I think the Examiner could use you. They obviously meant calories.
> > Beginning with the induction phase, you are only allowed 3-4 ounces of > > cheese a day but several cups of veggies based on which ones you choose. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > > http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on...  Signature
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Doug Freyburger - 16 Jun 2009 20:02 GMT > ... Consequently, I never read any of the books. You could start now. Move from ignorant crusade troll poster to contributor. Stranger things have happened.
> Let's pray that low calorie doesn't mean starvation rations. Introducing concentration camps is a standard tactic of folks who have no idea what they are talking about.
> Even if it > is backing off calories in increments, the sensation of hunger is > counter productive. Hunger gradually erodes commitment.
> Then there is always exercise. There's an interesting apparent contradiction - It is easy to eat a few thousand calories in a single meal and it takes running a marathon to consume that many calories. Therefore portion control is more important than excerise to lose. Statistics gathered about successful maintainers show that exercise is the one factor among them. It's only an apparent contradiction when viewed at a very shallow level -
1) The loss phase (often a year or two) is a lot shorter than the manitenance phase (until you die or until you quit and gain it all back) so different issues are at work.
2) Not finding commonalities among methods partially reflects that many different types of plans work for many different people and partially reflects that the questions asked by the surveys is highly biased. For years it was impossible to sign up for the weight loss registry and tell them you were doing low carb.
3) Exercise tends to build momentum. The longer you do it the bigger its impact.
4) Exercise tends to act as a preventative against regain so even though it matters less during the loss phase it matters very much during maintenance.
Billy - 16 Jun 2009 21:08 GMT In article <895efe58-f20d-47cb-90a6-010b70a45e96@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> > ... Consequently, I never read any of the books. > > You could start now. Move from ignorant crusade troll poster > to contributor. Stranger things have happened. You're very patronizing for a person without wit or citation. I'll chalk your poor behavior and invectives up to an egregious home life, for the moment.
> > Let's pray that low calorie doesn't mean starvation rations. > > Introducing concentration camps is a standard tactic of folks > who have no idea what they are talking about. You just grab the conspiracy and run, don't you. My point is that with greater bulk to calories for plants, we may be able to diet with fewer calories yet not feel so hungry. The long French meals (dining) come to mind as well, since it takes about 20 min. before your stomach knows that it has been fed. The result is satiation without a calorie overload.
> > Even if it > > is backing off calories in increments, the sensation of hunger is > > counter productive. > > Hunger gradually erodes commitment. There certainly is a grain of truth in that. I guess it depends on the goal. "She'll never go out with me as long as I'm fat.", mentality just may work, if there are indications that it is working.
That brings up the subject of medical dieting vs. cosmetic dieting. The former seems it would be the more important, but I guess there is the media stereotype of what we should look like, no matter how insane it is.
> > Then there is always exercise. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > one factor among them. It's only an apparent contradiction when > viewed at a very shallow level - You're the one who made it!!?
The body metabolizes differently after exercise, even if you don't burn off that 2,500 cal hamburger that you had for lunch.
> 1) The loss phase (often a year or two) is a lot shorter than > the manitenance phase (until you die or until you quit and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to sign up for the weight loss registry and tell them you were > doing low carb. What is a weight loss registry?
> 3) Exercise tends to build momentum. The longer you do it > the bigger its impact. > > 4) Exercise tends to act as a preventative against regain so > even though it matters less during the loss phase it matters > very much during maintenance. In terms of your health, it probably counts most. http://weight-loss-methods.suite101.com/article.cfm/exercise_improves_hea lth_more_than_weight_loss
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trader4@optonline.net - 18 Jun 2009 16:41 GMT > In article > <895efe58-f20d-47cb-90a6-010b70a45...@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > your poor behavior and invectives up to an egregious home life, for the > moment. What kind of replies do you expect to get when you constantly post crap in response to every bit of spam and litter that shows up here? You really expect to be taken seriously?
> > > Let's pray that low calorie doesn't mean starvation rations. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > What is a weight loss registry? A place for bufoons like you to
> > 3) Exercise tends to build momentum. The longer you do it > > the bigger its impact. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on... Billy - 18 Jun 2009 20:22 GMT In article <917ec5c5-149e-49a8-a598-9bcf3cf45cdd@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > In article > > <895efe58-f20d-47cb-90a6-010b70a45...@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > crap in response to every bit of spam and litter that shows up > here? You really expect to be taken seriously? When I arrived at this site there was more crap than posting and what was posted was a cat-fight between a couple of nit pickers. At the least I've up-graded your daily chatter and have, at least temporarily, gotten rid of one spammer. So I think it is time that you grow up. I am here. You have killfiles. If you don't like what you see, use them.
> > What is a weight loss registry? > > A place for bufoons like you to Ah, an invective and an evasion of the question. Aren't you the helpful little dip-sh.t? You seem to have opinions that have no cite, which is to say, no value. You just pull them out of your a.s. You know the ol' saying, "Opinions are like a.sholes, everybody has one, and no one wants to hear it." Now go f.ck yourself, or next time I'll be rude.
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trader4@optonline.net - 19 Jun 2009 14:22 GMT > In article > <917ec5c5-149e-49a8-a598-9bcf3cf45...@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > was posted was a cat-fight between a couple of nit pickers. At the least > I've up-graded your daily chatter Maybe in your view, but not in mine.
and have, at least temporarily, gotten
> rid of one spammer. You are the one doing the most here to help out the spammers. You reply to almost every one, no matter how inanae. And the more you respond, the longer the spam stays around. Capiche?
> So I think it is time that you grow up. I am here. > You have killfiles. If you don't like what you see, use them. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You seem to have opinions that have no cite, which is to say, > no value. You need to look up the definition of opinion. Last time I checked, opinions don't need any references.
>You just pull them out of your a.s. > You know the ol' saying, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Now go f.ck yourself, or next time I'll be rude. > -- Between replying to every idiotic spam post, and apparently knowing very little about LC, I think many of us are left wondering what exactly it is that you seek. Are you actually planning to do LC?
> - Billy > "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on... Billy - 19 Jun 2009 17:35 GMT In article <cfa573c5-02cf-4aad-a1de-96dc3a433db1@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> Between replying to every idiotic spam post, and apparently knowing > very little about LC, I think many of us are left wondering what > exactly it is that you seek. Are you actually planning to do LC? I guess responding to idiotic crap like the above, a.shole. Do you have anything to add to the group are are you just here to be pissy, which you do very well.
If your intent is to provoke, congratulations.
Now, if I understand correctly, the subject HERE is low carb diet, not me. Would you care to get back on topic now, or are you just going to continue to j.rk off?
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Billy - 19 Jun 2009 18:05 GMT In article <cfa573c5-02cf-4aad-a1de-96dc3a433db1@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, trader.04@optonline.net wrote:
> You are the one doing the most here to help out the spammers. You > reply to almost every one, no matter how inanae.(!!???) > And the more you > respond, the longer the spam stays around. Capiche? Vai cazzo te.
Hey, Point Zero Four, while you're up with your melancholic, pissing and moaning, why don't you chase off this Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD chump? Or is there just something about me that you find irresistible? See ya in the funny papers sweety ;O)
P.S. And, stronzo, do try to find something to say about low carb diets. That's a good boy. ------
We will now return to regular programming, because you are know by who you associate with, and if I spend anymore time with Point Zero Four, people will start thinking that we are an item. ------
Modern Parable
Mark Twain's Aunt Millie was deathly ill, so he went to see her. After she told him what her symptoms were, Mark said to her, " Aunt Millie, I had the same symptoms, and I'll tell you the same thing that the doctor told me. You're gonna hafta give up your smokin' and drinkin', and carryin' on, or you're gonna die." "But I don't smoke, or drink, or carry on, Mark", Aunt Millie said. And she died.
The point of this parable is that in times of need, it is often advantageous to have ballast, that can be thrown overboard.
Over and Out
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trader4@optonline.net - 19 Jun 2009 19:29 GMT > In article > <cfa573c5-02cf-4aad-a1de-96dc3a433...@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > B. Chung, MD/PhD chump? Or is there just something about me that you > find irresistible? See ya in the funny papers sweety ;O) Chung's posts were down to a trickle for many months, compared to your recent flood of silly replies to spam. A quick look at the last posts in threads going back 10 days shows your name 10 times. Replying to obvious crap posts, like "Air France Crash", Friends and Money", "Suicide Attack Kills Eight"..... Need I go on? Chung only shows up once.
I've been a regular contributor here for years. You're the johnny come lately, with a penchant for proliferating spam. Your refusal to answer the simple question of what exactly your interest is in low carb speaks volumes.
> P.S. And, stronzo, do try to find something to say about > low carb diets. That's a good boy. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tourhttp://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn Doug Freyburger - 18 Jun 2009 21:11 GMT > What is a weight loss registry? It's a lesson in looking stuff up in Google. In other words a lesson in doing your home work in addition to reading at least one major book in the field.
One of the reasons I didn't list my links in my response to you about sources is the ones I gathered are now old. The other reason is you need practice in looking stuff up. Books give answers. Newsgroups give homework assignments. It's deliberate in that the long term result is extreme depth of expertese on newsgroups that have long term regulars. Just read Susan's posts for several years and learn and learn and keep learning like there's never an end to it.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=national+weight+loss+registry&aq=1&oq=national+we ight+loss+&aqi=g9&fp=Yxcf45uQ1Fc
http://www.nwcr.ws/
----- The National Weight Control Registry
The National Weight Control Registry (NWCR), established in 1994 by Rena Wing, Ph.D. from Brown Medical School, and James O. Hill, Ph.D. from the University of Colorado, is the largest prospective investigation of long-term successful weight loss maintenance. Given the prevailing belief that few individuals succeed at long-term weight loss, the NWCR was developed to identify and investigate the characteristics of individuals who have succeeded at long-term weight loss. The NWCR is tracking over 5,000 individuals who have lost significant amounts of weight and kept it off for long periods of time. Detailed questionnaires and annual follow-up surveys are used to examine the behavioral and psychological characteristics of weight maintainers, as well as the strategies they use to maintaining their weight losses. -----
Another thing it is is a lesson in bias and critical thinking. For years their questionaire asked a set of questions that made it impossible to report that you'd lost weight doing low carb. As a result many successful long term low carbers blew them off and will never appear in their results. Taking this into account makes a large difference in how to view their results. Some of the results still apply to long term low carbers, but any result that describes how the successful dieters lost their weight tells of who got filtered out not what actually works.
Billy - 19 Jun 2009 20:45 GMT In article <ae726b01-8fee-46da-80ba-74e134cd7c96@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> > What is a weight loss registry? Doug, let's not do the Gurdjief thing. I have a background in science, and I can get by in a couple of languages beside English. I know how to do research, it is only that my interest in low carbs has been peeked by someone I know, so now I am trying to play catch-up. I am a student. I know how to learn, and people like you can help me facilitate that.
> It's a lesson in looking stuff up in Google. In other words a lesson > in doing your home work in addition to reading at least one major > book in the field. My fear right now is that the stack of library books on the head of my bed will shift, and I'll be buried under them. If you have ever worked with a library you know that you make your request, wait, receive the book (which usually has 20 people waiting for it), and then you read like mad while washing dishes, cleaning house, watering the garden, checking the mail, surfing the net (research), planning menus, and shopping. You know that stuff that put a big hole in your day.
> One of the reasons I didn't list my links in my response to you > about sources is the ones I gathered are now old. The other reason > is you need practice in looking stuff up. Books give answers. > Newsgroups give homework assignments. It's deliberate in that > the long term result is extreme depth of expertese on newsgroups > that have long term regulars. I've dealt with cults before, who insisted that they had a formula for learning. I learned in spite of them, not because of them.
>Just read Susan's posts for several > years and learn and learn and keep learning like there's never an > end to it. Look, you never know when you have taken the first step on a journey, and often the destination is unimportant (as you find out when you arrive), it is the journey that is important.
I take in information (sometimes only 5% of it), make my notes, and then ask new questions. I keep an open mind (I know that there are thins that I don't know), and look for discrepancies.
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=national+weight+loss+registry&aq=1&oq=national+ > weight+loss+&aqi=g9&fp=Yxcf45uQ1Fc At present, this looks like "Queen for a Day". I'm not looking for notoriety or fame, and I get seriously suspicious when I have to join before I can get in.
> http://www.nwcr.ws/ I do thank you for your time, and I hope you will continue to aid me in my exploration.
> ----- > The National Weight Control Registry [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that describes how the successful dieters lost their weight > tells of who got filtered out not what actually works.  Signature
- Billy
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Will Rogers
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