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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / February 2010WEIGHT - Fat Loss 4 Idiots (Weight Loss & Diet Center)
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That's why many spammers conceal the destination URL using miniurl.com or tinyurl.com. Clicking on one of these links could cause all sorts of damage. Oh, be sure to bring money. Eating, you know, isn't rocket science. People have been eating for thousands of years without getting fat. Our hunter/gatherer ancestors didn't go out with shopping lists. They pretty much ate what was available, whether the stars were aligned or not, but of course they didn't eat junk food made from refined grains, corn syrup, and soy oil, that over feeds and undernourishes so many today. In article <5b5a330e-d17d-4ce4-8ad0-d6f95f831497@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > DOWNLOAD NOW!: http:// > WEIGHT - Fat Loss by Idiots [quoted text clipped - 223 lines] > low carb diets recipes > side effects of low carb diets  Signature³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261364551818&pagename=JPost%2FJPArti cle%2FShowFull http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm In article <wldbilly-394395.18051106012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > Oh, be sure to bring money. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > didn't eat junk food made from refined grains, corn syrup, and soy oil, > that over feeds and undernourishes so many today. Refined grains aren't much better; they are pretty much all glucose with a minimal amount of fibre. SignatureA computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. > In article > <wldbilly-394395.18051106012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Refined grains aren't much better; they are pretty much all glucose with > a minimal amount of fibre. And the germ, which is a source for vitamins and minerals. At least they are free from fructose. Otherwise, glucose (1) triggers insulin, which is important in fat transport, (2) causes glycation of proteins, impeding the metabolism, (3) raises Very Low Density Lipids (triglycerides) which causes atherosclerosis. So you can see that avoiding sugar spikes is a good thing. Signature"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arresting_activists http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines In article <wldbilly-0C61DD.05393230012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > > In article > > <wldbilly-394395.18051106012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > atherosclerosis. So you can see that avoiding sugar spikes is a good > thing. I've read the nutrition panels for whole grains, and I am not impressed. Perhaps the germ and husks are useful. Otherwise, it all starch which is immediately transformed into glucose. Albeit, it may be necessary to eat grains for economic reasons. :(( See _The Low Starch Diabetes Solution_ (blurbs below) <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1570767/> <http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/rob-thompson/the-low-starch-diabetes-so lution/_/R-400000000000000178795> Thesis: Aside from sodas, fruit juice, ice cream and a few other foods sugar is not the culprit, starch is, because we (Typical SAD eaters) eat much more starch than sugar (except for above). If sugar is in starchy food then it's bad. The Author does not talk about sweet and sour sources that hide the sweetness of sugar, but he does talk about cold and how it blocks the taste of sugar. Also the malt in beer, I do believe he mentions as a bad thing for diabetics and pre diabetics. SignatureA computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. > In article > <wldbilly-0C61DD.05393230012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > and how it blocks the taste of sugar. Also the malt in beer, I do > believe he mentions as a bad thing for diabetics and pre diabetics. I have to think that the "good" doctor is pandering to diabetics and over-weight people. "Dr. Thompson has changed the way we think about treating diabetes--and kept his own under control for ten years--with his focus on starch, not sugar, as the number-one cause behind this chronic condition." The preceding statement looks as if it is saying that if one gives up potatoes, you can eat ice cream. Anything beyond a very small amount of carbohydrates, including sugar, is bad for us. Additionally, fructose (hugh fructose corn syrup and table sugar) puts a strain on our livers. "The livers of the rats on the high fructose diet looked like the livers of alcoholics, plugged with fat and cirrhotic.( Forristal, Linda (Fall 2001). "The Murky World of High-Fructose Corn Syrup". Weston A. Price Foundation.) Fructose tastes sweeter than glucose, but doesn't give the feeling of satiety that glucose does, which encourages greater consumption of sugary, starchy foods ---> obesity. I'm not well enough read, yet, to know where the lower level of carb consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater your chances of extending your life. Signature"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arresting_activists http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines >> I've read the nutrition panels for whole grains, and I am not impressed. >> Perhaps the germ and husks are useful. Otherwise, it all starch which is >> immediately transformed into glucose. Thus the wonder of modern refined grain - We could buy germ and bran for ourselves and let the other folks buy the endosperm flour. We'd be getting only the good parts. Thing is I don't know of anyone who makes that as a hot cereal for breakfast or for any other purpose. The only grain germ I ever see in stores is wheat germ and being wheat intolerant I'm biased against that particular type. I've looked at oat bran at stores. Maybe I should try making a high fiber hot breakfast cereal of 3 parts whole steel cut oats and 1 part oat bran and see how I like it. It would be lower in net carbs than all steel cut oats and higher in fiber. Might be okay. >> Albeit, it may be necessary to eat grains for economic reasons. :(( Right. Farming grain allowed nomads to settle down and start making buildings. It was the starting point for the foundation of civilization. But year after year the percentage of humanity that's near starvation continues to drop. There remains the dream that as the percentage drops at some point the total poulation that is hungry will drop. And then go to zero. And then the percentage so poor they must eat livestock fodder starts dropping. And then goes to zero. It's a nice dream that no one in the world will need to eat grain for economic reasons. >> See _The Low Starch Diabetes Solution_ (blurbs below) > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > his focus on starch, not sugar, as the number-one cause behind this > chronic condition." There are complaints that American consumption of sugar has risen across the decades. It's true, but think of what the numbers would be for the consumption of starch. Those numbers would be far worse. > The preceding statement looks as if it is saying > that if one gives up potatoes, you can eat ice cream. No, it says that there are specific high sugar foods that should be dropped from the diet. His list even includes fruit juices. It looks to me like he does not approve of any food sweeter than a fig or banana. That's not as extreme as my preference for avoiding foods sweeter than pears or peaches, but it's a good start. > Anything beyond a very small amount of carbohydrates, including sugar, > is bad for us. Additionally, fructose (hugh fructose corn syrup and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > glucose does, which encourages greater consumption of sugary, starchy > foods ---> obesity. I continue to wonder if the problem with fructose is gram for gram, or if it's the fact that HFCS is cheaper so more grams of it get used than sucrose. It's also interesting that in many nations cane sugar is the cheaper sugar, but those tend to be the poorer nations still early in the obesity explosion. > I'm not well enough read, yet, to know where the lower level of carb > consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater > your chances of extending your life. Keep reading and you'll find that there are limits to lower being better. Being still over 100 you're still in the range that lower is better. By the time you get to around 50 grams per day going lower is not any better. Higher drop out rates and all sorts of other issues. To get to no carbs at all it takes an extremist approach that requires great care to get enough vitamins. The traditional cutlrues that eat like that consider seal eyeballs a delicacy for example. I'll pass. ;^) I'll have half of my plate be low carb veggies, thanks. Doug, here is an article I found quite fascinating, might interest you: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1951968-1,00.html > Doug, here is an article I found quite fascinating, might interest you: > http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1951968-1,00.html It's an article on epigenetics that discusses third generation effects from over eatings. If you want yet another motivator to get eating under control epigenetics says that it can shorten the lifespans of your grandchildren. Across modern history increasing lifespan (median, mean and mximum) has been a mostly constant upward trend. The current obesity epidemic has the potential to impact two more generations. Epigenetics is a very interesting but very new field. The basic theory of genetics was that genes coded proteins and proteins act as enzymes. An extention of that theory came when it was discovered that only a small fraction of DNA is mapped to proteins. What is the rest for? Over time it was discovered that RNA slices act as controllers for all sorts of chemical reactions. Epigenetics is a further advance dealing with how the enzymes and the controller RNA are controlled. The interesting thing about epigenetics is it's a temporary memory system built onto the DNA. Some of it gets lost with each generation. Give it enough generations and any one bit is eventually gone and replaced by new modifiers. Incidentally this further explains the concept of why hybrid vigor works on a cultural level. When colonists move to a new region they do not yet have problem reactions to local issues, so they improvise. This is not a low carb or nutritional topic though. > >> I've read the nutrition panels for whole grains, and I am not impressed. > >> Perhaps the germ and husks are useful. Otherwise, it all starch which is [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > banana. That's not as extreme as my preference for avoiding foods > sweeter than pears or peaches, but it's a good start. Look at the quote from the doctor above, "with his focus on starch, not sugar, as the number-one cause behind this chronic condition." Nothing about limiting sugar, just starch. > > Anything beyond a very small amount of carbohydrates, including sugar, > > is bad for us. Additionally, fructose (hugh fructose corn syrup and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cheaper sugar, but those tend to be the poorer nations still early in > the obesity explosion. Doug, we are in a capitalist country that subsidizes domestic sugar production. Sucrose is 50% glucose, and 50% fructose. HFCS are 45% glucose, and 55% fructose. Fructose is sweeter tasting than glucose, and doesn't trigger the feeling of satiety that glucose does. You just keep on eating, and eating, and eating. See "Sugar: The Bitter Truth", http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=16717 There are babies who are obese at 6 months. It's not because they are gluttons, and don't get enough exercise. > > I'm not well enough read, yet, to know where the lower level of carb > > consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > better. By the time you get to around 50 grams per day going lower is > not any better. Higher drop out rates and all sorts of other issues. What do these arguments have to do with nutrition, Doug? What happens at below 50 g/day? > To get to no carbs at all it takes an extremist approach that requires > great care to get enough vitamins. The traditional cutlrues that eat > like that consider seal eyeballs a delicacy for example. I'll pass. ;^) > I'll have half of my plate be low carb veggies, thanks. As mentioned in Taube's book, "Good Calorie, Bad Calories" http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm Supplemental vitamins not needed. At least you won't get "The Western Disease" (a.k.a. Metabolic Syndrome) from an Inuit diet. Signature"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arresting_activists http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines > Wildbilly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What do these arguments have to do with nutrition, Doug? What happens at > below 50 g/day? Study after study has been done about the 20 gram per day level. Some of the studies are to show that low carbing is better, some to show it's worse than other plans. The studies show both sides of that coin. Good loss, bad mood (Susan likes to write about cortisol). Thyriod T3 drops after two weeks of very low calorie dieting but that also happens with low carb dieting under specific conditions. Basically as the levels get low enough to be called extreme problems start coming up that need control that's more careful and detailed than almost any dieter is willing to do or knows to do. >> To get to no carbs at all it takes an extremist approach that requires >> great care to get enough vitamins. The traditional cutlrues that eat >> like that consider seal eyeballs a delicacy for example. I'll pass. ;^) >> I'll have half of my plate be low carb veggies, thanks. Get to the extreme of eating zero grams of carb and the control needs to include eating raw seal meat and seal eyeballs. Who would know that if they weren't raised among the Inuit? > As mentioned in Taube's book, "Good Calorie, Bad Calories" > http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm > Supplemental vitamins not needed. > At least you won't get "The Western Disease" (a.k.a. Metabolic Syndrome) > from an Inuit diet. But you don't get Metabloic Syndrome from eating lots of veggies to put you in the 50-100 gram per day range either. > > Wildbilly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm > > Supplemental vitamins not needed. Apparently, the meat doesn't need to be raw, if you aren't eating carbs, at least according to Stefansson, or Taubes. This unnerved some of my biologist friends too, so I guess it needs to be nailed down, one way or the other. > > At least you won't get "The Western Disease" (a.k.a. Metabolic Syndrome) > > from an Inuit diet. > > But you don't get Metabloic Syndrome from eating lots of veggies to put > you in the 50-100 gram per day range either. Signature"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arresting_activists http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines In article <wldbilly-CA0741.16404630012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > > In article > > <wldbilly-0C61DD.05393230012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > chronic condition." The preceding statement looks as if it is saying > that if one gives up potatoes, you can eat ice cream. Actually, he states ice cream as a special case to avoid, but yes, it's even worse than sodas. > Anything beyond a very small amount of carbohydrates, including sugar, > is bad for us. Additionally, fructose (hugh fructose corn syrup and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater > your chances of extending your life. SignatureA computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. > In article > <wldbilly-CA0741.16404630012010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Actually, he states ice cream as a special case to avoid, but yes, it's > even worse than sodas. This information isn't at the site given above for the book. "In six easy steps, you will learn to eliminate the harmful effects of dietary starch and keep your blood sugar levels perfect while enjoying satisfying amounts of delicious food (including chocolate!)." Satisfying amounts to me is a half gallon of chocolate based, gourmet ice cream, and a spoon;O) > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater > > your chances of extending your life. Signature"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arresting_activists http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines In article <wldbilly-3FBED9.15424901022010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > This information isn't at the site given above for the book. > "In six easy steps, you will learn to eliminate the harmful effects of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Satisfying amounts to me is a half gallon of chocolate based, gourmet > ice cream, and a spoon;O) I don't know if there is a satisfying amount of ice cream for me. Perhaps dark chocolate would work. SignatureA computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. |
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