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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / April 2010Multigrain vs. whole wheat bread
I find I can control my weight better whenb I keep my carb intake within reasonable limits. Lately I have been enjoying the flavor and texture of multigrain bread, but have begun to wonder whether it is really good for me in the low-carb context, or even whether it fits in as a low-glycemic substitute for whole wheat bread. Does anyone know anything about how these breads differ? > I find I can control my weight better whenb I keep my carb intake within > reasonable limits. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Does anyone know anything about how these breads differ? There's a reason they feed animals grains to marble them with fat. Grains aren't good for you. And once it's been ground into flour, it's no longer a whole grain. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > There's a reason they feed animals grains to marble them with fat. That and it's taxpayer subsidized, re:cheap. Cattle were never meant to eat grains. (Mice eating meat sort of thing.) If the steers weren't slaughtered after eating grain for 6 months, they would die from ulcers. > Grains aren't good for you. Wow, an unqualified statement. I can accept grains not being the staff of life, but no good under any circumstances? Please, give me a citation. > And once it's been ground into flour, it's no longer a whole grain. Certainly, the integrity of the organism has been compromised, but it is all there. It's still better than nutrient deprived white bread. > Susan  Signaturehttp://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/6/massacre_caught_on_tape_us_military/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html >> Grains aren't good for you. > > Wow, an unqualified statement. I can accept grains not being the staff > of life, but no good under any circumstances? Please, give me a citation. I think you converted it to an unqualified statement. I'm wheat intolerant and my discussions with folks over the years tells me that unknown or undiagnosed wheat and corn allergies are about a percent of the population. Lots of people have simply told me that grains can't be bad and so I've made up being wheat intolerant. For a reference start with a chapter in one of the standard books in the low carb field - Protein Power by Drs Eades. The good doctors cite archeology texts that show when a population starts farming and eating grains the general health level of the entire population drops dramatically. That's a stronger assertion than I usually make but it's good enough as a basis for Susan's stance. Grains are carby enough to be not healthy for anyone as a staple of their diet, no matter the economic neccessity that the extremely poor need to use grain as their staple no matter the health reasons. Grains as a smaller portion of the diet is more arguable but the existance of specific grain intolerances (me) and of unknown and undiagnosed grain intolerances among my friends says that for some even small portions are bad. Extending that to all grains being bad in all quantities is an extreme stance, but it is a stance that is better justified than the USDA food pyramid that uses grains as a staple for everyone. Grains may not hurt everyone but they definitely hurt some. The down side to going grain free is smaller than the down side of doing a grain based diet. It would be very nice to find a study where grains are compared to cauliflower as a diet staple, but no scientist does such a study. The result would be too predictable and too contray to previous USDA statements to be funded. > >> Grains aren't good for you. > > > > Wow, an unqualified statement. I can accept grains not being the staff > > of life, but no good under any circumstances? Please, give me a citation. > > I think you converted it to an unqualified statement. You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? >I'm wheat > intolerant and my discussions with folks over the years tells me that [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > result would be too predictable and too contray to previous USDA > statements to be funded. Besides, the USDA job is to help farmers sell their tax subsidized crops. You mean like cauliflower and CHEESE. There aren't the calories in cauliflower to make it the staff of life. ---- Available at better libraries everywhere. http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/14000334 62/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271102831&sr=1-1 Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health (Vintage) (Paperback) ~ Gary Taubes p.194 Anything that raises blood sugar - in particular, the consumption of refined and easily digestible carbohydrates - will increase the generation of oxidants and free radicals; it will increase the rate of oxidative stress and glycation,and the formation and accumulation of advanced glycation end products. This means that anything that raises blood sugar, by the logic of the carbohydrate hypothesis, will lead to more atherosclerosis and heart disease, more vascular disorders, and a pace of accelerated degeneration, even in those of us who never become diabetic. --- Hand me the pork rinds, would ya? Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html > You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? Depends on how much Con Agra and Quaker Oats stock you own. > > You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? > > Depends on how much Con Agra and Quaker Oats stock you own. Well it would be of obscure interest to see where our Medical healers invest. http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm Gary Null seems to cause a nod of history. First do no harm seems lost in time look for "Iatrogenic Events" SignatureBill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA > > You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? > > Depends on how much Con Agra and Quaker Oats stock you own. Cute;O) The taxes we pay, subsidizes the crops that they buy cheap, with which they make calorie dense, nutritionally void, junk food. My taxes are my only connection with those . . . folk . . .ers. Oh, you forgot Archer Daniels Midland. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html In article <wildbilly-AEE7E3.19135414042010@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > > > You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My taxes are my only connection with those . . . folk . . .ers. > Oh, you forgot Archer Daniels Midland. And Cargill. SignatureA computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. > You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? Compared to cauliflower? Not good for you personally. That's the comparison that should be made, so it's the comparison I'll go with. > > You mean that grains aren't good for me, personally? > > Compared to cauliflower (4.1g/100g)? Not good for you personally. > > That's the comparison that should be made, so it's the comparison I'll > go with. Think I'll binge, and have cabbage instead (5.5g/100g). Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though I wouldn't advise having them constantly, only for an occasional sandwich. There are some flatbreads that are much better in carbs and ingredients that made fine sandwiches. | I find I can control my weight better whenb I keep my carb intake | within reasonable limits. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | | Does anyone know anything about how these breads differ? > Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though I > wouldn't advise having them constantly, only for an occasional sandwich. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > | > | Does anyone know anything about how these breads differ? Any brands to look for? Signaturehttp://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/6/massacre_caught_on_tape_us_military/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html >> Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though I >> wouldn't advise having them constantly, only for an occasional sandwich. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Any brands to look for? FlatOut is one that comes in different flavors. There are tortillas which are low carb as well. These generally sell at a premium price. > >> Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though > >> I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > FlatOut is one that comes in different flavors. There are tortillas > which are low carb as well. These generally sell at a premium price. Thanks, Jim. It looks like corn tortillas in general are good for low carbs. Local ones are 25 g/2. Their low carb tortillas, at 3 g. carbs each, have the right numbers, but gastronomically, they compete with cardboard in taste. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html >>>> Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though >>>> I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ones are 25 g/2. Their low carb tortillas, at 3 g. carbs each, have the > right numbers, but gastronomically, they compete with cardboard in taste. Maybe you don't have a grocery store with a lot of breadth of product. There are WHITE low carb tortillas and brown ones and some other colors. Mission might be the brand name.... I never remember it but recognize the stuff when I see it. They are usually expensive compared to the regular high carb wheat and corn standard tortillas. There is also "La Tortilla Factory" which has a line of flavored low carb tortillas. A long time ago, I briefly ate Corn Tortillas, partly because of low sodium content. They were filling, but not tasty. The stuff I am recommending to you is tasty and has pretty good texture. The only times I found them cheaply were when WalMart carried them in the Deli department, but after the remodeling of the stores, they dropped two tasty lines of low carb and filled up the void with Mission brand stuff. You may have to look in more places to find the good stuff, but it is around. Maybe, for some reason, not where you live, or else you haven't looked in the right places. In some stores (Schnucks chain) the "La Tortilla Factory" products are on the shelves near the artificial sweeteners. No where near the run of the mill Hispanic products. And not all tortillas are carried in the Hispanic section either. You gotta walk all over the stores sometimes because they probably don't stock the shelves in the way you think they should. You can do a Google search for this stuff, for yourself, to better determine your alternatives. Then, you can take your list and ask the store to tell you what they stock and where. You can call the stores and ask, if you want to save driving around. I'm out of suggestions. > >>>> Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some > >>>> though [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > I'm out of suggestions. Thanks for the suggestions. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html > In article <hpsebo$mi...@speranza.aioe.org>, Jim <jb...@revealed.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > ones are 25 g/2. Their low carb tortillas, at 3 g. carbs each, have the > right numbers, but gastronomically, they compete with cardboard in taste. Corn tortillas in general are NOT good for low carb. If you use one for a wrap, it's the same as making a sandwich out of two slices of white bread. In some cases, even worse. Two slices of white bread have around 25g of carbs, just like your tortilla wrap. There are a variety of LC wraps that get down to around 10g or less net carbs. The best product of that type that I found were the flax flat breads from Damascus Bakeries. One local supermarket here in NJ used to carry them, but the store closed. I haven't found them anywhere on line. Costco carries the whole wheat versions which are 10g of carb. One thing these are excellent for is making a personal pizza. You just blind bake them on a sheet pan until they just start to get golden brown at the edges. Then apply the sauce and toppings and return to the oven or broiler to just melt the cheese. > -- > - Billy > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn /HZinn_page.html- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'm glad you mentioned the Damascas flax rollups, I couldn't think of their name. I used to eat them all the time and then got off on other kicks. Got them at a fancy local veggie and specialty market. Here's their site: http://www.damascusbakery.com/#products_rollups.cfm | Corn tortillas in general are NOT good for low carb. If you use one | for a wrap, it's the same as making a sandwich out of two slices of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | golden brown at the edges. Then apply the sauce and toppings and | return to the oven or broiler to just melt the cheese. The nutrition info for the plain says 18g total cards and 6g fiber, but then right to the side it says 12g net carbs. Am I to understand that fiber is counted as carbs, but not digestible, which leads to the 12g net carbs? > I'm glad you mentioned the Damascas flax rollups, I couldn't think of their > name. I used to eat them all the time and then got off on other kicks. Got [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > | return to the oven or broiler to just melt the cheese. > | Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html No, the flax rollups say 15 total, 9 fiber, they are down in the middle of the second row. They are the ones that taste good and are best for you. Flax is good in many ways. Your understanding of the calculation is correct. In the U.S., total carbs include fiber carbs, net carbs is the difference. | In article <hpv9s9$av$1@speranza.aioe.org>, | The nutrition info for the plain says 18g total cards and 6g fiber, | but then right to the side it says 12g net carbs. Am I to understand | that fiber is counted as carbs, but not digestible, which leads to | the 12g net carbs? > No, the flax rollups say 15 total, 9 fiber, they are down in the middle of > the second row. They are the ones that taste good and are best for you. > Flax is good in many ways. Unless you're male; there's some discussion there about the estrogenic properties. I used to buy those, but found much better wraps, though those make a mean pizza crust on very high heat on a pizza stone. I buy the store brand at Waldbaum's, I think it's Master's Choice store brand. They make a rye one with caraway seeds, great rye bread sub for sandwiches. Susan >> No, the flax rollups say 15 total ... Flax is good in many ways. > > Unless you're male; there's some discussion there about the estrogenic > properties. I take it this parallels the soy issue? My take on soy is I would not want to use it as a staple of my diet (common by vegitarians) but having a meal based on soy a couple of times per month should not be a problem. > >> No, the flax rollups say 15 total ... Flax is good in many ways. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > want to use it as a staple of my diet (common by vegitarians) but having > a meal based on soy a couple of times per month should not be a problem. Yikes! Phytoestrogens Food sources According to a study by Canadian researchers about the content of nine common phytoestrogens in a Western diet, foods with the highest relative phytoestrogen content were nuts and oilseeds, followed by soy products, cereals and breads, legumes, meat products, and other processed foods that may contain soy, vegetables, fruits, alcoholic, and nonalcoholic beverages. Flax seed and other oilseeds contained the highest total phytoestrogen content, followed by soybeans and tofu.[14] The highest concentrations of isoflavones are found in soybeans and soybean products followed by legumes, whereas lignans are the primary source of phytoestrogens found in nuts and oilseeds (e.g. flax) and also found in cereals, legumes, fruits and vegetables. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[82] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Health_risks According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption. The unfermented soy category is a most problematic one. It includes soy products, such as tofu, bean curd, all soy milks, soy infant formulae, soy protein powders and soy meat alternatives, such as soy sausages/veggie burgers, made from hydrolysed soy powder. Being a legume, soy contains a high amount of phytic acid. So, what's wrong with phytic acid? Phytic acid's structure gives it the ability to bind minerals, proteins and starch, and results in lower absorption of these substances. Hence, phytic acid, in large amounts, can block the uptake of essential minerals, like calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, and especially zinc in the intestinal tract. Soy also inhibits the uptake of one of the most important minerals needed for growth and metabolism, iodine, which is used by the thyroid gland in the production of thyroid hormones. However, for non-vegetarian men, phytic acid may prove to be quite helpful, due to its binding/chelating ability with minerals. http://www.naturalnews.com/022630.html Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html > In article <hq52n4$hc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the > form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[82]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Health_risks Wikipedia, where any 7 year old can create, edit and post anything isn't a credible reference for anything. > According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The > reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to > find another big market which, of course, was human consumption. Wow, she figured that out? The reason there is so much lumber in the world is people figured out how to cut trees down, shape the wood into everything from chairs to houses and found there was a big market for lumber. > The unfermented soy category is a most problematic one. It includes soy > products, such as tofu, bean curd, all soy milks, soy infant formulae, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn /HZinn_page.html In article <a342a47c-b768-4e8f-8653-05c628b1d241@x3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, > > In article <hq52n4$hc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Wikipedia, where any 7 year old can create, edit and post anything > isn't a credible reference for anything. Do you know why the 11th Edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica is called the "scholars edition"? Hmmm? Of course you don't. Let me enlighten you. To sell encyclopedias, you need to not offend your buyers. If you offend Catholic, Protestants, or Jews, Free Masons, students, the young, the old, the rich, they won't buy your encyclopedia. Brittanica had been sold to the University of Chicago before the publication of the 11th edition, and the writers of the articles were under no constraint to hold their tongues. The market will intrude on the truth, because someone's ox is always gored with the truth. As to Wikipedia, I reommend you to http://incrediblydull.blogspot.com/2008/02/wikipedia-accuracy-and-ideolog y.html FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Wikipedia, Accuracy, and Ideology There was yet another dust up over the accuracy and appropriateness of Wikipedia in one of the mailing lists I participate in. It happens on a fairly regular basis. About once a month someone impugns the accuracy of Wikipedia -- or the critical judgement of those who cite it -- and in turn others trot out the arguments in defense: the comparison to Encyclopedia Britannica, the similarity of Wikipedia's editorial process to the peer review process of scientific journals, etc. . . . You are now free to express your twisted opinions without my commentary. > > According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The > > reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > into everything from chairs to houses and found there was a big market > for lumber. You must have a great view of your prostate from that position. I'm instantly sorry, that I took you out of my kill file. The reason there is so much lumber in the world is because it is being over cut. A forest used to run from the Atlantic coast to the Mississippi River. From the Environmental Defense Fund http://www.edf.org/documents/2346_MeasuringStateofWorldsForests.pdf "All analysts agree that the planet is indeed losing forest cover; the arguments concern the magnitude and location of these losses, and all conclude with some figure of net deforestation, commonly ranging anywhere from 50,000 to 170,000 square kilometers of forest lost per year (Myers 1980, 1991, 1992, FAO/UNEP 1981, Lanly 1982, Houghton 1991, FAO 1993, Grainger 1996). During the 1970s through 1990s tropical deforestation rates were far greater than in any time in recorded history (Williams, 1989; Houghton et al. 2000) Deforestation pressures vary from region to region due to the political, economic and cultural elements working against the environment and the particular type forest cover and forest species in that region. From the UN Food and Agriculture Organization http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/40893/icode/ 25 March 2010, Rome - World deforestation, mainly the conversion of tropical forests to agricultural land, has decreased over the past ten years but continues at an alarmingly high rate in many countries, FAO announced today. Globally, around 13 million hectares of forests were converted to other uses or lost through natural causes each year between 2000 and 2010 as compared to around 16 million hectares per year during the 1990s, according to key findings of FAO's most comprehensive forest review to date The Global Forest Resources Assessment 2010. The study covers 233 countries and areas. and ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/011/i0350e/i0350e00c.pdf It is impossible to know when the global economy will begin to recover. However, such crises also offer opportunities to chart new paths of development. The forest sector could benefit from the pursuit of a ³green path² to development through building up of natural resource capital (e.g. through afforestation and reforestation and increased investments in sustainable forest management), generation of rural employment and active promotion of wood in green building practices and renewable energy. Certainly, this change of path will require fundamental institutional changes, but the crisis may bring about greater willingness to accept and implement long-overdue reforms. > > The unfermented soy category is a most problematic one. It includes soy > > products, such as tofu, bean curd, all soy milks, soy infant formulae, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtra > > veler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html I'm late in this thread, but a comment on the subject-line, multigrain vs. whole wheat bread. Depends on the context of the line, nutrition or weight control. If you are asking about nutrition, a variety of grains is better, but how much better depends on an individual's needs/metabolism. If you are concerned about weight control (or are a Diabetic) and bread, the REAL issue is the carbs in bread. High carbs in ANY bread is due to processing of the flour, and the majority of breads on the market use processed flour (white, wheat, multigrain, whatever). Need to control your weight, or are a Diabetic (like me), and want to eat bread? Find a brand that does NOT use processed flour, they will have much lower carbs. I use a local (San Diego, CA) store/brand, their "Smart Carb 1": http://www.julianbakery.com/ Click the pic "Smart Carb 1" on their home page, and you get the page with the Nutrition Label: 1 NET Carb per slice. I get 3 at a time, freeze 2 for later, refrigerate the other. It's an all-natural bread and last longer this way. They ship by the way. -- ==== Tecknomage ==== Be mindful that happiness isn't based on possessions, power, or prestige, but on relationships with people we love and respect. Remember that while money talks, CHOCOLATE SINGS! > I use a local (San Diego, CA) store/brand, their "Smart Carb 1": > http://www.julianbakery.com/ [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I get 3 at a time, freeze 2 for later, refrigerate the other. It's an > all-natural bread and last longer this way. I've bought many loaves. They're more like 20 gms or more of carb per slice, from the results on my glucose meter. The high fiber means that the bg rise is a bit slower, but it's anywhere from 30-40 points. And it happens when it's the only thing I eat, or have it with a slice of cheese. Never happens with truly low carb breads. Susan > I'm late in this thread, but a comment on the subject-line, multigrain > vs. whole wheat bread. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > relationships with people we love and respect. > Remember that while money talks, CHOCOLATE SINGS! <http://www.julianbakery.com/products.html?iID=3207&dID=505&pdID=505&Dept Name=Breads&ProdName=(A)%20Smart%20Carb%20No%201%20(Net%201%20Carb)&index =1&detail=yes> Smart Carb No 1 (Net 1 Carb) Price: $7.99 Ingredients: Sprouted Whole Grains of *kamut(R), *spelt, *wheat, *rye, *millet, lentils, eggs, organic non-gmo soy milk protein, flax, sesame, *quinoa, *amaranth, wheat gluten, 7 grain flakes, oat bran, sea salt & yea Servings Per Loaf: Approximately 14 Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 1 Slice Amount Per Serving: Calories: 109 Total Fat: 1g = 9 cal Carbs: 13g = 52 cal includes 12g dietary fiber Protein: 12g = 48 cal ------------------------- Total = 109 cal ---- http://www.alvaradostreetbakery.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Pr oduct_Code=10296&Category_Code=bread Diabetic Lifestyles Low Glycemic for Diabetics Price: $2.29 Nutrition Facts & Allergen Chart (allergen Chart not shown) Ingredients: Sprouted Organic Whole Wheat Berries, Filtered Water, Wheat Gluten, Organic Dates, Organic Raisins, Sea Salt, Fresh Yeast, Soy based lecithin, Cultured Wheat. Servings Per Loaf: 20 Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 1 Slice Amount Per Serving: Calories: 80 Total Fat: 0g = 0 cal Net Carbs:15g = 60 cal includes 2g dietary fiber 2g sugar Protein: 5g = 20 cal ------------------------- Total = 80 cal ------ Huh? Julian Bakery 13 carbs/109 cal per slice @ $7.99/loaf Alvarado St. Bakery 15 carbs/80 cal per slice @ $2.29/loaf Apparently, dietary fiber is counted as calories. I thought we were subtracting them from the total carbs, and only counting net carbs. What's up with that? In any event, I just remembered why I left southern California. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html > I take it this parallels the soy issue? Not at all. The soy issue for men was wrt isolated soy proteins, I believe, not whole or fermented soy. And it involved dementia by association, not a standard of proof. Flax is alleged to increase prostate cancer. Susan > No, the flax rollups say 15 total, 9 fiber, they are down in the middle of > the second row. They are the ones that taste good and are best for you. > Flax is good in many ways. I had been looking at the plain rollups. My understanding is that heat destroys omega-3s. Am I wrong in this presumption? > Your understanding of the calculation is correct. In the U.S., total carbs > include fiber carbs, net carbs is the difference. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > | the 12g net carbs? > | Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html > Corn tortillas in general are NOT good for low carb. Being wheat intolerant I'm stuck with them anyways if I'm going to use something as a pizza crust. All of the low carb wraps I have seen so far are wheat based. >> Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though I >> wouldn't advise having them constantly, only for an occasional sandwich. >> There are some flatbreads that are much better in carbs and ingredients that >> made fine sandwiches. > > Any brands to look for? Being wheat intolerant I can't have most of the soft and fluffy breads. I like various brands of rye crsipbreads. Wasa Light Rye is the lowest total carb of the ones I've tried. Ryecrisp has small slices but it's pressed to make it thinner but that also makes it denser. I also like 100% rye steamed bread that's made in Danmark and Germany. Various brands. The slices are thin because it's heavy and it would be very carby with thick slices. I've tried fluffy rice based breads like from N-ergy but they don't have enough flavor for me. Carbs without flavor isn't my target. ;^( > >> Read the label, if the carbs fit into your limit you can have some though > >> I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I like various brands of rye crsipbreads. Wasa Light Rye is the lowest > total carb of the ones I've tried. What is the surface area (a X b) of the bread? > Ryecrisp has small slices but it's > pressed to make it thinner but that also makes it denser. > > I also like 100% rye steamed bread that's made in Danmark and Germany. > Various brands. Another good idea. Thanks. >The slices are thin because it's heavy and it would be > very carby with thick slices. > > I've tried fluffy rice based breads like from N-ergy but they don't have > enough flavor for me. Carbs without flavor isn't my target. ;^( Life without flavor ;^( Presently constructing my sandwiches with whole wheat. I was losing weight with it for awhile, but I seem to have found a plateau. It was a useful trip to a.s.d.l.c. today. Thanks to all. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html >> I like various brands of rye crsipbreads. Wasa Light Rye is the lowest >> total carb of the ones I've tried. > > What is the surface area (a X b) of the bread? Wasa crisps are about 3 inches by 6 inches. About the same size as other crisp breads like Stoned Wheat Thins or Ak Mok. They are not as low in carbs as I would like but they are more fiber and less starch than most of the easily found options and they are wheat free. Wasa makes several other recipes that are the same size with different grains. > I find I can control my weight better whenb I keep my carb intake > within reasonable limits. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Does anyone know anything about how these breads differ? Go to USDA National Nutrient Database http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ Do this with 2 separate browser tabs so that you can compare whole wheat bread with wheat bread. For "Keyword(s)": enter "bread" For Select Food Group: choose "Baked Products" Then, using separate browser tabs, choose whole wheat in one, and wheat in the other. You'll see that there are about 6 grams more carbs in wheat bread than in whole wheat bread. You'll also see that whole wheat has much more in vitamins and minerals, except for the half dozen vitamins and minerals that bakeries are obliged by law to add. Over all, bread isn't low card, but it is the carb total at the end of the day that counts. No foul, no penalty. Signaturehttp://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/6/massacre_caught_on_tape_us_military/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html It depends on the brand and the size of their slices, you're much better off reading the label. Different recipes. | Go to USDA National Nutrient Database | http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | isn't low card, but it is the carb total at the end of the day that | counts. No foul, no penalty. > It depends on the brand and the size of their slices, you're much better off > reading the label. Different recipes. I agree. And for purposes of carb control, the net carb counts from the labels are what you want to compare. |
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