Evidently a re-analysis of the Harvard Women's Study.
"So the researchers assessed data from the 34,079 women in the Women's
Health Study from 1992 to 2007."
...."adding that for heavier women, it's a "case of 'too late,' if you
will -- for a woman who has a body mass index of 25 or higher, there was
no relation between physical activity and weight change."
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http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/303/12/1173
By Kristina Fiore, Staff Writer, MedPage Today
To Stay Trim, Women Need an Hour of Exercise Daily-
Published: March 23, 2010
Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine,
University of California, San Francisco.
Video source: JAMA
Normal-weight women need 60 minutes a day of moderate exercise in order
to maintain a healthy weight, researchers said.
Those who exercised fewer than 420 minutes a week gained significantly
more weight than those who met this target, I-Min Lee, MBBS, ScD, of
Brigham & Women's Hospital in Boston, and colleagues reported in the
March 24/31 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.
For the heaviest women, however, there was no relationship between
exercise and weight gain.
"If you want to prevent your weight gain over time, you need to be
physically active at the level of 60 minutes of moderate-intensity
physical activity, so the equivalent of one hour a day of brisk walking
or 30 minutes a day of jogging or running," Lee said, adding that for
heavier women, it's a "case of 'too late,' if you will -- for a woman
who has a body mass index of 25 or higher, there was no relation between
physical activity and weight change."
Federal guidelines have recommended at least 150 minutes a week of
moderate-intensity exercise in order to gain substantial health
benefits, but it remains unclear whether that amount can also prevent
weight gain.
So the researchers assessed data from the 34,079 women in the Women's
Health Study from 1992 to 2007. Their mean age was 54 and they were all
healthy at baseline.
Over a mean follow-up of 13 years, the women gained a mean of 2.6 kg
(5.7 lbs).
The researchers found that those who exercised the most -- 420 minutes
or more a week -- gained significantly less weight than those who
exercised less than 420 minutes per week (P=0.003).
Compared with the most active group, those who exercised the least
gained an additional 0.12 kg over a three-year period, and those who
exercised between 150 and 420 minutes per week gained an additional 0.11
kg over that time, Lee said.
There was no significant difference between the two latter groups.
They also found that women getting more than 420 minutes of exercise per
week were significantly less likely to gain 2.3 kg (5.1 lbs) over a
three-year period.
In adjusted analyses, those in the group that got the least exercise
were 11% more likely to gain that amount of weight, and those expending
between 150 and 420 minutes per week were 7% more likely to do so.
"These two lesser-activity groups of women were significantly more
likely to gain weight compared with the most active group of women," Lee
said.
The researchers also found that physical activity was inversely related
to weight gain, but only among women with a body mass index (BMI) under
25. For those with a BMI greater than that, exercise had no effect on
weight control.
"[For] the women who were overweight or obese, physical activity -- with
the range done in the study -- was not sufficient to control their
weight," Lee said.
Finally, the researchers investigated how much physical activity was
done by women who successfully maintained normal weight.
A total of 13.3% of the cohort had done so by gaining less than 2.3 kg
(5.07 lbs) over the 13-year study period.
The mean activity level among this group was 21.5 "metabolic equivalent"
hours per week, or just over 60 minutes a day of moderate-intensity
exercise.
The researchers said the results "highlight two important points for
weight gain prevention."
First, once patients are overweight, they said, it may be too late for
physical activity to have any effects. Second, sustaining high levels of
exercise is needed to maintain a normal BMI.
Still, Lee cautioned not to "lose sight of the fact that any amount of
physical activity, even 150 minutes a week, is sufficient to lower the
risk of developing many chronic diseases."
They noted that the study was limited by self-report of recreational
physical activity and body weight.
However, their findings suggest that the "2008 federal recommendation
for 150 minutes per week, while clearly sufficient to lower the risks of
chronic diseases, is insufficient for weight gain prevention absent
caloric restriction."
The study was supported by grants from the National Institutes of Health.
Lee reported serving as a consultant to Virgin HealthMiles and sits on
its scientific advisory board.
The other authors reported no disclosures.
Primary source: Journal of the American Medical Association
Source reference:
Lee IM, et al "Physical activity and weight gain prevention" JAMA 2010;
303(12): 1173-79.
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> Normal-weight women need 60 minutes a day of moderate exercise in order
> to maintain a healthy weight, researchers said.
And everyone though I was abusing my wife by having her pull the plough
on the back 40.
Needless to say, my sweetie wasn't amused by this article.

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pamela - 25 Mar 2010 03:09 GMT
>> http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/303/12/1173
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>
> Needless to say, my sweetie wasn't amused by this article.
Sounds dismal, doesn't it? So much work just to stay trim.Then, you need
to ask, how "normal" were the Harvard Women's Study subjects, really?
It has been common to claim that modern overweight is at least partly
caused by modern people no longer doing manual work. So, how much manual
work should one do?
An Hour a Day?
The projections of lack of value of exercise for existing overweight
women may not hold up..... I met two ladies backpacking the Appalachian
Trail who were there for the weight loss. One had lost 75 pounds, and
the other about 50 pounds. They had backpacked/hiked about 325 miles at
that time, from Springer Mountain GA to Erwin, TN.
They, and other heavy women have complained of how hard it is to lose
weight.
My sister lost a lot of weight, maybe 100 pounds. After her heart attack.
Billy - 25 Mar 2010 05:38 GMT
> >> http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/303/12/1173
> >>
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>
> My sister lost a lot of weight, maybe 100 pounds. After her heart attack.
My wife exercises 4 to 5 hours a week. I think she is healthy, if over
weight (so am I). It doesn't matter if you are overweight or
underweight, you'll be healthier if you exercise. Having read Gary
Taubes book, we are trying to go as low carb as is convenient (100g more
or less), and we try to make it convenient. We keep whole cheese, fruit
and nuts on hand, and if I have a corn tortilla or a whole wheat
sandwich, I stuff it with a slice of turkey and as many veggies as I
can.
I have cholesterol problems, but one of the amazing things to me was
when we got access to real free range eggs, my cholesterol dropped. Over
the winter, without the eggs, it went back up again. I'm hoping to have
the same luck this year.
I guess the main thing is, get your exercise and be healthy. Don't be a
slave to the media's presentation of a perfect woman, or man. Sure the
package draws attention, but it's the contents that keeps them coming
back.

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pamela - 25 Mar 2010 12:34 GMT
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>>>> Normal-weight women need 60 minutes a day of moderate exercise in order
>>>> to maintain a healthy weight, researchers said.
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> the winter, without the eggs, it went back up again. I'm hoping to have
> the same luck this year.
The eating "wrong" eggs thing is interesting. One of the great harms of
the "anti-cholesterol" fad diet of the AHA ("Fad Diet = no research,
just belief)was considerable destruction of the egg, dairy and beef
industries.
I wish you good fortune for this year.
> I guess the main thing is, get your exercise and be healthy. Don't be a
> slave to the media's presentation of a perfect woman, or man. Sure the
> package draws attention, but it's the contents that keeps them coming
> back.
Those "Women's Magazines" constantly giving out unscientific diets, and
rehashing the USDA food pyramid are a menace to our society.
Billy - 25 Mar 2010 15:38 GMT
> <SNIP>
> >>>> Normal-weight women need 60 minutes a day of moderate exercise in order
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> Those "Women's Magazines" constantly giving out unscientific diets, and
> rehashing the USDA food pyramid are a menace to our society.
Amen, sister, amen.

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> Evidently a re-analysis of the Harvard Women's Study.
> "So the researchers assessed data from the 34,079 women in the Women's
> Health Study from 1992 to 2007."
And it's pretty clear that they made their conclusion then largely
ignored what the data actually says to express their desired conclusion.
This is not the first study anyone on ASDLC has seen like that.
> ...."adding that for heavier women, it's a "case of 'too late,' if you
> will -- for a woman who has a body mass index of 25 or higher, there was
> no relation between physical activity and weight change."
That bit is interesting. It leads to a simple conclusion that is not
mentioned. Funny how that works. The simple conclusion is that
excerise does little to help loss, a fact well established in the
dieting community, but that it does much to prevent regain.
Quoted lines from here down are from the article not from pamela.
> Normal-weight women need 60 minutes a day of moderate exercise in order
> to maintain a healthy weight, researchers said.
That's quite a conclusion unless it means that exercise is good at
preventing weight regain after loss. Some folks never gain and there is
little to indicate the exercise is the cause not the effect.
> Those who exercised fewer than 420 minutes a week gained significantly
> more weight than those who met this target, I-Min Lee, MBBS, ScD, of
> Brigham & Women's Hospital in Boston, and colleagues reported in the
> March 24/31 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.
The direction of the arrow of effect and cause is not discussed here.
> For the heaviest women, however, there was no relationship between
> exercise and weight gain.
Because exercise does little to contribute to loss when a dieter has a
lot to lose. Nothing new here.
> "If you want to prevent your weight gain over time, you need to be
> physically active at the level of 60 minutes of moderate-intensity
> physical activity, so the equivalent of one hour a day of brisk walking
> or 30 minutes a day of jogging or running,"
It's interesting that suddenly the number is actually 30 minutes. Three
cheers for programs like "Couch to 5K" and the high intensity interval
training program on Lifecycles.
> The researchers found that those who exercised the most -- 420 minutes
> or more a week -- gained significantly less weight than those who
> exercised less than 420 minutes per week (P=0.003).
Interesting tha tthe exercisers did gain anyways. The study seems to
suggest that for most gain is inevitable under normal circumstances.
That's not anything new - The "standard American diet" is a disaster.
> Compared with the most active group, those who exercised the least
> gained an additional 0.12 kg over a three-year period, and those who
> exercised between 150 and 420 minutes per week gained an additional 0.11
> kg over that time, Lee said.
>
> There was no significant difference between the two latter groups.
Eat "well", exercise plenty, gain anyways. Sigh.
> They also found that women getting more than 420 minutes of exercise per
> week were significantly less likely to gain 2.3 kg (5.1 lbs) over a
> three-year period.
Note what this actually means - There where folks who exercised mre than
they suggest who gained anyways. So much for the claim that an hour
walk will prevent gain. That's worse than what the report suggests on
the surface.
> The researchers also found that physical activity was inversely related
> to weight gain, but only among women with a body mass index (BMI) under
> 25. For those with a BMI greater than that, exercise had no effect on
> weight control.
That says that fat and fit is not a myth. On the one hand how many
folks over 400 pounds are fit. On the other hand if you've ever had
movers and a truck for a home move you will have seen 300 pound folks
moving sofas like balloons. Fat can be fit within much broader limits
than detractors are willing to see.
> Finally, the researchers investigated how much physical activity was
> done by women who successfully maintained normal weight.
>
> A total of 13.3% of the cohort had done so by gaining less than 2.3 kg
> (5.07 lbs) over the 13-year study period.
This is the most amazing bit. *One person in seven* was able to not
gain weight. Think about that. It means that *six people in seven*
gained weight.
> The mean activity level among this group was 21.5 "metabolic equivalent"
> hours per week, or just over 60 minutes a day of moderate-intensity
> exercise.
With a group that's 1-in-7 of the population, what's the chance that
it's exercise that was the causitive factor? It is far more likely that
their level of exercise is also the result of whatever the cause was.
> The researchers said the results "highlight two important points for
> weight gain prevention."
First. Pay attention to what they conclude and see if it is justified
by the data they present. For example they may completely ignore what
vast numbers of dieters over they years have established as fact, that
excerise contributes little to the actual loss in a diet but that it is
immensely valuable in maintenance.
> First, once patients are overweight, they said, it may be too late for
> physical activity to have any effects.
Second. Look to their conclusion and see what it says about their
agenda. Exercise is very good but they are conflating "never gained in
the first place" with "loss and managed to keep it off".
> Second, sustaining high levels of
> exercise is needed to maintain a normal BMI.
>
> Still, Lee cautioned not to "lose sight of the fact that any amount of
> physical activity, even 150 minutes a week, is sufficient to lower the
> risk of developing many chronic diseases."
Taking a daily "constitutional" walk is beneficial. Oh look, they have
managed to read some Jane Austin and Emily Bronte romance novels as a
part of their background research.
Billy - 25 Mar 2010 19:38 GMT
Well put Doug. Let me just add
1 slice bread = 290 kJ
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
= 290,000 joules X 1 kCal/4186 joule
= 69.3 kCal per slice of bread
Weight 130 lbs 155 lbs 190 lbs
Walking, 3.0 mph, mod. pace, walking dog 207 246 302
Walking Time/slice of bread 20 min. 17 min. 14 min
Extrapolated from http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist3.htm
If you walk at 3 mph (not a trivial speed) for an hour, you can cancel
the calories in 3 to 4 slices of bread.
Then there is that old cliche about "Working up an appetite". You may
want to eat more.
Worry about health first, then you can worry about vanity.
JUST EXERCISE
> > Evidently a re-analysis of the Harvard Women's Study.
> > "So the researchers assessed data from the 34,079 women in the Women's
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> managed to read some Jane Austin and Emily Bronte romance novels as a
> part of their background research.

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Doug Freyburger - 25 Mar 2010 22:36 GMT
> Weight 130 lbs 155 lbs 190 lbs
> Walking, 3.0 mph, mod. pace, walking dog 207 246 302
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> If you walk at 3 mph (not a trivial speed) for an hour, you can cancel
> the calories in 3 to 4 slices of bread.
Roughly - To lose a pound of fat run a marathon. Of course the training
it takes to survive running a marathon is significant enough to lose
several pounds. Argh.
> JUST EXERCISE
Where walking counts. Lot's of people deny that. There's a level of
fitness where you can walk on the flat for 30 minutes and wonder why it
counts as exercise. It's the first fitness goal for anyone below that
level.
trader4@optonline.net - 26 Mar 2010 14:18 GMT
> > Weight 130 lbs 155 lbs 190 lbs
> > Walking, 3.0 mph, mod. pace, walking dog 207 246 302
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> counts as exercise. It's the first fitness goal for anyone below that
> level.
Unfortunately, it's not as simple as how many calories one consumes vs
how many are burned doing exercise. Exercise has other effects,
including that if you exercise regularly you can replace fat mass with
muscle mass. Which is both healthier and muscle takes more calories
to support. Haven't there been studies that also show that you
metabolism remains higher following exercise, not just during it?