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JK Coney - 06 May 2010 03:48 GMT
I guess this is for the remaining few that read and post here. I've been
LCing for 10 years. I do have an impressive net loss, but inside of that, I
still have trouble keeping it off and continuing to the number I want.  I
wonder if you folks that disect all these studies, and preach the Atkins
gospel, are able to maintain your goal weight? My problem is that I become
so totally sedentary in the winter months. I lost 30 lbs last summer, and
have put back 15. I started up again, and have already lost 5 lbs in the
first 5 days. What works for you long term?

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Jim - 06 May 2010 14:19 GMT
>    I guess this is for the remaining few that read and post here. I've been
> LCing for 10 years. I do have an impressive net loss, but inside of that, I
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> have put back 15. I started up again, and have already lost 5 lbs in the
> first 5 days. What works for you long term?

Dr. Eades has addressed this problem in his books several times.

"Climb back on the wagon whenever you fall off."

I suppose that the other advice is:

"Don't fool yourself about falling off the wagon".

You fell off the wagon when you became totally sedentary.

For most folks, repeating the same thing often enough is instructive.

This has nothing to do with analysis of studies.
It has nothing to do with preaching the Atkins gospel.

It has a lot to do with following the plan almost all of the time, not
taking a Winter break or other seasonal break.

If you can't stay on the wagon, the "Way of Eating", then climb back on
whenever you fall off.  With practice, you become good at it and the
weight gains before you again come to your senses are much smaller.
JK Coney - 07 May 2010 17:43 GMT
> If you can't stay on the wagon, the "Way of Eating", then climb back on
> whenever you fall off.  With practice, you become good at it and the
> weight gains before you again come to your senses are much smaller.

  I do see a net loss pattern with the ups and downs over the last 10
years.  I think you're right in that I can now get back into it sooner than
before. Hitting 60 has made getting back into exercise that much harder on
my body each time. Glad to see you're all pretty much into the same up and
down pattern, perhaps not as severe as mine. The thing I am seeing is that I
don't need to be nearly as restrictive on my carb level as I had been 10
years ago to lose weight well. I can eat small amounts of fruit, whole
wheat, brown rice, and sugar free candy and ice cream now. My guess is that
I've gone from less than 20 carbs a day then, to less than 50 now. Maybe
when I hit a wall, I'll need to scale back more?

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Jim - 08 May 2010 01:27 GMT
>> If you can't stay on the wagon, the "Way of Eating", then climb back on
>> whenever you fall off.  With practice, you become good at it and the
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> I've gone from less than 20 carbs a day then, to less than 50 now. Maybe
> when I hit a wall, I'll need to scale back more?

In a few months, I'll be 70. I get a lot of exercise and go to the YMCA
about 4 times a week. It is convenient to do grocery errands along with
the exercise trip as there are two large grocery stores within a few
blocks from the YMCA and a nice Walgreens too.

I do much more exercise at nearly 70 than I did when I was about 60.
Lots of things I used to do with difficulty are now done easily. I am
stronger and more fit, and my body looks much better as well as my face.
 I feel great as well.

I recently reconnected with some of my High School buddies and we
exchanged pictures. I wondered who these old men were when I got the
pictures. They remarked on how well I looked.

You sound like you were one of those that elected to stay on induction
(the 20 gm carbs/day) in the false belief that this will help you lose
more weight.

Doug's favorite message is that staying on induction forever isn't good
for you.

I'll let him tell you the story in his own words. If he doesn't
automatically do it in response to this message, then ask him directly.

Atkins tells you to find a nice weight loss rate by increasing carbs
progressively from the 20 or so of induction. According to the 20 gram
statement above, you may have skipped that step. On the other hand,
maybe you didn't, but your body digestive process has aged in some way
that you are more carb tolerant with regard to weight loss. I don't know.

At age 60, I had a number of casual acquaintences of about my age and we
were all pretty ambulatory. Virtually none of them exercised much, and
they are far less ambulatory, especially the smokers. None of them would
ever think of going bicycling with me.

Not everyone can maintain good ambulatory status as we age, but there
are things some of us can do about it.  I'd think about taking on that
Winter sedentary nature as a project.
JK Coney - 08 May 2010 03:37 GMT
> In a few months, I'll be 70. I get a lot of exercise and go to the YMCA
> about 4 times a week. It is convenient to do grocery errands along with
> the exercise trip as there are two large grocery stores within a few
> blocks from the YMCA and a nice Walgreens too.

 Wife and I are looking forward to retirement when we will have time to
really exercise regularly, in a warmer climate! It may sound simplistic, but
I honestly think that it's the cold dreary weather that keeps me on the
couch. When it warns up I have no trouble getting out there. I hate
treadmill and the gym, and can't get motivated by anything else. Right now
things are going well. Losing weight and back walking and playing
basketball.

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Jim - 08 May 2010 04:48 GMT
>> In a few months, I'll be 70. I get a lot of exercise and go to the YMCA
>> about 4 times a week. It is convenient to do grocery errands along with
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> things are going well. Losing weight and back walking and playing
> basketball.

I know about cold dreary winter weather. But I resolved to learn how to
be comfortable exercising outside during cold weather. I wish I had a
dollar for every time somebody has said....

"Kind of cold to be riding a bike, ain't it?" or
"Kind of cold to be out for a walk, ain't it?" or
........................................
Doug Freyburger - 10 May 2010 15:19 GMT
>>    I do see a net loss pattern with the ups and downs over the last 10
>> years.  I think you're right in that I can now get back into it sooner than
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> Doug's favorite message is that staying on induction forever isn't good
> for you.

Already being at 50 and currently losing the issues with staying at 20
don't apply.

But when/if there's a stall dropping carbs is only one strategy among
many to try.
JK Coney - 12 May 2010 16:21 GMT
  I'm down 8.5 lbs in 12 days. LC works much better with increased activity
and some portion control.

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FOB - 06 May 2010 15:37 GMT
I am always totally sedentary and that isn't going to change.  In June of
2003 my brother gave me the Atkins book and Protein Power.  I decided I
would try low carbing, not good at following strict directions like Atkins,
so I just cut way down on carbs.  I immediately started losing weight.  By
December 2004 I was down 60 pounds.  I hovered around that weight for a
couple of years then started gaining, up about 15 pounds total.  Early this
year I started feeling not too good, was diagnosed with gall stones that I
still haven't had out, but I lost my appetite  and am now down a total of 88
pounds and still losing.  I never quit low carbing,  I'm pretty sure I have
never gone over 100g in any one day in all that time and those days are
extremely rare, but it is possible to gain on low carb if you eat enough.  I
don't eat certain things, they just aren't on my menu or in my house.  My SO
gets things like potatoes and rice with some of our meals as he loses weigh
very easily, has never been overweight, forgets to eat.  I have never been
very fond of pasta so cutting it out was easy for me.

|    I guess this is for the remaining few that read and post here.
| I've been LCing for 10 years. I do have an impressive net loss, but
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| started up again, and have already lost 5 lbs in the first 5 days.
| What works for you long term?
Doug Freyburger - 06 May 2010 19:17 GMT
> I am always totally sedentary and that isn't going to change.

I go through phases exercising regularly and not exercising.  There's no
pleasure in it directly not I am less tired when I am exercising so the
benefits are clear.

This phase we bought a Wii with Wii Sport/Fit/Active.  My wife is doing
workouts on the balance board and we're playing sports against each
other most nights.  It's exercise plus quality time as a couple.

> ...  Early this
> year I started feeling not too good, was diagnosed with gall stones that I
> still haven't had out, but I lost my appetite

Low carbing should prevent gallstones because it's relatively high fat.
Dietary fat causes the gall bladder to release bile/gall into the
intestines so it gets exercise.  Low carb can't address any that existed
before starting.  Low fat gives lack of exercise for the gall bladder
and a chance for the stones to build up.  There are other causes by that
is one of the less well known disadvantages to low fatting.

> | What works for you long term?

For my maintenance phase it's as simple as nothing sweeter than a peach
or pear, nothing starchier than a rutabaga or carrot.  If I eat more
than a very small amount or anything sweeter or starchier I have a very
hard time getting back on the wagon.
FOB - 06 May 2010 20:01 GMT
I have never done low fat.  I think the gall bladder thing is very strange
because I never have pain from it, I had a slight soreness all down the
right side of my abdomen which is why I went to emergency in the first
place.  I thought I might have appendicitis.  But everyone talks about
painful attacks which I never had.  They do say age is a factor and I'm 74.

I have always hated exercise and now it hurts so it's not going to happen.

| I go through phases exercising regularly and not exercising.  There's
| no pleasure in it directly not I am less tired when I am exercising
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| doing workouts on the balance board and we're playing sports against
| each other most nights.  It's exercise plus quality time as a couple.

| Low carbing should prevent gallstones because it's relatively high
| fat. Dietary fat causes the gall bladder to release bile/gall into the
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| more than a very small amount or anything sweeter or starchier I have
| a very hard time getting back on the wagon.
trader4@optonline.net - 07 May 2010 13:47 GMT
>    I guess this is for the remaining few that read and post here. I've been
> LCing for 10 years. I do have an impressive net loss, but inside of that, I
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> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

I fluctuate up and down by about 20lbs., 180 to 200.   There are
periods when I wind up going off LC.  The solution is to start back
on.  Without LC I'd be way beyond 200.  I weigh less today than I did
three decades ago in high school.    Even Atkins talked about gaining
10lbs or so and then having to take it off.   I think most of us are
that way, unless you happen to be lucky enough to have the right genes.
 
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