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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Diet Plan / Reading Material
I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). I'm thinking lowcarb, maybe atkins, as I feel it will be easier to stick to meats, fish etc. I'm not bothered about knowing the history, or the science, I just want a decent diet plan with easy meal suggestions that I can just follow. A list of dos and don'ts would be more than useful. Does anyone have any available, or have any links or book suggestions that might be handy? ta > I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). I'm thinking > lowcarb, maybe atkins, as I feel it will be easier to stick to meats, fish [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Does anyone have any available, or have any links or book suggestions that > might be handy? Can I summarize your post like this: You want to lose 84 lbs (37kg) quickly. You do not want to be bothered with researching what works and what does not, science, medical aspects etc. You also want to find a diet that is "easiest to stick to" withotu worrying if it i healthful or not. You also make no mention of exercise. Would this be a correct summary? i "Ignoramus6533" <ignoramus6533@NOSPAM.6533.invalid> wrote..... > You do not want to be bothered with researching what works and what > does not, science, medical aspects etc. I know lowcarb works, I just don't want to research why or how. > You also want to find a diet that is "easiest to stick to" withotu > worrying if it i healthful or not. A lot of people in this group do it, I'm guessing it isn't too harmful. Not losing weight would be. > You also make no mention of exercise. Moderate exercise will be done. > Would this be a correct summary? Sorry for the vague post. I've lost the weight before (lowcal) but put it back over the years. I've tried again but to no avail. I want to try lowcarb - I just need a diet plan and some reading material to start me off. Atkins books I've seen reviewed are too scientific and are lacking in diet plans and meal suggestions. If you can recommend a book that covers my criteria, I'd be grateful. > "Ignoramus6533" <ignoramus6533@NOSPAM.6533.invalid> wrote..... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > plans and meal suggestions. If you can recommend a book that covers my > criteria, I'd be grateful. I found atkins book to be very simple actually. Take two weeks to re-read it and write a little summary in the notebook or something. You will put your weight back unless you continue dieting forever. i "Ignoramus6533" <ignoramus6533@NOSPAM.6533.invalid> wrote.... > I found atkins book to be very simple actually. Take two weeks to > re-read it and write a little summary in the notebook or something. There are stacks of atkins books at amazon etc. Any recommendations? > You will put your weight back unless you continue dieting forever. I know.... now... I hope to lose weight quickly via lowcarb, and then attempt to switch back lowcal to keep the weight off (if poss). I know I don't know the facts yet. > "Ignoramus6533" <ignoramus6533@NOSPAM.6533.invalid> wrote.... > >> I found atkins book to be very simple actually. Take two weeks to >> re-read it and write a little summary in the notebook or something. > > There are stacks of atkins books at amazon etc. Any recommendations? Note that I do not do atkins. I simply cut some junk carbs from my intake and eat less and exercise more. Cutting those carbs made me free from cravings. Having said that, just buy the new diet revolution book. >> You will put your weight back unless you continue dieting forever. > > I know.... now... I hope to lose weight quickly via lowcarb, and then > attempt to switch back lowcal to keep the weight off (if poss). I know I > don't know the facts yet. Supposedly, the faster you lose, the faster you regain. My personal approach to maintaining weight has been to eat same foods as during dieting, just more. I do eat low cal, but I also make sure I do not eat sugar and junk food and limit my carbs somewhat. The most important thing is: there ain't such thing as easy weight loss and easy weight maintenance. Forget about it. i "Ignoramus6533" <ignoramus6533@NOSPAM.6533.invalid> wrote.... > Note that I do not do atkins. I simply cut some junk carbs from my > intake and eat less and exercise more. Cutting those carbs made me > free from cravings. If you don't mind me asking, how quickly did you lose weight doing it this way, or are you just doing it to keep to your weight? > Having said that, just buy the new diet revolution book. lol will do. > "Ignoramus6533" <ignoramus6533@NOSPAM.6533.invalid> wrote.... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you don't mind me asking, how quickly did you lose weight doing it this > way, or are you just doing it to keep to your weight? I lost 47 lbs in 100 days (21 kg for you). I am still "doing it" (meaning eating no junk and limiting how much I eat and exercising, to keep off my weight. >> Having said that, just buy the new diet revolution book. > > lol will do. just do not overeat meat and limit deep frying and such. i My reply to your post was done in haste, and I didn't see that you wanted links, and I don't know why I thought you wanted to lose just 6 lbs. Anyway, try these links: www.atkins.com www.proteinpower.com www.lowcarbnexus.com www.sugarbusters.com That should get you started. "Nastyhaggis" <nastyhaggis@cs.com> wrote.... > My reply to your post was done in haste, and I didn't see that you wanted > links, and I don't know why I thought you wanted to lose just 6 lbs. Anyway, > try these links: That should get you started. Thanks mate. Looking now. Again, any book recommendations would be great. > Again, any book recommendations would be great. The one I started with is "Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution". Make sure it's a recent edition, there have been a few. Also make sure that after the second week you read the rest of the book! Many people read as far as "Induction" and never follow the rest of the instructions. Also, IMHO exercise is just as important (if not more so for some people) as diet. I, for one, cannot lose weight without exercise. It just doesn't happen, don't know why. "DJ Delorie" <dj@delorie.com> wrote..... > The one I started with is "Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution". Make sure > it's a recent edition, there have been a few. Also make sure that Thank you. I've seen an edition at amazon.co.uk published Jan 2003 - that seems pretty recent so I'll order that. One of the reviews states that food wise it's more aimed at that US market however, but I guess most are. > Also, IMHO exercise is just as important (if not more so for some > people) as diet. I, for one, cannot lose weight without exercise. It > just doesn't happen, don't know why. My recent diet attempt was pretty much lowfat/cal + some exercise (I bought an exercise bike) but I wasn't losing anything. I know bikes aren't great exercise, but at least it's something. To be honest, I've been ignorant of the science and have only learned about carbs recently. I know atkins it's basically meat, fish, cheese, water, veg & eggs; and no flour/bread, fruit, pasta, rice, caffeine etc etc. but I'm sure there's more to it than that. One last question while I wait for my book - do you need to check with your GP before and/or during the diet or can I monitor anything myself? > Thank you. I've seen an edition at amazon.co.uk published Jan 2003 > - that seems pretty recent so I'll order that. One of the reviews > states that food wise it's more aimed at that US market however, but > I guess most are. It is, but conversion isn't that tricky, aside from the recipies. Search the adslc archives for conversion tips. > My recent diet attempt was pretty much lowfat/cal + some exercise (I > bought an exercise bike) but I wasn't losing anything. I know bikes > aren't great exercise, but at least it's something. To be honest, > I've been ignorant of the science and have only learned about carbs > recently. The basic science is: weight change = calories in - calories out. Diet changes calories in. Exercise changes calories out. For some people, "calories out" is low for low fat, and high for low carb (my theory is that fat cell receptors are screwed up, so they store fat they shouldn't and don't release fat they should, causing artificial starvation). For most people, lowering calories too much in can cause calories out to lower also (starvation reflex). > I know atkins it's basically meat, fish, cheese, water, veg & eggs; > and no flour/bread, fruit, pasta, rice, caffeine etc etc. but I'm > sure there's more to it than that. Ah, you've fallen into the usual trap. You've described the first two weeks of Atkins, but not the main phase - ongoing weight loss. In OWL you gradually add in other types of foods until you reach a suitable balance between nutrition and weight loss. > One last question while I wait for my book - do you need to check > with your GP before and/or during the diet or can I monitor anything > myself? You should always check with your GP before any change to your diet and/or exercise. Note, however, that some GPs are hostile to LC diets in general, without understanding the specifics. If you think your doctor might be hostile, it's good to go armed with a sample menu - lean meats, lots of leafy veggies, low sat fats, etc. If you can get your GP to issue a glucose tolerance test, that will help you tell if you are already having insulin problems. People with abnormal GTTs should fare well on LC. You should get a baseline checkup too, though - blood pressure and serum cholesterol readings, weight, body fat percentage, measurements, etc. "DJ Delorie" <dj@delorie.com> wrote...... > Ah, you've fallen into the usual trap. You've described the first two > weeks of Atkins, but not the main phase - ongoing weight loss. In OWL > you gradually add in other types of foods until you reach a suitable > balance between nutrition and weight loss. Presumably if you kept doing the first two weeks for longer, it would be bad for you? > Presumably if you kept doing the first two weeks for longer, it > would be bad for you? Not bad per se, but there wouldn't be much point. The second phase is less strict food-wise but can be done at the same carb levels. It's important to get a variety of foods, especially fruits and veggies, to make sure you get all the micronutrients your body needs. Even more so on a reduced calorie diet. Boxers from Britain have known about the "Steak and Eggs" diet for a few centuries, at least. And yes, it is that easy. Here's another source: http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/index.html Read the "Letter on Corpulence".  SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > "DJ Delorie" <dj@delorie.com> wrote..... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > One last question while I wait for my book - do you need to check with your > GP before and/or during the diet or can I monitor anything myself? > > I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). I'm thinking > > lowcarb, maybe atkins, as I feel it will be easier to stick to meats, fish [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > i Eat under 20 grams of carbs per day, drink 3 liters of water, and the 6 lbs will be gone in a HURRY. "Nastyhaggis" <nastyhaggis@cs.com> wrote..... > Eat under 20 grams of carbs per day, drink 3 liters of water, and the 6 lbs > will be gone in a HURRY. 6st not 6lb... :) Anyone got a carb guide? > "Nastyhaggis" <nastyhaggis@cs.com> wrote..... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anyone got a carb guide? TROLL >> "Nastyhaggis" <nastyhaggis@cs.com> wrote..... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >TROLL New to this NG, but what is a TROLL and why is ukbloke one? I assume it's not because he's 6st over weight!!! > New to this NG, but what is a TROLL and why is ukbloke one? A troll is someone who posts with the purpose of causing dissent and argument within a group (himself not included in the "group") , without actually caring about any response to their post (aside from the dissent and argument itself), often without actually understanding the topic in the first place (or in the case of a few famous trolls, understanding it all too well ;) A good troll can start an argument amongst the regulars with a single post, without the regulars realizing they've been trolled. The more obvious trolls are bad trolls. If the user actually wants an answer to their question, they're not a troll. The name originated with the concept "trolling for newbies" where the *regulars* of the group would post something ordinarily controversial but long since beaten to death (the "bait"), then see how many new members start arguing about it before realizing they've been had. >> New to this NG, but what is a TROLL and why is ukbloke one? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >but long since beaten to death (the "bait"), then see how many new >members start arguing about it before realizing they've been had. Thanks, that was a far more informative answer than I expected to get. I understand now, so will try and make sure any future posts don't fall into this category.... Thanks again. "SC" <nospam@dontspam.me> wrote..... > Thanks, that was a far more informative answer than I expected to get. > I understand now, so will try and make sure any future posts don't > fall into this category.... Another important fact is differentiating between newbies and trolls. I've posted for years on various groups under different aliases and trolls are indeed the single most annoying thing about usenet. "Myway" <myway_1@hotmail.com> wrote...... > > Anyone got a carb guide? > TROLL I'm a troll because I'm a newbie? Grow up. > I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). IIRC a stone is 15 pounds, so you want to lose 30 pounds in 70 weeks. Reasonable expectation. > I'm not bothered about knowing the history, or the science, I just > want a decent diet plan with easy meal suggestions that I can just follow. > A list of dos and don'ts would be more than useful. Atkins is only menu based for 14 days. After that it's a process and you have to learn a fair amount to follow the process. Its meal plans go poof on day 15 when the process parts start. That means you want one of the one-size-fits-all systems. There are several one-size-fits-all low carb systems. Perhaps the best one is Protein Power by Drs Eades. They're written at least 2 books on their low carb plan, and www.eatprotein.com supports it. > > I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). > > IIRC a stone is 15 pounds, so you want to lose 30 pounds in 70 weeks. > Reasonable expectation. 1 stone = 14 pounds HTH > > > I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). > > > > IIRC a stone is 15 pounds, so you want to lose 30 pounds in 70 weeks. > > Reasonable expectation. > > 1 stone = 14 pounds Which makes it 84 pounds in 78 weeks. A little over a pound a week. Possibly doable, but I'd want to allow more time. Priscilla > > > > I want to lose 6st and a lot of body fat quickish (18 months). > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Which makes it 84 pounds in 78 weeks. A little over a pound a week. > Possibly doable, but I'd want to allow more time. That's the thing right there. 1 pound per week is imminently "doable", but it is more important for you to set your own goals and timetables. Positive progress is usually the desirable effect. When I write "eat less and exercise more", this is quite relative. If you eat a little less and exercise a little more and lose 1 pound per month, it's still a successful program. "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote..... > Which makes it 84 pounds in 78 weeks. A little over a pound a week. > Possibly doable, but I'd want to allow more time. Yeah, it's only a stab-in-the-dark goal before I turn 30. So long as I keep losing the pounds consistently, I'll be happy. "Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote..... > Atkins is only menu based for 14 days. After that it's a process and > you have to learn a fair amount to follow the process. Its meal plans > go poof on day 15 when the process parts start. That means you want one > of the one-size-fits-all systems. One-size-fits-all systems? > > Atkins is only menu based for 14 days. After that it's a process and > > you have to learn a fair amount to follow the process. Its meal plans > > go poof on day 15 when the process parts start. That means you want one > > of the one-size-fits-all systems. > > One-size-fits-all systems? Any system that *can* be reduced to a menu is intended to fit anyone with that same menu. That's only true of Atkins for the first 14 days. After that it is a specific process custom tuned to each person's unique body. It's one of the advantages that Atkins has that it is custom tuned for the best possible results. But the cost of that custom tuning is learning the basics of it. You've written that you have no intention of learning the basics and putting in that extra level of effort, so you need a system that can be reduced to a menu. That's why I pointed you towards popular non-Atkins plans. They work just fine for most folks. Protein Power, Carbohydrate Addicts Diet and so on aren't custom tuned the way Aktins is, so when you follow them you don't need to put in as much mental effort. Your stated goal was not putting in the mental effort, so they're for you. http://www.nerdheaven.dk/~jevk/paleo_intro.php |
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