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Clues to why some continue to eat when full
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pamela - 28 Dec 2009 13:27 GMT Maybe it isn't always voluntary gluttony. A hormone based story. Ghrelin
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Researchers find clues to why some continue to eat when full
DALLAS – Dec. 28, 2009 – The premise that hunger makes food look more appealing is a widely held belief – just ask those who cruise grocery store aisles on an empty stomach, only to go home with a full basket and an empty wallet.
Prior research studies have suggested that the so-called hunger hormone ghrelin, which the body produces when it's hungry, might act on the brain to trigger this behavior. New research in mice by UT Southwestern Medical Center scientists suggest that ghrelin might also work in the brain to make some people keep eating "pleasurable" foods when they're already full.
"What we show is that there may be situations where we are driven to seek out and eat very rewarding foods, even if we're full, for no other reason than our brain tells us to," said Dr. Jeffrey Zigman, assistant professor of internal medicine and psychiatry at UT Southwestern and co-senior author of the study appearing online and in a future edition of Biological Psychiatry.
Scientists previously have linked increased levels of ghrelin to intensifying the rewarding or pleasurable feelings one gets from cocaine or alcohol. Dr. Zigman said his team speculated that ghrelin might also increase specific rewarding aspects of eating.
Rewards, he said, generally can be defined as things that make us feel better.
"They give us sensory pleasure, and they motivate us to work to obtain them," he said. "They also help us reorganize our memory so that we remember how to get them."
Dr. Mario Perello, postdoctoral researcher in internal medicine and lead author of the current study, said the idea was to determine "why someone who is stuffed from lunch still eats – and wants to eat – that high-calorie dessert."
For this study, the researchers conducted two standard behavioral tests. In the first, they evaluated whether mice that were fully sated preferred a room where they had previously found high-fat food over one that had only offered regular bland chow. They found that when mice in this situation were administered ghrelin, they strongly preferred the room that had been paired with the high-fat diet. Mice without ghrelin showed no preference.
"We think the ghrelin prompted the mice to pursue the high-fat chow because they remembered how much they enjoyed it," Dr. Perello said. "It didn't matter that the room was now empty; they still associated it with something pleasurable."
The researchers also found that blocking the action of ghrelin, which is normally secreted into the bloodstream upon fasting or caloric restriction, prevented the mice from spending as much time in the room they associated with the high-fat food.
For the second test, the team observed how long mice would continue to poke their noses into a hole in order to receive a pellet of high-fat food. "The animals that didn't receive ghrelin gave up much sooner than the ones that did receive ghrelin," Dr. Zigman said.
Humans and mice share the same type of brain-cell connections and hormones, as well as similar architectures in the so-called "pleasure centers" of the brain. In addition, the behavior of the mice in this study is consistent with pleasure- or reward-seeking behavior seen in other animal studies of addiction, Dr. Zigman said.
The next step, Dr. Perello said, is to determine which neural circuits in the brain regulate ghrelin's actions.
Kaz Kylheku - 28 Dec 2009 17:55 GMT > Maybe it isn't always voluntary gluttony. A hormone based story. Ghrelin Right; and people from thin countries somehow acquire this hormone problem when they immigrate to the USA, within one generation.
Doug Freyburger - 28 Dec 2009 23:01 GMT >> Maybe it isn't always voluntary gluttony. A hormone based story. Ghrelin > > Right; and people from thin countries somehow acquire this hormone problem > when they immigrate to the USA, within one generation. Exactly. Something in the common diet and in the commonly recommended diets make that difference.
If it were really common knowledge that X was the real cause of the obesity epidemic in western culture the popularity of X would start dropping. There are a bunch of candidates for what that X is and companies that sell it are definitely pushing it.
Once X is known, does anyone will believe that the medical community will immediately reverse their stance? "Dr X was right all along. It was a big fat lie." No way. The evidence in favor of low carb plans has been building for decades and I still get the same lame low fat line at the doctors office. I tried low fat for 20 years. The result was 20 years of unending hunger and 50 gained pounds. Low fat may work for a percentage of the population but I am definitely not one of them.
pamela - 29 Dec 2009 01:39 GMT >> Maybe it isn't always voluntary gluttony. A hormone based story. Ghrelin > > Right; and people from thin countries somehow acquire this hormone problem > when they immigrate to the USA, within one generation. You're pretty stupid not to know that pretty much everybody has ghrelin, some more than others. So, it isn't a question of people from starving countries catching it like a frigging virus.
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Kaz Kylheku - 29 Dec 2009 07:19 GMT >>> Maybe it isn't always voluntary gluttony. A hormone based story. Ghrelin >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You're pretty stupid not to know that pretty much everybody has ghrelin, > some more than others. *puzzle*.
Ah, LOL, I see! You must think that the object of ``acquire'' in my above sentence is ``hormone''. But in fact, the object is ``problem''.
The sentence does not state that the hormone is acquired, but a hormone-related problem. Moreover, the sentence is an example of sarcasm. Boy, that sure flew over someone's head!
> So, it isn't a question of people from starving > countries catching it like a frigging virus. Starving countries like, oh, Japan? Yeah, they are just dropping like flies from famine over there.
You could overcome your cultural ignorance by getting to know some newcomers. An excellent way to do that would be for you to enroll in some ESL classes! Kill two birds with one stone.
> You just got a custom filter named for you. Oh come on! If you give me another chance, I will add captioning for the mentally impaired.
Wildbilly - 28 Dec 2009 17:58 GMT Thanks for the article. It is thought provoking. Unfortunately, one of my thoughts is, if ghrelin is applicable to humans and a way is found to mute its' effects, will it ruin the rapture I have for home grown tomatoes and sweet corn?
> Maybe it isn't always voluntary gluttony. A hormone based story. Ghrelin > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > The next step, Dr. Perello said, is to determine which neural circuits > in the brain regulate ghrelin's actions.  Signature ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
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Walter Bushell - 02 Jan 2010 04:52 GMT In article <wldbilly-B9AF78.09583428122009@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Thanks for the article. It is thought provoking. Unfortunately, one of > my thoughts is, if ghrelin is applicable to humans and a way is found to > mute its' effects, will it ruin the rapture I have for home grown > tomatoes and sweet corn? People vary in ability to handle carbs. The big ones are fructose, which is in sucrose and malt as in beer.
I know the pleasure of sweet corn, put the pot of water to boil and then pick the corn, ah. And with fresh tomatoes.
Eating tomatoes or especially corn when it is killing you is absurd.
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trader4@optonline.net - 02 Jan 2010 15:36 GMT > In article > <wldbilly-B9AF78.09583428122...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Eating tomatoes or especially corn when it is killing you is absurd. Sigh.... The misinformation here lately is increasing. An ear of corn has a whopping 13g net carbs, while a medium ripe tomatoe has about 3g. Neither of these is going to kill you nor are they incompatible with a LC lifestyle. Clearly, once past induction, you could eat a couple tomatoes a day and still only be using 20% or less of your daily carb budget. With corn, if you're doing OK with your goals and enjoy one or two ears occasionally within your carb budget, it's fine too.
Walter Bushell - 04 Jan 2010 19:03 GMT In article <7411451b-5c18-4874-bcfd-63bd1112cac3@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> > In article > > <wldbilly-B9AF78.09583428122...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > goals and enjoy one or two ears occasionally within your carb budget, > it's fine too. Careful both corn and tomatoes contain fructose which is a whole 'nother thing. Corn has to be monitored more carefully than tomatoes, of course.
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Wildbilly - 05 Jan 2010 05:34 GMT > In article > <7411451b-5c18-4874-bcfd-63bd1112cac3@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Careful both corn and tomatoes contain fructose which is a whole 'nother > thing. Corn has to be monitored more carefully than tomatoes, of course. Don't forget sucrose (table sugar): 50% glucose + 50% fructose
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Doug Freyburger - 04 Jan 2010 20:25 GMT > ... a medium ripe tomatoe has > about 3g. Neither of these is going to kill you nor are they > incompatible with a LC lifestyle. Clearly, once past induction, you > could eat a couple tomatoes a day... Roma tomatoes are firm enough that if you're careful they can be eaten like an apple. Doug writes while munching on one as part of his lunch today. Most other breeds of tomato are so soft they leak when I bite into one so I slice them and eat the slices with a fork.
Doug Freyburger - 04 Jan 2010 20:18 GMT > Thanks for the article. It is thought provoking. Unfortunately, one of > my thoughts is, if ghrelin is applicable to humans and a way is found to > mute its' effects, will it ruin the rapture I have for home grown > tomatoes and sweet corn? One of the weird problems with ghrelin is it is one of the growth hormones as well as one of the hunger hormones. Control it by reducing it and a long term effect is reduced growth, whatever that means in term of only one among several growth hormones.
It suggests "moderation in everythnig including moderation itself". Of course to see how effective moderation is go to the mall and see if you see any fat people. Ask them all if they have tried moderation and judge for yourself if they suceeded or failed at it.
At a surface level ghrelin explains why the successful maintainers on the National Weight Loss Registry generally don't skip breakfast - Skipping meals tends to release ghrelin which tends to increase hunger. The successful maintainers use food to prevent hunger without also eating too much food.
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