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Ian Lenzen - 19 Dec 2003 10:30 GMT Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. thanks Ian
Myway - 19 Dec 2003 10:35 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian I cut the caffienated type. Still drink de-caf.
Klaus Alexander Seistrup - 19 Dec 2003 10:39 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low > carb plans? The only thing I did was using sweetener instead of sugar, and heavy cream instead of milk. Worked for me.
Later on I started using stevia instead of artficila sweeteners and I have come to like the taste of stevia in coffee. Even if I should go back to high-carb living, I'd still use stevia to make my coffee sweet.
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Ian Lenzen - 19 Dec 2003 18:10 GMT > > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low > > carb plans? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I should go back to high-carb living, I'd still use stevia to > make my coffee sweet. Doens't that stevia stuff taste a bit on the bitter side?
Stephen S - 19 Dec 2003 22:30 GMT Start quoted text from Ian Lenzen's post:
>>> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low >>> carb plans? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Doens't that stevia stuff taste a bit on the bitter side? Please don't think I'm being sarcastic here, I'm not trying to pick a fight, just typing some stray thoughts.
I'm wondering about the whole idea of describing taste. I'm thinking seriously of checking to see if there is a gourmet "scale" for common foods & drinks in the same way wine or cheese connoisseurs describe what they sample. (body, bouquet, etc.) The thoughts triggered by your question resonate with a philosophical question I think about often... "What is normal?" (I know I'm not <g>)
When I read your question I thought of when my mom asks me "Is it cold in here?" I have to answer her (for the ten thousandth time) "I don't know, is it?" I have no idea how cold it feels to her. It could be 110? but if she gets wet she has goose bumps. I can walk out in 20? weather in shirt sleeves. It's all relative to personal preference. I can't accurately gauge when it gets "cold" for her because it's all "warm" to me.
Same thing happens with taste. I like bitter. I prefer baking apples to Red Delicious, I prefer dark bitter chocolate to milk chocolate, I like espresso - straight. Other people shudder at what I consider bland. If I were to try stivia in my coffee I'm still not sure I could give you a useful answer.
So how can we explain taste to each other? Even a common experience such as finding another food or drink to compare to might not help. As what you might consider too bitter might register on my taste buds as still in the bland zone.
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Preesi - 19 Dec 2003 23:13 GMT > Same thing happens with taste. I like bitter. I prefer baking apples > to Red Delicious, I prefer dark bitter chocolate to milk chocolate, I > like espresso - straight. Other people shudder at what I consider > bland. If I were to try stivia in my coffee I'm still not sure I > could give you a useful answer. BTW Stephen- If you like BITTER things you would LOVE a Okinawan Dish called Goya Champuru:
Goya: The Ugly, Bitter, Life Saving Beauty Aid By: Angelina Esparza
Have you ever wondered who was the first deranged lunatic to eat a snail? Was he starving in the middle of the desert, crazed by dehydration, and in attempt to survive, reached for that slimy critter and named it "escargot"? And was it the same guy who discovered the culinary benefits of blue cheese, octopus and menudo?
Whatever the case, Okinawa has contributed admirably to this unsavory food group. The goya, notorious for its unrelenting bitterness, has perhaps the most hideous appearance of all foods. However, the grotesquely bumpy surface of this squash-like vegetable greatly undermines its significant benefits.
Originally from India, the goya made its way to China where its medical values were first put to use. Every part of the goya anatomy was found to have contained a useful antidote. The vine stopped diarrhea, the flower worked as a painkiller, the fruit relieved burns and the seeds encouraged fertility.
Modern scientific studies, conducted at Toronto University, not only confirmed many of these Chinese beliefs but also went so far as to link the goya to several life-saving remedies. Research shows the goya should be an ideal ingredient for a healthy diet. *Experiments dating from the 1970s display a dramatic decrease of blood-sugar levels and cholesterol levels among diabetics.*
Further studies confirm its effects on reducing the chances of getting cancer and even lowering the virus count of a person infected with AIDS. Aside from these incredible therapeutic traits it is also interesting to know that the goya can also be considered a beauty product. The abundance of vitamin C can allieve stress symptoms and address skin problems.
Japanese scientists gather that the record longevity found in Okinawa is largely attributed to the goya. According to a recent survey by a local Goya club, 90% of Okinawans love their goya. This reflects a long enduring love affair with goya that has been passed down in Okinawan households.
The Goya Champuru is a typical homemade dish prepared by sauteeing thinly sliced goya with tofu and other vegetables. The recent "health boom" in Japan has inspired an unusual line of goya products including goya soba, goya tea, goya cake, goya juice and goya ice cream.
Despite the obvious ugly and bitter characteristics of this plant, don't be appalled the next time you have an opportunity to taste it. Some might say its acquired taste but I say, "get used to it", because the goya is here to stay.
A Recipe For Goya Champuru
Ingredients:
500gm goya (De-seeded and sliced),
1/2 Block tofu (chopped),
2 Tablespoons vegetable oil,
4 slices bacon (chopped),
Salt and pepper for seasoning,
1 egg
*Other chopped vegetables may be added
0. Salt the goya and let sit for 1 hour, then rinse and drain
1. Fry the chopped bacon
2. Chop the tofu into pan and fry until slightly brown
3. Put the goya in and fry till a little brown on edges (NOT more than that) and season with salt and pepper
4. Crack the egg over the sautee and stir-fry till egg is cooked
Served with rice
Stephen S - 20 Dec 2003 02:09 GMT Start quoted text from Preesi's post:
>> Same thing happens with taste. I like bitter. I prefer baking apples >> to Red Delicious, I prefer dark bitter chocolate to milk chocolate, I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If you like BITTER things you would LOVE a Okinawan Dish called > Goya Champuru: <mmmmm> except for the "serve with rice" part it sounds good. <g>
I'll have to check the local oriental supermarkets for some.
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Klaus Alexander Seistrup - 19 Dec 2003 10:42 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low > carb plans? The only thing I did was using sweetener instead of sugar, and heavy cream instead of milk. Worked for me.
Later on I started using stevia instead of artficial sweeteners and I have come to like the taste of stevia in coffee. Even if I should go back to high-carb living, I'd still use stevia to make my coffee sweet.
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BJPruett - 19 Dec 2003 11:23 GMT I have one cup of black coffee each morning. That's it. Barbara
> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Robyn Rosenthal - 19 Dec 2003 13:46 GMT Can't speak for "most" coffee drinkers, but there is no freakin' way that I would ever, in a zillion years give up my coffee. Not for anybody or anything anytime!
And it doesn't appear to have any impact on *my* weight-loss.
I am not on Atkins (I am on Paleo + coffee, small amounts of dairy and the occassional chocolate) but I read the Atkins book and his objection to coffee was that it causes an insulin spike in some people.
Robyn
Preesi - 19 Dec 2003 18:06 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb > plans?. thanks Ian I haven't cut out caffienated coffee at all, but then again I have one cup in the morning and no MORE Ive only had that much, even before Atkins. Doesnt seem to effect my any.. After all Ive been drinking coffee regularly since I was 10 and I can pretty much fall asleep after drinking it... That whole Myth about not letting kids drink coffee cause itll stunt their growth is BS! Im the tallest one in my family, even my Daddy is 1 inch shorter than me!
BTW today I took my Blood Pressure Its the lowest its been in YEARS! 88/50!!!!!!!!!!! I once was 70/40 as a 14 yr old, and on Atkins I feel (mentally) like a 14 yr old! And physically too....
:) preesi
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Jean B. - 19 Dec 2003 12:36 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian I am not exactly a serious coffee drinker, but I do enjoy my one large coffee in the morning. I have been drinking a half (or less) caffeinated version. If you are going to try to give up coffee, you might think of doing this gradually, lest you get a very bad headache during withdrawal. BTDT.
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Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 19 Dec 2003 15:36 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Hi Ian,
Some people do find it necessary to cut out all caffeine and sweeteners from their diet... If you are following Atkins (no idea if you are), then you might find that artificial sweeteners, and also caffeine, spikes your blood sugar, which might make you hungrier than you need be, which may tempt you to cheat your diet, and during an induction type phase of Atkins, you CANNOT cheat the diet, you need to stay under 20g (30g at the most) of carbs to be successful.
Some people can also hit a stall faster with artificial sweeteners, or caffeine. This is something that you will find out on your own, it varies from person to person.
From my personal experience though, I have not had to give up caffeine. I tried to cut back, but I have found no complications came from drinking 2 cups of large and strong coffee in the morning (XL dark roast from Starbucks some days). I lost 20 lbs on induction in about a 1.5 month period, and I only had about 30lbs to lose.
Hope this helps.
Steve.
Wayne Crannell - 19 Dec 2003 15:58 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian No...I roast my own and have several varieties ready to drink daily.
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Diane Mancino - 04 Jan 2004 14:22 GMT so cool to meet another roaster here! I needed to lower my caffeine consumption, so reroasting decaf beans was a treat to me for premium beans.
If you haven't tried this before, I use a hot air popcorn popper or a cookie sheet in the oven at 450 degrees. roast till you hear the beans crackle and the beans are the color you like (do not burn- yuk!)
Coffee is one of my simple pleasures- I will not give it up- it was an effort to use splenda instead of sugar. the cream seemed like a sinful treat. I now mix all beans 1/2 decaf- and don't tell, no one will know after a few days.
Diane
> > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > > thanks Ian > > No...I roast my own and have several varieties ready to drink daily. Xray586 - 04 Jan 2004 16:08 GMT << > > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. >><BR><BR>
<< Coffee is one of my simple pleasures- I will not give it up- it was an effort to use splenda instead of sugar. >
Give up coffee? No can do. I love coffee in the morning, but I don't drink more than 2 or 3 cups a day. I too use splenda, but it is an effort to drink it that way.
Diane Mancino - 04 Jan 2004 19:56 GMT I do have a new habit- while I'm making the morning coffee, I drink 2 full glasses of water with my atkins supplements. part of that morning coffee habit is that I was thirsty- check it out, maybe you will forget the 2nd cup. Getting that 1 gallon of water a day is an effort!
Diane
> << > > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb > plans?. >><BR><BR> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > more than 2 or 3 cups a day. I too use splenda, but it is an effort to drink > it that way. David St. - 04 Jan 2004 21:19 GMT >I do have a new habit- while I'm making the morning coffee, I drink 2 full >glasses of water with my atkins supplements. part of that morning coffee [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >drink >> it that way. Try using decaff coffee made using the Swiss Water Process, you won't find any difference in taste. You can find it at www.coffeeam.com Dave
Dawn Taylor - 04 Jan 2004 23:33 GMT >Try using decaff coffee made using the Swiss Water Process, you won't >find any difference in taste. You can find it at www.coffeeam.com If you use a good decaf coffee -- buying whole-bean coffee and then grinding it yourself, preferably -- you won't notice a difference in taste no matter how you brew it. The process of removing the caffiene from coffee has come a long way in the past ten years or so. Anyone who says they can taste the difference is imagining it.
That said, I never gave up my morning full-caf coffee. And I've lost weight just fine.
Dawn
Xray586 - 04 Jan 2004 23:39 GMT << I drink 2 full
>glasses of water with my atkins supplements. part of that morning coffee >habit is that I was thirsty- check it out, maybe you will forget the 2nd >cup. >> << Try using decaff coffee made using the Swiss Water Process, you won't find any difference in taste. You can find it at www.coffeeam.com >><BR><BR>
Why? I don't see a reason. Two or three cups a day is not that much, doesn't keep me up at night either. And last I heard, caffeine does increase concentration, so I like it when I have work to do. As someone else says, its a simple pleasure.
Ian Lenzen - 13 Jan 2004 14:46 GMT I agree...but I must admit that I didn't wait for evidence to come in about caffeine helping with focus and concentration. I think I snuck my first cup of coffee at about age 8, cramming the night before my grade school show-and-tell class project. --- and it's been an escalation to espressos and coladas of cafe Cubano ever since.
> << I drink 2 full > >glasses of water with my atkins supplements. part of that morning coffee [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > concentration, so I like it when I have work to do. As someone else says, its > a simple pleasure.
> In article <3a6eb85.0312190230.6d1d7af7@posting.google.com>, > ian@all.info (Ian Lenzen) wrote: > > > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > > thanks Ian Diane Mancino - 06 Jan 2004 02:13 GMT I know I'm wasting carbs on the half & half- If I could only happily switch to black coffee- I could have another carb snack
> >I do have a new habit- while I'm making the morning coffee, I drink 2 full > >glasses of water with my atkins supplements. part of that morning coffee [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > find any difference in taste. You can find it at www.coffeeam.com > Dave Jean B. - 06 Jan 2004 11:04 GMT > I know I'm wasting carbs on the half & half- If I could only happily switch > to black coffee- I could have another carb snack Not many carbs in half & half unless you are using a lot of it. I figure I use 1 g worth, and it is worth it.
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Anglea Woollcombe - 04 Jan 2004 21:51 GMT i have given caffiene up. i have not had any diet coke since dec 31, or have i had any ice cappuccino's ( those are my downfall not coffee) i work at a place where i can get them for free. i haven't had the ice capps since dec 27. i had one before that. i had given them up before christmas and had gone from dec 24 til the 27 then i hd one and it didn't agree with my stomach. anyway it hasn't been easey for me but i have done and will keep it up for as long as i can. angie
> so cool to meet another roaster here! I needed to lower my caffeine > consumption, so reroasting decaf beans was a treat to me for premium beans. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Maintenance 10/1/02 > > 250/138 Todd Walker - 19 Dec 2003 16:04 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian I am a heavy coffee drinker (8-10 cups a day) and haven't altered my consumption at all since starting Atkins. I do drink it black so I don't have to worry about creamers or sweeteners. I've lost 22 pounds in 2 months so it doesn't seem to have an adverse effect on me :-)
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Luna - 19 Dec 2003 18:20 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Some do, some don't. I am still a pretty heavy coffee drinker, with sweet 'n' low and half and half, and I've lost 39 pounds since May on low-carb. Sometimes I have coffee when I'm craving chocolate and it satisfies the craving.
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Martha Gallagher - 19 Dec 2003 20:33 GMT > > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > > thanks Ian [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sometimes I have coffee when I'm craving chocolate and it satisfies the > craving. Coffee, I don't know. Caffeinated sodas, hasn't seemed to have made a difference. I used to be a heavy cola drinker. Lost fine while doing that. Weigh loss slowed down. Gave up caffeine for that and other reasons (mostly other). Haven't seen weight loss accelerate since I gave it up, so experience (subject to change later) is that it doesn't make a difference for me.
I am saving quite a bit of money, though.
Martha
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carla - 19 Dec 2003 20:45 GMT > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Since starting eating low-carb (but not Atkins) nearly three weeks ago, I have not made a deliberate effort to reduce my caffeine. However, interestingly, I have found that I need and desire less of it than before. I still drink 1-2 cups of coffee early in the morning, just like before. But I find that I am far less likely to want the Diet Cokes that I used to have with lunch or later in the afternoon. I can only attribute this to low-carb eating stabilizing my blood sugar. I still need my jolt to get me going in the morning, but without my carb-induced "food coma" I no longer need caffeine in the afternoons. Lately I've just been reaching for water where I used to guzzle Diet Coke.
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Stephen S - 19 Dec 2003 21:58 GMT Start quoted text from Ian Lenzen's post:
> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb > plans?. thanks Ian <sigh> I've cut way back. both due to the diet and my unemployment. I used to have lots of espresso and lattes. Now I only get to the coffee bar once or twice a week, and usually have an Italian soda. No carbs, no calories, no caffeine, just taste. <G>
My favorite is: two shots SF Bavarian chocolate, one shot SF caramel, and one shot of a SF nut flavor. "20oz. Liquid Candy Bar."
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bob - 20 Dec 2003 00:37 GMT i cut back to cup in the morning day, but as my diet went on, and i got more confident of my weight loss i slipped back into my mega mug or two every morning and second cups later in the morning.
when I stalled 4 pounds shy, (overdose of nuts i think) i went back on induction and kickstarted again, i considered cutting back on my coffee, but decided against it, it was too cold. I actually increased my coffee intake to my limit (when i start getting the shakes) but my weight fell off reaching goal in two weeks. I recently cut back to just my mega mugs in the morning.
so- coffee was a non issue for me. It appears that if you are starting out on lo carb, you would be wise to cut all the things that cause problems, and once you have the weight falling, add them back carefully. if you stall, cut it back out.
> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Alan M - 20 Dec 2003 04:45 GMT At first I cut down a bit, to 12 cups per day. After that I tried 1/2 regular and 1/2 decaf. I enjoy my coffee too much and have gone back to my own blend, 10 to 12 cups per day. I am still loosing 1 - 2 lbs per week so I anticipate no additional changes for now. If I stall out on weight loss, well if that happens I will consider the obvious option. Alan M
> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Witchy Way - 20 Dec 2003 05:39 GMT <<Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. thanks Ian>>
i switched to half decaf & half reg...no probs re weight loss.i'd never give up my perpetually full cuppa!
blaker - 20 Dec 2003 16:35 GMT I find it odd that I'm no longer enjoying the flavor of coffee. This seems to have occurred gradually as I've been on LC for the last 3 months. Has anyone else experienced this?
For over 15 years I've been a 1 or 2 "potter", but now I've totally switched to green tea or other caffeine free herbal teas with 1/4 - 1/2 packet of Splenda. Still love a warm drink to sip on in the morning. About 3 years ago my wife and I switched to decaffeinated coffee, and really started enjoying the flavored coffees like hazelnut. And even as recently as 4 months ago I was loving my decaf coffee. But over the last month, I can hardly drink it, even with cream! Very odd to me.
Blaker
> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Ian Lenzen - 13 Jan 2004 14:30 GMT Blaker, I totally relate to tastes for certain indulgences actually waning when I'm on a healthy food plan (LC or other plans I've done).
I totally relate that tea, especially green tea can pick up the slack as a warm beverage. I prefer black tea or green tea over over the herbal varieties as it somehow seems more substantial (maybe it's the caffeine I like) as well as the touted health benefits of green tea.
Some of the herbal teas, for me, seem to taste like something that someones great aunt may have just picked from her backyard...which is fine if one goes for that. As a PM hot beverage, without the caffeine (or theine in this case), I love red tea. It's from the Rooibos herb of Southern Africa. It's naturally caffeine/theine-free. My friends in Spain swear by it for weight loss (not sure if related to appetite suppresion or otherwise, however...all seemingly just anecdotal reports)---but refreshing none-the-less.
...all this being said, however, I have to come clean and admit that a strong cup of hazelnut coffee would be great right now.
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> I find it odd that I'm no longer enjoying the flavor of coffee. This seems > to have occurred gradually as I've been on LC for the last 3 months. Has [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > > thanks Ian ian@all.info (Ian Lenzen) wrote:
> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > thanks Ian Some do, some don't. I am still a pretty heavy coffee drinker, with sweet 'n' low and half and half, and I've lost 39 pounds since May on low-carb. Sometimes I have coffee when I'm craving chocolate and it satisfies the craving.
> > Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb plans?. > > thanks Ian [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sometimes I have coffee when I'm craving chocolate and it satisfies the > craving. Coffee, I don't know. Caffeinated sodas, hasn't seemed to have made a difference. I used to be a heavy cola drinker. Lost fine while doing that. Weigh loss slowed down. Gave up caffeine for that and other reasons (mostly other). Haven't seen weight loss accelerate since I gave it up, so experience (subject to change later) is that it doesn't make a difference for me.
I am saving quite a bit of money, though.
Martha
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> Do most serious coffee drinkers restrict or cut coffee on low carb > plans?. thanks Ian <sigh> I've cut way back. both due to the diet and my unemployment. I used to have lots of espresso and lattes. Now I only get to the coffee bar once or twice a week, and usually have an Italian soda. No carbs, no calories, no caffeine, just taste. <G>
My favorite is: two shots SF Bavarian chocolate, one shot SF caramel, and one shot of a SF nut flavor. "20oz. Liquid Candy Bar."
 Signature Stephen S. 331/299/220 <- as of 19 Dec. 03 LC since 28 Sept. 03 http://dragonfen.com/diet
i cut back to cup in the morning day, but as my diet went on, and i got more confident of my weight loss i slipped back into my mega mug or two every morning and second cups later in the morning.
when I stalled 4 pounds shy, (overdose of nuts i think) i went back on induction and kickstarted again, i considered cutting back on my coffee, but decided against it, it was too cold. I actually increased my coffee intake to my limit (when i start getting the shakes) but my weight fell off reaching goal in two weeks. I recently cut back to just my mega mugs in the morning.
so- coffee was a non issue for me. It appears that if you are starting out on lo carb, you would be wise to cut all the things that cause problems, and once you have the weight falling, add them back carefully. if you stall, cut it back out.
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