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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / July 2010Tough to write and even tougher to understand
Well, with that being said, here goes. I started the atkins diet on May 6th and have lost approximately 23 Lbs on the way to the 175 I want to be leaving me at 193 now. Clothes fit-even some I had not worn in a long time. Obviously the plan works and I cannot see why anyone is remarkably obese other than there must be a reason that is not understandably-at least my me. If one is morbidly obese, then take a month or two off and deal with it. The problem I have is that I am not young and found myself at 6 feet and 216 pounds and not comfortable, looking lousy in the mirror and needed to deal with it. At this stage in life hardly anything works like it should and that, along with the loss of foods that I really enjoy leaves me missing things that are or were important to me. This late is life is hardly the time to consider eating a bowl or two of popcorn or an ice cream cone as something that is wrong. However, I understand that it is not in my best interest to go even so slightly that route less the lack of self control moves in... Sure I will continue on to the 175 and try to keep that weight---have only been losing 1 to 1.5 lbs a week for the last 2 or 3 and it is due to the pre maintenance ideas. Pretty depressing when you look worse and old, sex is not anywhere near what it used to be, you are not attractive to anyone, you can't repair your own car, you can't get exercise by walking because the knees are shot and now you can't eat foods you enjoy! You go to the movies, lay out your $15 or so and have to drink a bottle of water and think about the $10 extra large free refill popcorn out there being eaten by these people with a little belly on them. This is just after you went to a nice restaurant with an all you can eat salad bar and you find that there is not much there that will help keep you under 20 carbs a day. Sure I am off maintenance but still try to keep at 20. Life turns out to be a bitch when it should be getting better! Youth is really wasted on the young.... Thanks for listening-I think it helped me to say it. Bob OMG.... Help me here. I am 62. T2 diabetic....who falls from grace constantly...(diet wise). I also quit smoking 14...15 months ago....promptly gained 30#....I am sooooo disheartened. So how do I lose this? How do I keep motivated to NOT SMOKE?..... I love every food morsel I put in my mouth and dream of more...... can anyone give me suggestions for carb/calorie/food control???? > Well, with that being said, here goes. > I started the atkins diet on May 6th and have lost approximately 23 Lbs on [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Thanks for listening-I think it helped me to say it. > Bob >> .... This is just >> after you went to a nice restaurant with an all you can eat salad bar and >> you find that there is not much there that will help keep you under 20 >> carbs a day. Sure I am off maintenance but still try to keep at 20. There are a lot more reasons to move up the carb ladder and increase your quota than it says that in the instructions. One item in the list is doing that plans for maintenance. To fail to plan is to plan to fail - So move on up and start planning for maintenance. The loss phases only last until the weight is gone but maintenance lasts until you fall off it or decide to gain the weight back. > OMG.... Help me here. I am 62. T2 diabetic....who falls from grace > constantly...(diet wise). I also quit smoking 14...15 months > ago....promptly gained 30#....I am sooooo disheartened. So how do I lose > this? How do I keep motivated to NOT SMOKE?..... I love every food > morsel I put in my mouth and dream of more...... can anyone give me > suggestions for carb/calorie/food control???? Low carbing is the best option for more T2 folks. Get one of the books, read it, follow the instructions in it including the parts you don't understand or don't agree with. Take advantage of the fact that the authors of the books have put a decade or more of study into the topic so the books contain instructions that are not obvious that work better than the obvious. And work with your doctor on your med levels as it's likely that as you reduce your carb intake you'll need less. There's a feature of low carbing that most newbies don't believe until they experience it themselves. The carb cravings really do go away after a couple of days through a couple of weeks. It's hard to start but easy to stay on. For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next bite of junk food. But there's a feature of low carb that does not exist in some of the other plan types - One bite can hurt. High carb and/or food intolerance items can trigger insulin swings and/or addictive behavior patterns. Being in control of your food has to feel better to you than being out of control because you had cake. In addition to being hard to start but easy to stay on it's also easy to fall off and hard to get back on. But being in control and feeling better is worth that. >For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next >bite of junk food. While it might help you to refrain from carbs by labeling them junk food, that doesn't work for everyone--including me. Fruits, starchy vegetables and whole grains are not junk foods. My carb problems reside with those foods rather than junk. I have no problem staying away from processed foods, white flour and refined sugar. Orlando >>For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next >>bite of junk food. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Orlando Sounds like junk food to me. Maybe with the friuits you can watch your portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds. Grains are not people food. > >>For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next > >>bite of junk food. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds. > Grains are not people food. But with 9 billion people expected for 2050, and 12 billion by 2067, grain is the most efficient way of providing calories to the hungry of the world. Of course we could institute birth control measures, but that seems unlikely, as we aren't even talking about it, unlike global warming, which we talk about, but then, don't do anything to stop.  Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene >> >>For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next >> >>bite of junk food. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds. >> Grains are not people food. Actually grains aren't good for most birds, either. Grain makes chickens and turkeys fat just like it makes humans fat. The difference is humans want chickens and turkeys to get fat so we do it on purpose to them. If you don't see a type of bird in the wild eating grass chances are grain isn't food for that type of bird. I see wild geese eating grass so they are "the exception that proves the rule" to me. There's a possible definition for junk food that works but I don't believe it's what most people mean when the use the term - A junk food is a type of food that when you eat it it makes you more hungry not less hungry. I'll go with that obscure and rare definition for what I meant. ;^) The advantage of using such a definition for junk food it is is tuned to each individual so it means something quite useful. The disadvantage of using such a definition for junk food is it requires an experimental process to figure out which foods do what to your hunger level. That's more effort and organization than most ever put into their eating. > But with 9 billion people expected for 2050, and 12 billion by 2067, > grain is the most efficient way of providing calories to the hungry of > the world. Economic reality does not reflect optimal health. Feeding so many people can't be done with healthy foods therefore it has to be done with unhealthy foods. It means the rich can afford healthy food while the poor are stuck eating what is supposed to be fed to the cattle. That's not happy news but it is the direction the world is headed. The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to go in that percentage before the absolute number of people who go hungry starts going down. Across history well fed people have had fewer children so feed the world and the crowding decreases, not that that has ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to actually happen in the next few decades. > >> >>For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next > >> >>bite of junk food. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > unhealthy foods. It means the rich can afford healthy food while the > poor are stuck eating what is supposed to be fed to the cattle. It's not healthy for them either. Cattle typically spend 6 months in a "concentrated animal feeding operation" (CAFO), anylonger than that and they would die from stomach ulcers, because they are supposed to eat grass. Grass contains omega-3, while grains contain omega-6 fatty oils. Animals reflect what they eat. Michael Pollan once mused that since farmed fish are fed grain, pastured beef may be healthier for you. > That's > not happy news but it is the direction the world is headed. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to > actually happen in the next few decades. What we need is population reduction. Most of the other problems would nearly solve themselves with fewer people. In 2008 humanity went beyond the planets carrying capacity for us by 20%. We need giant tax breaks for those who forgo children, and a progressive tax structure for those who continue to have children. The World Without Us (Paperback) by Alan Weisman <http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Us-Alan-Weisman/dp/0312427905/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274206221&sr=1-1> Smilar to Jarod Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel" in its breadth and its readability. Available at all good libraries near you. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene > >> >>For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next > >> >>bite of junk food. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to > actually happen in the next few decades. Meanwhile we got problems maintaining the present standard of living. And doing that while the other societies improve above subsistence is going to be very, difficult. We are doing irrigation with mined fossil water. The water tables are dropping world wide and the Arid Zone in the American West is returning to normal rainfall. Meanwhile the politicians can think of no way out except growth, if they want to be politicians. SignatureAll BP's money, and all the President's men, Cannot put the Gulf of Mexico together again. > > The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the > > world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Meanwhile we got problems maintaining the present standard of living. It's not a problem, because it ain't gonna happen. This generation will not be better off than their parents, and on average won't live as long due to changes in agriculture and diet, and the fouling of the environment with man made chemicals. > And doing that while the other societies improve above subsistence is > going to be very, difficult. Who says that they will improve? There is no one at the wheel of leadership except kleptomaniacs, who just want more, and refuse to believe that we live in a finite world. We have global warming, and nothing is being done, except talk. We have over population, and nothing is being done, not even talk. <http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude> Fact, the world has divided into rich and poor as at no time in our history. The richest 2% own more than half the household wealth in the world. The richest 10% hold 85% of total global assets and the bottom half of humanity owns less than 1% of the wealth in the world. The three richest men in the world have more money than the poorest 48 countries. Fact, while those responsible for the 2008 global financial crisis were bailed out and even rewarded by the G-20 government¹s gathering here, the International Labor Organization tells us that in 2009, 34 million people were added to the global unemployed, swelling those ranks to 239 million, the highest ever recorded. Another 200 million are at risk in precarious jobs and the World Bank tells us that at the end of 2010, another 64 million will have lost their jobs. By 2030, more than half the population of the megacities of the Global South will be slumdwellers with no access to education, health care, water, or sanitation. Fact, global climate change is rapidly advancing, claiming at least 300,000 lives and $125 billion in damages every year. Called the silent crisis, climate change is melting glaciers, eroding soil, causing freak and increasingly wild storms, displacing untold millions from rural communities to live in desperate poverty in peri-urban centers. Almost every victim lives in the Global South in communities not responsible for greenhouse gas emissions and not represented here at the summit. ----- And for all of Doug's good thoughts, famine is just around the corner. <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100607/ap_on_re_as/going_hungry> Surging costs hit food security in poorer nations Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene >> The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the >> world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Meanwhile we got problems maintaining the present standard of living. On the time scale of years, economic health bounces up and down about every decade with other cycles effecting how big the peaks and valleys are. That's not good news for last year but it is good prediction for 4 years from now. The trend of decreasing hunger percentage should continue decade to decade even if it does not happen each and every year. > And doing that while the other societies improve above subsistence is > going to be very, difficult. I am quite optimistic on this front. When I was a kid "Made in Japan" was synonymous with "junk" and Japanese labor was cheap labor. A generation or two later "Made in Japan" is synonymous with "quality" and Japanese labor is even more expensive than American labor. Already factories in India and China are being outsourced to cheaper regions. My reason for optimism is simple - The places with cheap labor are getting farther apart and there are a limited number of such places. In a generation no place outside of Africa will be poor. In two generation no place outside of Antarctica will be poor. And I'm not worried about the population of poor people in Antarctica. I might still be alive when this process covers the entire world. I make no claim that the process will be pleasant. Losing industrial jobs to Japan when I was a child was not easy to the folks in the generation before mine who were just barely to young to serve in WWII. NAFTA is not now easy. But there's only so much world no matter that it's big. > We are doing irrigation with mined fossil water. The water tables are > dropping world wide and the Arid Zone in the American West is returning > to normal rainfall. This is a serious problem. What is now the gigantic Gobi desert in central Asia was once huge tracks of grain land and the steppes/prairies that the horsemen of the "Indo-European" invasion came from. They came because their land was lush enough to trigger a population boom but now their descendents wonder at the hills where ruins are found. Digs in the Sahara show ancient populations as well. Note that the growth of deserts has been happening since the glaciers melted. It's not new but it is accelerating as humans cut and burn rain forrests. Brazil nuts and other forest nuts are low carb! Think globally, act locally, buy rain forest friendly products. > Meanwhile the politicians can think of no way out except growth, if they > want to be politicians. Note that my two projections into the future conflict. I don't know what the time scales involved are but the optimistic projections could happen and then the pessimistic projection after that. We'd be Atlantis. I don't know how to resolve the water problem given the prehistory of the Gobi and Sahara deserts. I look to the dropping price and rising usage of solar power and wonder how such renewable power might be applied to the issue. Thinking about it is speculation today. Working the issue is for 1-3 decades from now. Just in time for my grandkids to grow up and participate in the work. > On the time scale of years, economic health bounces up and down about > every decade with other cycles effecting how big the peaks and valleys > are. That's not good news for last year but it is good prediction for 4 > years from now. The trend of decreasing hunger percentage should > continue decade to decade even if it does not happen each and every > year. With increasing temperatures in the tropics and sub-tropics, where 2/3 of humanity lives, comes decreasing crops. So the people who had the least to do with climate change, will be the first to pay the price. Meanwhile, we in the first world can watch them die on television, because the consequences of "Global Warming" will reach the temperate regions last. Coupled with run-a-way population growth (12 billion people by 2067), the future that we are heading for looks very, very bleak. Signature- Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/28/naomi_klein_the_real_crime_scene > Well, with that being said, here goes. > I started the atkins diet on May 6th and have lost approximately 23 Lbs [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > other than there must be a reason that is not understandably-at least my > me. If one is morbidly obese, then take a month or two off and deal with it. Yes. In about 13 months I have lost 90 pounds on a low carb diet and gone from 46" waist pants to 40" which are now loose or 38 if I want tight pants. This is the magnitude of what would expect from gastric surgery without the pain and risks. Every one I know who have lost *major* weight and kept it off has done it through low carbing. The think is if you have tried the low carb, low calorie diet many times and it hasn't worked, maybe one should try the low carb approach. SignatureAll BP's money, and all the President's men, Cannot put the Gulf of Mexico together again. |
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