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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Lower Beef Prices?
I wonder if we'll see lower beef prices with other countries banning US beef? > I wonder if we'll see lower beef prices with other countries banning US > beef? That would be my hope. It's anyone's guess, though, because right now, things are moderately unpredictable.  SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). Perhaps, we'll see lower prices, but having just read that only 10% of animals that are unable to stand up on their own at the time of slaughter get tested for Mad Cow disease, I'm not really thrilled about eating beef. Reading the book Fast Food Nation was an eye-opener to me about the conditions in slaughter plants. The guidelines that the officials tell us protect us from mad cow are voluntary and the meat industry is notorious for poor compliance with all regulations. They get "slap on the wrist" fines at worst for the very worst abuses. The fact that we keep having epidemics of virulent E coli that kills children which are caused by hamburger infected by feces is one sign of how poor their sanitary control is. I doubt very much their claims that brain and spinal tissues don't get into meat given that poop does. Plus, you have to ask yourself where the prions came from that infected the WA animal. There's a multi-year gap between infection and the appearance of symptoms in this disease. At a minimum, we need to know if this is a one-in-a-million event or the first sign of a bovine epidemic that is going to explode. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes > I wonder if we'll see lower beef prices with other countries banning US > beef? > Reading the book Fast Food Nation was an eye-opener to me about the > conditions in slaughter plants. Ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair? The more things change, the more they remain the same :-) -- Steve Steve, Actually I did read The Jungle many years ago. Sinclair's famous remark about that book was something like "I aimed for the nation's heart and hit its stomach." -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes > > Reading the book Fast Food Nation was an eye-opener to me about the > > conditions in slaughter plants. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Steve On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:51:16 -0500, "Dean S. Lautermilch© ²ºº³" <ftlbard@NOSPAM.bellsouth.net> wrote: >I wonder if we'll see lower beef prices with other countries banning US >beef? I know the prices will plummet. But it depends where you are in the chain as to when you will see the cheap prices. Kind of like the oil companies being quick to raise the price of gasoline and slow to lower it when a crisis occurs. I'd expect a 50% decline in feedlot prices prices within a week and a 30% decline in retail prices within a month. Should stay that way for many months. Those who were trading in futures based on the low-carb consumption trend will be wiped out. PJ . > Dean S. Lautermilch wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 30% decline in retail prices within a month. Should stay that way for > many months. Consider a second-order effect. Falling prices will wipe out some family ranches. This will ratchet the amount of family argiculture down and ratchet the amount of corporate argiculture up. It's been happening every year but in the next year it will happen faster. Pray for a rancher. I have a friend who bought a ranch in the last year. Yikes. At least his family has a software job to fall back on. I pray he makes it through this. > > Dean S. Lautermilch wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yikes. At least his family has a software job to fall back on. I pray > he makes it through this. Pray for all working class Americans. Pray that they wake up and realize that the American dream has been sold to multinational corporations. The US no longer has the capital infrastructure to produce what all of us have come to expect. All of us are dependent upon imports controlled by these corporations, which have subordinated our national sovereignty. The American people are complicit because they've allowed themselves to be duped by the Right into believing that completely uncontrolled markets and open trade with nations that have abysmally poor standards for workers is to our advantage. Long term, it's suicide. Soon your friend will also discover that his software gig hasn't much future, as that type of work is being "offshored," mostly to India. It may look like the opponents of the WTO are just a bunch of Anarchists and kooks, and perhaps most are, but they are kooks who are correct that the international trade cabals have become more powerful than nation states. Right now the majority of readers who have even made it this far are likely rolling their eyes. You know, it's hard to see clearly when you are doing that. So, "Who is John Galt?" My guess is that he's smacking his lips, knowing that the time is nearing that those who control international trade will have us all by the balls. --Bryan 198/148/151/155 Do you have a spare copy of the "Manifesto" handy? SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > > Dean S. Lautermilch wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > --Bryan 198/148/151/155 > Do you have a spare copy of the "Manifesto" handy? No, but I do have a copy of *Capital*, a work that anyone who presumes to be qualified to argue about political economy should certainly read and attempt to understand. I don't mind at all you making the reference to Marx. I do find it telling that you didn't respond to a single point I made, preferring to dismiss me as a Marxist. Go ahead. I wonder what your excuse will be for not backing up your *insult* with real arguments. You could claim that your intellect or rhetorical skills are not up to mine, so I could win the argument in spite of you being correct. You could say that you don't have time or interest. The truth is you can't refute what I wrote because I was correct. I know you think you are a big shot Mr. "you fat #$&%," so let's mix it up. Oh, and I'm not a Marxist, though I'll accept Marxian scholar/thinker/whatever. I don't wish to see any dictatorship of the proletariat. I think that markets are useful, and above all I'm not a materialist. I see greed as a permanent fixture in the human organism and greed's influence in economic intercourse to be a necessary evil. The extreme position is that of the Right, that being that greed is a virtue. > > dfreybur@yahoo.com (Doug Freyburger) wrote in message > news:<7960d3ee.0312261320.3bc70f4d@posting.google.com>... [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > > > --Bryan 198/148/151/155 --Bryan 198/148/150/155 > > Do you have a spare copy of the "Manifesto" handy? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The extreme position is that of the Right, that being that greed is a > virtue. The concepts that you extol worked so well for the Russians and are working so well for the North Koreans that we should all follow their lead, right? Good thinking, monkey boy. And... If Marxism is a valid and valued philosophy, why would calling someone a Marxist be an insult? Why do you take it as such? Very telling indeed.... > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message > news:<l%jHb.3990$GN3.2431@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The concepts that you extol worked so well for the Russians and are working > so well for the North Koreans that we should all follow their lead, right? If you knew anything about Marxian theory, or, for that matter, has the Soviets or North Koreans, you would understand how absurd it was to try to establish Communism except as a result of Capitalism's demise. > Good thinking, monkey boy. Again, insults. You won't aregue the points made in my first post because you are an idiot and a coward. There. Now I've insulted you back. See, that you slinking worm? > And... If Marxism is a valid and valued philosophy, why would calling > someone a Marxist be an insult? Because idiots like you bring up foolish examples like the Soviets or North Koreans instead of arguing the real points. I wrote that I disagreed in many ways (I listed them you intellectual chickenshit) with those who have claimed to be Marxist. I'm informed by many thinkiers. Marx is one of the biggies. Don't think that that means I am not also informed by, say, Adam Smith. > Why do you take it as such? Very telling indeed.... Why do you avoid arguing the points with me? "Very telling indeed...." Chickenshit. --Bryan 198/148/152/155 > > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message > > news:<l%jHb.3990$GN3.2431@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > to try to establish Communism except as a result of Capitalism's > demise. Looks like Capitalism's demise is right around the corner. heh. > > Good thinking, monkey boy. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Why do you avoid arguing the points with me? "Very telling indeed...." Why do I avoid trying to teach a pig calculus? It wastes time and pisses off the pig. Now calm down. > > Why do you avoid arguing the points with me? "Very telling indeed...." > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now calm down. You are a coward who can't back up his ideas with arguments. You are the same person who tried to argue "a calorie is a calorie" on this NG. To paraphrase you: think more, blow out your a.s less, you stupid f.ck. --Bryan 198/148/150/155 I've noticed this in the past about socialists: they get very upset when people don't agree with them. Keep searching for Utopia, little dude, at least it gives you something to occupy your mind. Obviously you can't handle anything useful. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > > > > > Why do you avoid arguing the points with me? "Very telling indeed...." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > --Bryan 198/148/150/155 > I've noticed this in the past about socialists: they get very upset when > people don't agree with them. > > Keep searching for Utopia, little dude, at least it gives you something to > occupy your mind. Obviously you can't handle anything useful. A. I'm not a Socialist. B. You are a coward. You are also an intellectual child. If you had any confidence in your positions, why not put the "socialist" in his place? Perhaps you can't. Everyone who reads this post should easily be able to see that you are a simpleton who can't stand up to a real debate. --Bryan 198/148/151/155 > I've noticed this in the past about socialists: they get very upset when > people don't agree with them. I've noticed this in the past about nitwits. They get upset when someone disagrees with them and call them socialists. -- Lexin (300/237/182) > > I've noticed this in the past about socialists: they get very upset when > > people don't agree with them. > > I've noticed this in the past about nitwits. They get upset when > someone disagrees with them and call them socialists. heh.. > I wonder if we'll see lower beef prices with other countries banning US > beef? Great question. Anyone from england here can tell us what happened there? Or canada? Patty > Dean S. Lautermilch© ²ºº³ <ftlbard@NOSPAM.bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:vujkgv7i9gdbbb@news.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Great question. Anyone from england here can tell us what happened there? Or > canada? Germany.... when customers lost confidence in the quality of meat, prices sank rapidly. For some time, beef was cheaper than chicken or pork. Now beef prices are still well below the former average. Regards, Sven Don't count on it. in BC Canada... the big mad cow scare promised lower prices.. but the only price lowered was that of low grade cuts or hamburger. The other cuts of beef and especially Roasts still maintained their high prices. In order to compensate for the loss of sales in other areas I would assume. On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:51:16 -0500, "Dean S. Lautermilch© ²ºº³" <ftlbard@NOSPAM.bellsouth.net> wrote: >I wonder if we'll see lower beef prices with other countries banning US >beef? ~Karen~ 225/187/140ish start Jan17/03 Started at the gym September/03 |
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