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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / May 2010I was put to test today and I...
passed! I bragged to everyone I know that I've lost a lot of pounds by greatly reducing the carbs. People seem to be faster to let you know that you gained weight than when you lose it... It's more fun to humiliate someone than encouraging him, I guess. Anyway, pieces of cake were distributed today at work. They did everything to convince me to have one or more pieces. I said, "No thanks. Giving me cake is liking offering a beer to a friend who is A.A." I'm very happy with me! On Apr 28, 9:20 pm, "mikesmith9...@hotmail.com" <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote: > passed! I bragged to everyone I know that I've lost a lot of pounds by > greatly reducing the carbs. People seem to be faster to let you know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thanks. Giving me cake is liking offering a beer to a friend who is > A.A." I'm very happy with me! Good for you. It's amazing how many people can know you're on a diet and then try to force some food of their choosing on you. I've never been able to figure out the psychological motivations behind this. And I liked the beer analogy. It's something everyone should use. Just to be clear, one slice of cake would not regain all your lost weight. However, that depends on how many more carb-laden foods would be triggered by that single slice of cake. That's where portion control comes into play. Some people are so addicted to carbs that even one taste sends them spiraling downwards back into old eating habits. Others can have that single occasional slice of cake and continue on plan for the rest of the day. I'm just trying to give you some options here. If you feel you can have a slice of cake without slipping back into a carb-centered diet, you might consider enjoying it next time. Orlando I find it helps to think of sugar and flour and their yummy products as poison to me. If you eat some and it doesn't hurt you then you think you can eat more. I confess I slip once in a while, like a little left over Halloween candy, but it's better to just keep the attitude that "I don't eat that." | Just to be clear, one slice of cake would not regain all your lost | weight. However, that depends on how many more carb-laden foods would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Orlando >I find it helps to think of sugar and flour and their yummy products as >poison to me. If you eat some and it doesn't hurt you then you think you >can eat more. I confess I slip once in a while, like a little left over >Halloween candy, but it's better to just keep the attitude that "I don't eat >that." I understand how that all-or-nothing approach helps people, but it intimidates and discourages me. My goal in life is not to be the kind of eater who avoids carbs at all costs. There are plenty of culturally and aesthetically significant situations in which carbs form a vital part of the foods consumed; I don't want to be excluded from those situations. In other words, it doesn't help my weight loss to resolve never to eat cake, bread, potatoes, pasta or rice. On the contrary, it helps to know that I can have these treats occasionally and in limited portions, while I can eat as many proteins and low glycemic vegetables as I need to satiate my hunger. But allowing myself the occasional carby treat doesn't translate to inattention about portion sizes and meal balances. For instance, I don't eat carbs by themselves and never let the portion of carbs exceed protein and vegetables. I also don't include carbs in one set daily meal as the CAD or Heller diet advocates. Rather, I become judicious about which carby delicacies will get my attention. Whereas before, I would scarf down nearly any food I could find that didn't contain melted cheese, cream or most fish, I'm now much pickier. So, at the original poster's work party, I would have scoped out the cake and tried to ascertain where or how it was baked and if quality ingredients were used. I wouldn't have wasted my carbs on a mass produced factory cake from a box store. I similarly don't waste carbs on fast foods, convenience foods or foods from questionable establishments that don't prepare them with any care for quality. Orlando > >I find it helps to think of sugar and flour and their yummy products as > >poison to me. If you eat some and it doesn't hurt you then you think you [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > meal balances. For instance, I don't eat carbs by themselves and never let the > portion of carbs exceed protein and vegetables. So, what would you do when the office jerk is trying to shove that piece of cake in your mouth? Tell him it's OK, but you have to go out and get some steak and vegs to go with it? > I also don't include carbs in > one set daily meal as the CAD or Heller diet advocates. Rather, I become [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Orlando Seems to me scoping out the situation and making his judgement is exactly what he did. How many office cakes have you typically seen that were that great? I think Mike's real point is how annoying it is to have some people around that insist you have to eat what they want you to eat. Why people do this remains a mystery, but I think Mike's answer to them was a good one. >So, what would you do when the office jerk is trying to shove that >piece of cake in your mouth? Tell him it's OK, but you have to go >out and get some steak and vegs to go with it? Given the probable lack of quality in that office cake, I would have declined. >Seems to me scoping out the situation and making his judgement is >exactly what he did. How many office cakes have you typically seen >that were that great? Not many. >I think Mike's real point is how annoying it is to have some people >around that insist you have to eat what they want you to eat. Why >people do this remains a mystery, but I think Mike's answer to them >was a good one. I agree and was never suggesting that Mike's answer should have been different. He scoped out the situation and decided to decline the cake as I so often do. I was just letting him know that in other cases when the carb is of good quality or especially appetizing, he can probably have some without derailing his success. Orlando > >So, what would you do when the office jerk is trying to shove that > >piece of cake in your mouth? Tell him it's OK, but you have to go [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Orlando We're not going to open a confessional, or anything weird, are we?  Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html > I understand how that all-or-nothing approach helps people, but it intimidates > and discourages me. My goal in life is not to be the kind of eater who avoids > carbs at all costs. For some people specific foods or foods over some glycemic load do have to be avoided at all costs or they get driven off the plan. For some people they can eat anything on occasion and not get driven off the plan. Thinking you fall in one class or the other is just a guess. It's something that has to be tried and learned for certain by experiment. And it's not just binary on or off. There are shades of gray in between that may need to be learned. > > I understand how that all-or-nothing approach helps people, but it intimidates > > and discourages me. My goal in life is not to be the kind of eater who avoids [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And it's not just binary on or off. There are shades of gray in between > that may need to be learned. I agree completely. It also makes a big difference where you are in terms of a plan like Atkins. If you're only a month into it and have 50lbs more to lose it's a lot different than if you're at goal weight and in maintenance. In the first instance, you have a lot to lose, (no pun) in terms of screwing up the whole thing. In the latter case, you know how your body reacts and a few days or a week of eating the wrong stuff you can likely recover from without a long term screw- up. An example for me personally is when I'm traveling on vacation. If I'm in Paris or Italy, while I still choose a lot of LC type food, I'm also not going to deny myself some delicious desserts, some lasagna, and pizza. I think we are all on the same page here on this one. > > I understand how that all-or-nothing approach helps people, but it intimidates > > and discourages me. My goal in life is not to be the kind of eater who avoids [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And it's not just binary on or off. There are shades of gray in between > that may need to be learned. I'm sure they did not mean wrong; they just don't know how much just one piece of cake can screw up my plan. I don't trust myself yet to eat that stuff yet. I'm sure I would have gotten more than one. Possibly 3 or 4. After that, I would have gone to Tim Horton's and get one or two of wonderful dougnuts. Then the water retention for a few days. And then two bagles the next day... If I go ahead with a dessert, I will be extremely selective and it will be on my own time when I know I have the discipline to have only one piece, but a high- quality one. >I'm sure they did not mean wrong; they just don't know how much just >one piece of cake can screw up my plan. I don't trust myself yet to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >when I know I have the discipline to have only one piece, but a high- >quality one. I'm very proud of you for being this honest with yourself and with us complete strangers. It's unfortunately very easy to turn one piece of cake into a high- carb binge lasting days, weeks or months. But, the other side is also true; I know because I've been there. I've had that piece of cake, sometimes just a bite, and continued on plan without backsliding. I just want you to know that when and if you're ready, that option is always open to you if you think you can handle it. Orlando > mikesmith9...@hotmail.com <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >I'm sure they did not mean wrong; they just don't know how much just [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Orlando Thanks for your support, Orlando. Soon or late, I will try a piece of these "foods of the devil". I'm going to my family in a few months. They always have them. It's gonna be hard because I'm not the one who will do the cooking. As much as possible, I will eat the food I know will not hurt me. I expect people rising eyebrows on some of the things I love to eat like banana with natural peanut butter. Absolutely to avoid: Milk! It surely makes me overeat! On Apr 29, 11:41 pm, "mikesmith9...@hotmail.com" <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > mikesmith9...@hotmail.com <mikesmith9...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >I'm sure they did not mean wrong; they just don't know how much just [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > things I love to eat like banana with natural peanut butter. > Absolutely to avoid: Milk! It surely makes me overeat! There's also a lot of desserts besides cake and there are many that are or can be made LC. Also, I like the Breyers LC ice cream. It does contain some sugar alcohols, which is another issue we, but if used in moderation, it can be fine. An example would be some fresh strawberries with a couple scoops of vanilla. I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with negligible carbs/calories. | There's also a lot of desserts besides cake and there are many that | are or can be made LC. Also, I like the Breyers LC ice cream. It | does contain some sugar alcohols, which is another issue we, but if | used in moderation, it can be fine. An example would be some fresh | strawberries with a couple scoops of vanilla. > I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with negligible > carbs/calories. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > | used in moderation, it can be fine. An example would be some fresh > | strawberries with a couple scoops of vanilla. And no Aspartame, right? ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET®) ADDICTION http://www.dorway.com/tldaddic.html Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html Splenda instead. | And no Aspartame, right? | | ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET®) ADDICTION | http://www.dorway.com/tldaddic.html > Splenda instead. > > | And no Aspartame, right? > | > | ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET®) ADDICTION > |http://www.dorway.com/tldaddic.html Interesting, I'll have to look for them. Who makes the SF popsicles? There are several kinds, my favorites are Ice Pix from Kroger, they show a few carbs but I think those are from sugar alcohols which make them softer than the ones with just Splenda. || Splenda instead. || [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | | Interesting, I'll have to look for them. Who makes the SF popsicles? >> I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with >> negligible [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET®) ADDICTION > http://www.dorway.com/tldaddic.html Aspartame works fine for me. Cheri > >> I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with > >> negligible [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheri So you recommend them? Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html >> >> I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with >> >> negligible [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > So you recommend them? I eat LC treats once in awhile. They don't cause me to binge or anything, but can't speak for others. Cheri > >> >> I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with > >> >> negligible [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Cheri I find the claim of addiction silly for aspartame, but I do have a knee jerk reaction to man made chemicals in my food. Just an idiocentricity on my part, I presume. Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine found that individuals with mood disorders are particularly sensitive to this artificial sweetener, and its use in this population should be discouraged. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame#Safety_controversy With all the other problems in the world, this would seem to be minor. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html >> I eat LC treats once in awhile. They don't cause me to binge or anything, >> but can't speak for others. With the furor over aspartame who'd think the majority of people have some issue with it. No, only a small minority. > I find the claim of addiction silly for aspartame, You have not yet encountered someone who gets a couple of weeks of headaches worse than caffeine withdrawal when they stop taking aspartame. That happens with my wife. She's in the small minority who have problems with aspartame. > With all the other problems in the world, this would seem to be minor. It happens enough that Dr A included it in the Q-n-A section of his 1999 edition. It occurs often enough to consider it a suspect when there are problems. I have no idea what percentage that is, probably closer to 1% than to any higher number. > >> I eat LC treats once in awhile. They don't cause me to binge or anything, > >> but can't speak for others. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > problems. I have no idea what percentage that is, probably closer to 1% > than to any higher number. What exactly did Atkins say about aspartame addiction or withdrawl? I only recall him saying that from his clinical experience he believed it could inhibit weight loss in some people and that he prefered other artificial sweetners. Regarding the alleged evils of aspartame, using Wikipedia, which anyone with any agenda can freely edit, is not a compelling source. In particular, the study cited that showed an adverse reaction in psychiatric patients was a study of a whopping 14 patients, including the control group. They halted it because of alleged adverse reactions, which means it's based on the results of just a very few individuals. It would seem to me that if aspartame was causing this severe of a reaction in mental patients with depression, it would be widely observed and acknowledged by others by now. > I recently got hooked on sugar free popsicles, a nice treat with negligible > carbs/calories. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > | used in moderation, it can be fine. An example would be some fresh > | strawberries with a couple scoops of vanilla. How about those sugarless"fudges"? I'm not sure of the word in English. It's frozen chocolate milk on a stick. It's easy to have the whole container of six. I haven't seen any of those. We call them fudgesicles here. | How about those sugarless"fudges"? I'm not sure of the word in | English. It's frozen chocolate milk on a stick. It's easy to have the | whole container of six. > I haven't seen any of those. We call them fudgesicles here. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > | English. It's frozen chocolate milk on a stick. It's easy to have the > | whole container of six. I have not had one in about 16 years. They were pretty good back then. They possibly got better. > | How about those sugarless"fudges"? I'm not sure of the word in > | English. It's frozen chocolate milk on a stick. It's easy to have the > | whole container of six. > > I haven't seen any of those. We call them fudgesicles here. In the US the low fat fudgesicles tend to be filled with chemicals. That's a hint that the sugarless ones might be made with chemicals as well. Read the labels and go in knowing what you're eating - I am not anti-chemical but I am against not having any idea what your food is made of because you forgot to read the label. > Thanks for your support, Orlando. Soon or late, I will try a piece of > these "foods of the devil". I'm going to my family in a few months. Atkins is a process that teaches you what foods your body can and can't handle. Whether you're on Atkins or not I suggest looking up the "carb ladder" on the www.atkinscenter.com web site - It suggests what order to try ingredients as you progress through the phases and experiment to find you're body's limits. The "carb ladder" lists whole grains near the end so refined grains and added sugar or off the ladder on the far end. > Absolutely to avoid: Milk! It surely makes me overeat! For me it's wheat that is my worst binge trigger. Feed me some wheat and I end up eating everything in reach. Plus corn as a more subtle slippery slope item. Feed me some and the next day I'm more hungry. Plus sugar alcohols don't work for me. If I have sugar alcohol candy the next day I sneak real candy. Yet I can handle tiny amounts like a stick of gum. I had one large chocolate bar yesterday and two small ones today! lol. It did not provide me the usual comfort, though. It even bothered my stomach. I felt a bit like throwing up. It seems to be so heavy. Yet, I could have easily stomached 5 bars Jersey Milks last year! Now two is huge!!! I will don't think I will ever have a whole bar again. One or two pieces will probably be enough. In article <f72714cb-7929-413e-8c54-0c606e98fd38@a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, > I had one large chocolate bar yesterday and two small ones today! lol. > It did not provide me the usual comfort, though. It even bothered my > stomach. I felt a bit like throwing up. It seems to be so heavy. Yet, > I could have easily stomached 5 bars Jersey Milks last year! Now two > is huge!!! I will don't think I will ever have a whole bar again. One > or two pieces will probably be enough. This comes as no surprise. OTOH, some people handle sugar like alcoholics handle alcohol. One drink and its a bender. (Though not indeed for all alcoholics.) SignatureA computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. |
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