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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Stopped losing weight, getting discouraged
Hi, I have been doing Atkins for 4 weeks and 5 days. I lost 15lbs during induction and I have basically stayed on it the whole time apart from a few nuts here and there and 2 screw ups (over the past 3 weeks I have had General Tso's chicken once, BBQ wings & fries once). After eating both of these I didn't put on any weight. I have also been eating Sugar Free Jello most nights (which isn't bad is it? ... 0 carbs, no sugar) After the first 2 weeks I have lost 2 lbs, a total of 17lbs in 5 weeks. Is this normal? I need to lose another 27 to get from 177 to 150 and I am feeling discouraged. I know I need to exercise. The only exercise I do it running errands and housework. I have a baby and it is too cold to take her walking in the stroller. I really would love a tread mill but we can't afford one. What other exercise can I do indoors? I am also not in Ketosis like I was in the first 2 weeks. Should I go back to the strict induction I was on? I would appreciate any help because I feel like I am in a rut or maybe I am expecting too much. Thanks! Wendy Start counting exactly how many calories you are taking in per day. Report back in a week.  SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Wendy Wait a minute...It's about carbs, not calories, right? (just feel like giving you a forum -- tee hee hee) > Start counting exactly how many calories you are taking in per day. Report > back in a week. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > Wendy <stepping to the podium> 1. Hunger control is about carbs. 2. Weight loss is about calories. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > Wait a minute...It's about carbs, not calories, right? > (just feel like giving you a forum -- tee hee hee) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > > > Wendy Damn, I've never seen it put more succinctly than that. Cool! > <stepping to the podium> > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>>> >>>> Wendy >Damn, I've never seen it put more succinctly than that. Cool! Maybe cool to you but if you've read Atkin, you know it is completely and totally inaccurate. PJ >> <stepping to the podium> >> >> 1. Hunger control is about carbs. >> >> 2. Weight loss is about calories. > >> <stepping to the podium> > >> > >> 1. Hunger control is about carbs. > >> > >> 2. Weight loss is about calories. > >Damn, I've never seen it put more succinctly than that. Cool! > > Maybe cool to you but if you've read Atkin, you know it is completely > and totally inaccurate. > PJ [note, I put responses back in order] No it's not, and I've read Atkins and a lot more. In the final analysis it IS about calories and energy budget. But macronutrient proportions in the diet may affect how many calories you burn in a day, which may be why people on LC diets can sometimes eat more calories and still lose weight, compared to low-fat dieting. I'm not sure this has demonstrated to everyone's satisfaction using adequate study methodologies, double blind etc. etc. Too many studies are relatively short duration and self reporting isn't usually highly accurate. So who knows, and if there is the metabolic advantage always claimed by Atkins, it's not clear that it necessarily lasts over long-term adaptation to a low-carb diet. Nevertheless, the biggest advantage of low carb dieting, to my mind, is appetite suppression (at least in terms of weight loss). Ketosis suppresses diet, but even lowering carbohydrate intake significantly will lower appetite for most people. This makes it far easier to eat less and keep calories down to the point that will allow body fat to be burned. HG "Dr. Stephen Sondike of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City put overweight teenagers on comparison diets for two months. The ones on Atkins lost twice as much as those on the low-fat diet. Yet they appeared to eat about 700 more calories a day than the others." Let me see. Should I believe someone who has got off their lazy fat a.s and actually done studies on this or someone who posts their lame opinion on a newgroup for fatties?? PJ >> >> <stepping to the podium> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >HG Those of us who take calories seriously here are those of us who have been low carbing a whole lot longer than the 2 months of the Mt. Sinai study. Short term weight loss with a low carb diet is usually impressive. But come back in a few months and you'll see that after that initial speedy loss a lot of people slow way down or stall, and if the stall doesn't break after a month or two, it's time to start looking at calories. It worked for me. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type II diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > "Dr. Stephen Sondike of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City > put overweight teenagers on comparison diets for two months. The ones [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > >HG > "Dr. Stephen Sondike of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City > put overweight teenagers on comparison diets for two months. The ones [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a.s and actually done studies on this or someone who posts their lame > opinion on a newgroup for fatties?? I wish the study extended 2 years instead of 2 months. Low carbing does have an initial water loss that may be more than other diets. In two months, the effect of this is significant. In 2 years, it would be less significant. I am greatly hoping for a more long term study on this. i > I wish the study extended 2 years instead of 2 months. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I am greatly hoping for a more long term study on this. Have you checked out the "5 Pound Challenge" stats collected on this newsgroup? While they don't have the rigor of a well-conducted scientific study, they do provide some data about what people who are past the first couple months of the diet really lose. http://www.lowcarblosers.com . For charts that analyze several months worth of Challenge data, see http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/dietpage.htm -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm Excellent sites Janny, thanks. I suspect though that you may not be properly accounting for people who drop out. Have I missed anything? i >> I wish the study extended 2 years instead of 2 months. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm The challenge survey is "self-reported" which always makes people suspicious. But given the millieu, the self-reporting bias should work in the direction of people exaggerating weight loss rather than claiming less than they actually lost. So I suspect that the figures are representative. Here's another study that gives very helpful information--a recent study that compared Atkins, Ornish, Zone and Weight Watchers diets. The number of participants who dropped out over a year was 50%. That was the same as for Ornish dieters, but far higher than the 35% reported for Weight Watchers and Zone dieters. Quoting from the study: "Patients were evenly assigned to the Atkins (low carbohydrates), Zone (moderate carbohydrates), Ornish (low-fat vegetarian), or Weight Watchers (moderate fat) diet and told to follow the diet "to the best of their ability for two months," he said. Patients were given official diet cookbooks and assigned to small group classes for diet education. For the remaining 10 months, the volunteers were told to follow their assigned diet "to whatever extent they wanted." The study "evaluated only the food program, not any additional lifestyle modifications such as meditation or exercise," he said. <snip> "For those who stuck with the diet for 12 months, reductions in weight and Framingham risk score were 3.9% and 12.3% for Atkins (n=21; 52% completion), 6.2% and 6.6% for Ornish (n=20; 50% completion), 4.5% and 14.7% for Weight Watchers (n=26; 65% completion), and 4.6% and 10.5% for Zone (n=26; 65% completion). All diets resulted in significant (P < .05) weight loss from baseline and all but the Ornish diet (P = .013) resulted in significant reductions in the Framingham risk score, he said." http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/464193 Note the modest 3.9% weight loss after a year for the Atkins group. That is in line with our Challenge numbers from long-term dieters. My guess is that with better support and education, the low carb group could have done better. But since most people who start a low carb diet do only read the Atkins book and don't get further support and education, this modest result probably reflects what happens in the real world. OTOH, for those of us who can only lose weight on a low carb diet, the results are cheering since the health risks and weight do go in the right direction over the longer term. --Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Excellent sites Janny, thanks. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > The challenge survey is "self-reported" which always makes people > suspicious. But given the millieu, the self-reporting bias should work in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > baseline and all but the Ornish diet (P = .013) resulted in significant > reductions in the Framingham risk score, he said." Funny how the diet that supposedly "reverses heart disease" failed to produce much result in the risk assessment score. Otherwise, thank you Jenny. It was certainly a very well designed study. i > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/464193 > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> > Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? >> > Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > "Dr. Stephen Sondike of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City > put overweight teenagers on comparison diets for two months. The ones [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > PJ As noted already by others, PJ, you should probably learn to critically evaluate the parameters of studies like this a little more effectively before criticizing the opinions of others on asdl-c. You just make yourself appear ill-informed. Two months is not considered "long term". Adaptation to the kind of significant change in dietary macronutrient composition that a low-carb diet represents probably takes months. I'd second the wish for longer studies. I know that for me, adaptation to vigorous physical exercise on LC did take several months, which is purely anecdotal but still an indicator. HG > Nevertheless, the biggest advantage of low carb dieting, to my mind, is > appetite suppression (at least in terms of weight loss). Ketosis suppresses > diet, but even lowering carbohydrate intake significantly will lower > appetite for most people. This makes it far easier to eat less and keep > calories down to the point that will allow body fat to be burned. I think there are further advantages that low-carb has than just appetite control First is the incomplete burning of fat. Fat burns *partially* to produce ketones, and then ketones burn as energy. But when you're in ketosis and drinking gobs of water, you're flushing unburnt ketones out of your body. This means you're losing fat that you only partially had to burn. So you don't need a 3500 kcal deficit to lose a lb of fat, but some lesser amount. Secondly is the shift from insulin-moderated to glucagon-moderated metabolism. On a high-carb diet "downhill" is in the direction of storing fat, that is what is easiest for your body to do. In ketosis (assuming sufficient calories), "downhill" is in the direction of removing fat from storage. I think this is why people "blow it" for a meal or two and report no gains, because their body isn't set-up for storing fat and if they get back on track rapidly enough, it never gets into fat-storing gear. I think these two advantages make it much easier to lose on a low-carb diet than on a generic calorie-restricted diet... and these and possibly other unknown mechanisms allow losses out-of-proportion to the calorie deficit. > >Damn, I've never seen it put more succinctly than that. Cool! > > Maybe cool to you but if you've read Atkin, you know it is completely > and totally inaccurate. > PJ Before you start using "Atkin" as your appeal to authority, perhaps you should learn how to spell "Atkin". Idiot. > Maybe cool to you but if you've read Atkin, you know it is completely and > totally inaccurate. what color is the sky where you live, PJ? Atkins does downplay the calories, but he distinctly attributes the weight loss to caloric deficit (along with the dubious science of the "metabolic advantage"). Maybe YOU need to read it again? HTH~Stretch~ >> Damn, I've never seen it put more succinctly than that. Cool! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> >>> 2. Weight loss is about calories. >Atkins does downplay the calories, but he distinctly attributes the weight >loss to caloric deficit (along with the dubious science of the "metabolic >advantage"). Maybe YOU need to read it again? Sources please. Give me the actual Atkins quote, not something else you just fabricate in your weak mind. PJ >HTH~Stretch~ > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>>> >>>> 2. Weight loss is about calories. > Wait a minute...It's about carbs, not calories, right? > (just feel like giving you a forum -- tee hee hee) It is about carbs AND calories. You need to watch both, and balance your diet. People seem to think that they could eat 3000 calories a day as long as they do not eat carbs, and still continue to lose weight at the same rate they did in the first two weeks... That is a misconception however. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Wendy Are you incorporating exercise into your diet? It is important to exercise, as it will burn fat faster for you while you are in ketosis, and you will eventually start to gain muscle. This muscle gain may not be visible on the outside, but it will be there, and as such, your resting metabolism increases, and you burn calories faster in your daily life. If you want an OBVIOUS example of this, look at body builders who eat 5x the amount of normal people, but never gain a pound. You don't need to get a gym membership to exercise, you can just take a 30 minute vigorous walk every day, instead of driving to the grocery store walk, or get a pilates tape and do 30 minutes of that... there are so many ways to get exercise that don't require a gym or weights. Also, count calories, because calories count. You need to find out an approximation of what your base level of calories is based on your lifestyle (the amount of calories your body would require to burn to make your body function), and then factor in your lifestyle, and then see how many more calories you are taking in than you burn. You can eat low carb, but still take in too many calories. If you eat beef or anything else that is high calories, you can be taking in a ton all at once. This happens with me, so I need to watch that I eat lower cal some days. I can eat 1lb beef (net weight before cooking) and take in over 1200 calories! The same basic rules apply in a low carb diet, you will burn fat with ketosis, but you need to burn more calories than you take in eventually, because you can only lose so much weight via ketosis before you start to hit your limit. use www.fitday.com to track what you eat, and your activities, and you will get an excellent idea of what you need to do to lose weight. Fitday.com is 110% FREE, so no excuses. Good luck. Steve > > I really > > would love a tread mill but we can't afford one. What other exercise > > can I do indoors? > get a pilates tape and do 30 minutes of that... There are also *many* aerobics and resistance training tapes/DVDs that will give you a pretty good workout. You can find them cheap at second hand stores or eBay. > > > I really > > > would love a tread mill but we can't afford one. What other exercise [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > give you a pretty good workout. You can find them cheap at second hand > stores or eBay. Definitely. The important thing to remember is that just because it isn't a current fad, it doesn't mean it isn't a good workout. If you can get some old Suzanne sommers tape from the 1990's for $1, its as good as a set of pilates tapes for $50. Pilates comes to mind because it will increase flexibility in muscles, as well as acts as a good resistance training method which generally is lower impact and will not be too hard on a person. There are also tons of pilaties books at most libraries. Pilaties is not a new idea, and it isn't something that just one person has written about, as the commercials seem to make out. >Pilates comes to mind because it will increase flexibility in muscles, lol Clueless. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040102.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >Are you incorporating exercise into your diet? >It is important to exercise, as it will burn fat faster for you while you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Also, count calories, because calories count. You're just a rambling array of cliches. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040102.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >Are you incorporating exercise into your diet? > >It is important to exercise, as it will burn fat faster for you while you [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You're just a rambling array of cliches. And hey, you did not help her at all. Good for you. If you want to help out, then post helpful things. If not, then just go back to lurking, you know it all. >> >Also, count calories, because calories count. >> >> You're just a rambling array of cliches. >And hey, you did not help her at all. >Good for you. I helper her by pointing out that you are nothing more than a rambling array of cliches. I would suggest you learn a hell of a lot more about what you are rambling about before you "assist" any poster. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >> >Also, count calories, because calories count. > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I would suggest you learn a hell of a lot more about what you are > rambling about before you "assist" any poster. And when you can be big enough to stop changing identities, and can offer some more help to people other than "you suck" type posts to others, you can be one to talk. Until then, you are not helpful. >> I would suggest you learn a hell of a lot more about what you are >> rambling about before you "assist" any poster. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >be one to talk. >Until then, you are not helpful. How long you been blowing your BS around here? A month? When you figure out who I am and what I know, then I will begin paying attention to your cliche riddled head. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >> I would suggest you learn a hell of a lot more about what you are > >> rambling about before you "assist" any poster. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. I don't care who you are. You have not ever replied to one of my threads and given me good advice, and you are just acting like a jerk. Perhaps you are full of great advice. For all I know, you have a degree in sports medicine, or biology, or physiology, but that doesn't mean jack if you decide to bash people and belittle them. I have been here more than a month also. Thanks >I don't care who you are. You better find out fast b/c soon you are going to wander into an area where I will gladly hand you your a.s in a handbasket. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >I don't care who you are. > > You better find out fast b/c soon you are going to wander into an area > where I will gladly hand you your a.s in a handbasket. Why don't you just tell me. If you are willing to help people like me who are not professional trainers, etc out instead of ripping them apart... I am sure you are full of good advice, but why the hate in your posts. I don't have time to look you up on google groups. Sorry. >Why don't you just tell me. >I don't have time to look you up on google groups. Sorry. You've spent hours just today posting here and now you tell me you have no time? lol http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >Why don't you just tell me. > > >I don't have time to look you up on google groups. Sorry. > > You've spent hours just today posting here and now you tell me you > have no time? Internet and Usenet are two very different things. You can access Usenet without being able to access the internet. This is my situation here, while I am at work. Again, sorry. If you are proud of yourself and your knowledge, then go ahead and just tell me. have a good night. Steve >Internet and Usenet are two very different things. No kidding. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>Internet and Usenet are two very different things. > > No kidding. Oh, look. Mu_stiness left out the most important part in his reply, but why would anyone be surprised? Here. Let me put it back in. Steven offered this opportunity for Mu_ttonhead to show his colors: >If you are proud of yourself and your knowledge, then go ahead and >just tell me. Note there was no telling. Poor Mu_x. Ashamed of himself. Finally a light of intelligence. Pastorio >>I don't care who you are. > > You better find out fast b/c soon you are going to wander into an area > where I will gladly hand you your a.s in a handbasket. Ooooooh. Brrrr. Sounds of deep fear. <LOL> Poor Mu_sical Chairs thinks he's fierce and scary. Like your average muppet. In another few posts, he talks about clichés, but the silly troll even screws *that* up. "...hand you your a.s in a handbasket...?" <LOL> English she is a hardly language, huh, Mu_ssuck. I wonder why he stopped calling himself "fishbone." Pastorio > When you figure out who I am A: Nobody. A vicious bag of flatulence who could be Aunt Mabel for all anyone knows. > and what I know A: Nothing. -- Steve >>>I would suggest you learn a hell of a lot more about what you are >>>rambling about before you "assist" any poster. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > When you figure out who I am and what I know, then I will begin paying > attention to your cliche riddled head. Here, let me help, Mu_sty. Steven, this is the infamous troll who goes under several different names. He's a liar, a fraud, a braggart and a blustering clown who claims many skills and talents yet hides behind a long string of phony name so he can't be checked out. He's buddies with Chung the quack and fraud. Think "bookends." Here, click on these: www.geocities.com/tanirevek/Roose.html <http://tinyurl.com/hdex> Figuring out what he knows is a five minute project. Asleep. Pastorio > >>>I would suggest you learn a hell of a lot more about what you are > >>>rambling about before you "assist" any poster. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Pastorio Thanks Pastorio. At first I thought "this person may just be another one of these fitness experts who has a mean streak", but after not demonstrating any practical knowledge, I realized he is just a troll who likes to try and raise the blood pressure of others. Steve >Thanks Pastorio. Goodbye Moron. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>Thanks Pastorio. > > Goodbye Moron. Again? How many times you gotta killfile me, Mu_shroom? Oh, wait. It isn't about the killfile, it's about the public display. And calling a name. Carry on. Pastorio "Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_doktersteve@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ow1Kb.79084$6b2.50078@edtnps84 > And when you can be big enough to stop changing identities, and can > offer some more help to people other than "you suck" type posts to > others, you can be one to talk. > Until then, you are not helpful. It never was, Steve. www.geocities.com/tanirevek/Roose.html I suggest you killfile it since it bothers you. I suggest all the newbiew killfile it. Of course you have to be using a newsreader and a nntp server to make use of that most useful of tools. Web boards don't have that kind of feature. www.newsreaders.com for everything you ever wanted to know about the various newsreaders. www.individual.net is the most popular free nntp server. hth Signaturerevek Death was Nature's way of telling you to slow down. {Strata, 1981} > >> >Also, count calories, because calories count. > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I helper her by pointing out that you are nothing more than a rambling > array of cliches. Cliches start somewhere. A lot of them get started because, um, they're true. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna > > >> >Also, count calories, because calories count. > > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cliches start somewhere. A lot of them get started because, um, they're > true. If I really was misleading her with what I said, I wouldn't be put off that mr know it all said what he did, Luna :D >Cliches start somewhere. A lot of them get started because, um, they're >true. Um, they are usually gross generalizations that less discerning folk take as automatic answers for complex, ever-evovlving questions. Why did you stop going to Curves? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >Cliches start somewhere. A lot of them get started because, um, they're > >true. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. I stopped going as frequently because a combination of them changing their schedule, and my work schedule being changed, meant that I'd have to go way early and have an hour and a half between working out and going to work. My Curves is right across the street from my work. So, basically, I was just being too lazy to get up early. Then I got sick, then they were closed for the holidays, blah blah blah. I start back tomorrow. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna >I stopped going as frequently because a combination of them changing their >schedule, and my work schedule being changed, meant that I'd have to go way >early and have an hour and a half between working out and going to work. >My Curves is right across the street from my work. So, basically, I was >just being too lazy to get up early. Then I got sick, then they were closed >for the holidays, blah blah blah. I start back tomorrow. Tell them I said HI! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>Cliches start somewhere. A lot of them get started because, um, they're >>true. > > Um, they are usually gross generalizations that less discerning folk > take as automatic answers for complex, ever-evovlving questions. Like eating two pounds of food a day and everything else will take care of itself. Except Chung has changed his song lately to tell people to ask their doctors about it./ That's why doctors seem so cheerful nowadays. It's from all the laughter about the "diet." But Luna is quite correct. Clichés are born out of a nucleus of truth that resonates with people. Pastorio > After the first 2 weeks I have lost 2 lbs, a total of 17lbs in 5 > weeks. Is this normal? I need to lose another 27 to get from 177 to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can I do indoors? > Wendy There are many things you could do indoors. Jump rope--or get one of those really small trampolines and jog in place. You could get some dumbbells and start a weight lifting program at home. Or watch those exercise shows on TV and follow along. Have a two story house? Do stairwalking. Have a bicycle? Get a trainer stand to put the rear wheel on and ride while watching the TV. And, yes, I think you are expecting too much, too fast. We get tricked by those come-ons saying that we can lose a bunch of weight without effort. Pretty soon, we start thinking there is something wrong with us if we don't lose 20 pounds in 10 days. The week before Christmas, I was hearing ads on the radio saying "Lose 20 pounds by Christmas!" Real weight loss takes longer---if you don't want it to come back fast, it has to go off slowly (after the first flush of water loss). So, relax. We're in this for the long run. Pat in TX where it was nearly 80 degrees yesterday, I swear! Was I distracted and missed Winter, somehow? You can take the baby out in a stroller, or for a walk if the baby can walk, in more or less any weather. For example, 0F is a fine weather and you need to take the baby out. An idea that, say, 30F is too cold is absurd and hilarious. Just dress the baby properly. The baby will do fine. People don't take kids out in cold weather usually because a) they are too lazy to walk and cold weather is a good excuse and b) because they are too lazy to dress and undress the kids, which is a PITA. Indoors, you can strength train using calisthenics and dumbbells. You can pick cheap exercise equipment at garage sales usually. People buy that stuff around Jan 1 due to "new year resolutions" and never use it. Do not buy new equipment, it is a waste of money. Jumping jacks is a good indoor cardio exercise, if you have healthy joints and are not too heavy. i 223/175/180 > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Wendy ... > You can take the baby out in a stroller, or for a walk if the baby can > walk, in more or less any weather. For example, 0F is a fine weather [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > i > 223/175/180 ignoramus, you have no idea of what the sidewalks, roads, or available walking paths are where she lives. It could be sleeting ice or the snow packed up on the sidewalks so that she'd have to walk in the road. And yet you start telling her she's lazy? Pat in TX > ... >> You can take the baby out in a stroller, or for a walk if the baby can [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > packed up on the sidewalks so that she'd have to walk in the road. And yet > you start telling her she's lazy? Her justification was that it is "too cold". I explained that it was bullshit. i > > ignoramus, you have no idea of what the sidewalks, roads, or available > > walking paths are where she lives. It could be sleeting ice or the snow > > packed up on the sidewalks so that she'd have to walk in the road. And yet > > you start telling her she's lazy? > > Her justification was that it is "too cold". I explained that it was bullshit. "too cold" is subjective. you don't know exactly what's going on in anyone else's world, and you shouldn't be such an intractable a.s all the time. >> > ignoramus, you have no idea of what the sidewalks, roads, or available >> > walking paths are where she lives. It could be sleeting ice or the snow [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > anyone else's world, and you shouldn't be such an intractable a.s all > the time. She lives in Baltimore, MD. http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22live+in%22+author:love2ebay2%40aol.com&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1ab9e68e.0209220512.2addd4b5%40posting.google.com&rnum =3 Right now it is 57 degrees in Baltimore. I am doubtful it often gets very cold there (below 0f). http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USMD0018.html Too cold to walk with kids, haha. It is about 28F here and I plan on a 1-1.5 hour walk with my toddler after he is done napping. He will be well dressed and we'll play with snow. i > >> > ignoramus, you have no idea of what the sidewalks, roads, or > >> > available walking paths are where she lives. It could be sleeting [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > after he is done napping. He will be well dressed and we'll play with > snow. 57 isn't too cold for me, but i'm not her. who knows what her situation is? i don't, and neither do you. most people do just need to get off their a.s and move, no excuses, but if it's uncomfortable to do it then it can be kind of discouraging. there are other things she can do for exercise that don't require leaving the house. walking is hardly the only option. >> >> > ignoramus, you have no idea of what the sidewalks, roads, or >> >> > available walking paths are where she lives. It could be sleeting [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > 57 isn't too cold for me, but i'm not her. who knows what her situation > is? i don't, and neither do you. just admit that I was right this time QOB&J... Someday I will be wrong and I will admit it then, okay? i > most people do just need to get off their a.s and move, no excuses, but > if it's uncomfortable to do it then it can be kind of discouraging. > there are other things she can do for exercise that don't require > leaving the house. walking is hardly the only option. > >> >> > ignoramus, you have no idea of what the sidewalks, roads, or > >> >> > available walking paths are where she lives. It could be sleeting [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Someday I will be wrong and I will admit it then, okay? What if the OP lives in a bad neighorhood and doesn't feel comfortable walking around outside? >> In article <1g71ec4.oem9tmwzxjxcN%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet>, The Queen of > Cans and Jars wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > What if the OP lives in a bad neighorhood and doesn't feel comfortable > walking around outside? She said that it was too cold... i > >> In article <1g71ec4.oem9tmwzxjxcN%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet>, The Queen of > > Cans and Jars wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > She said that it was too cold... Maybe she meant the people were cold. ;-) > Her justification was that it is "too cold". I explained that it was > bullshit. What's bullshit is that you have absolutely no idea where she lives or what the temperature is. Would you bundle your baby up and go for a walk when it was -18F (-36F with windchill)? That's the temperature at this moment in Great Falls, Montana. How do you know she doesn't live there? Or somewhere even colder? >> Her justification was that it is "too cold". I explained that it was >> bullshit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Great Falls, Montana. How do you know she doesn't live there? Or somewhere > even colder? She lives in Baltimore, MD. http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22live+in%22+author:love2ebay2%40aol.com&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1ab9e68e.0209220512.2addd4b5%40posting.google.com&rnum =3 Right now it is 57 degrees in Baltimore. I am doubtful it often gets very cold there (below 0f). http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USMD0018.html Too cold to walk with kids, haha. It is about 28F here and I plan on a 1-1.5 hour walk with my toddler after he is done napping. He will be well dressed and we'll play with snow. i Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental opinions to yourself. I'm not taking my baby outside in the freezing cold just so I can get my exercise in. What's bullshit about that? You're an idiot. And to everyone who has written encouraging words, thank you! I signed up at fitday.com and as of today I am calculating everything I eat. I am going back to induction and cutting out all the nuts, jello, etc. I bought an exercise tape today and I am going to do that when my baby is asleep a few times a week. Wendy > > Her justification was that it is "too cold". I explained that it was > > bullshit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Great Falls, Montana. How do you know she doesn't live there? Or somewhere > even colder? > Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken > care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental > opinions to yourself. Agreed. it takes a ton of energy to do that. I dont think i could to it. > I'm not taking my baby outside in the freezing cold just so I can get > my exercise in. What's bullshit about that? You're an idiot. Why risk the health. It isnt worth it. > And to everyone who has written encouraging words, thank you! I > signed up at fitday.com and as of today I am calculating everything I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wendy And best of luck to you. You can do it! just believe in yourself. >> Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken >> care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental >> opinions to yourself. > > Agreed. it takes a ton of energy to do that. I dont think i could > to it. not that difficult. I routinely cared for mine for a whole day, no big deal, although time consuming. Very rewarding also, at 9 months, for instance, they are babbling and very lovely, crawling around etc. >> I'm not taking my baby outside in the freezing cold just so I can get >> my exercise in. What's bullshit about that? You're an idiot. > > Why risk the health. It isnt worth it. There is no risk to health for kids who are properly dressed and play outside in winter. i >> And to everyone who has written encouraging words, thank you! I >> signed up at fitday.com and as of today I am calculating everything I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And best of luck to you. > You can do it! just believe in yourself. > >> Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken > >> care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > There is no risk to health for kids who are properly dressed and play > outside in winter. Evidently, you have never been in my neck of the woods at winter. Yesterday it was -30C (-25F), and with the wind it was close to -40C (pretty much the same Fahrenheit scale). . > > There is no risk to health for kids who are properly dressed and play > > outside in winter. > > Evidently, you have never been in my neck of the woods at winter. > Yesterday it was -30C (-25F), and with the wind it was close to -40C (pretty > much the same Fahrenheit scale). Wow! It was nearly 80 here for the last few days. They played the Cottonbowl in 80 degree weather. Imagine that for January! Pat in TX >> >> Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken >> >> care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Yesterday it was -30C (-25F), and with the wind it was close to -40C (pretty > much the same Fahrenheit scale). I never advocated taking kids out in such weather. (even though I did go outside in such weather when I was a kid). The OP is in Baltimore, MD and was hardly exposed to such extremes. i > >> >> Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken > >> >> care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > go outside in such weather when I was a kid). The OP is in Baltimore, > MD and was hardly exposed to such extremes. I understand now. thanks. >> In article <Jo3Kb.160784$ss5.105194@clgrps13>, Steven C (Doktersteve) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I understand now. > thanks. the thing about really cold temperatures is, frostbite can happen very quickly. Let's say that you forget some piece of the kid's clothing, or don't check the cheeks or nose or ears etc, then they could have a serious frostbite injury. None of this applies to playing for a little while in, say, 25F, but it becomes more important as you consider lower and lower temps. Properly dressed, even -30C is safe, as such, but you need to check ears/cheeks/noses etc, make sure that feet are warm and so on. I would recommend taking kids out up to 0F, and would take mine out up to -5F (for a short period), but no more than that. I would walk to train until -30c but not any colder. (40 minute walk) i > >> In article <Jo3Kb.160784$ss5.105194@clgrps13>, Steven C (Doktersteve) > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > to -5F (for a short period), but no more than that. I would walk to > train until -30c but not any colder. (40 minute walk) I am wondering if you have ever walked 40 minutes in -30C. I am just curious. Here, in western Canada, exposed skin generally freezes in less than 5 minutes in those temperatures. When you get down to -40C, they issue warnings. You cannot have exposed skin at these temperatures for long. Heh, I don't wear contacts at these temps. >> In article <VX3Kb.161502$ss5.99795@clgrps13>, Steven C (Doktersteve) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > I am wondering if you have ever walked 40 minutes in -30C. yes. > I am just curious. > Here, in western Canada, exposed skin generally freezes in less than 5 > minutes in those temperatures. When you get down to -40C, they issue > warnings. > You cannot have exposed skin at these temperatures for long. > Heh, I don't wear contacts at these temps. I did it in Russia because we still needed to go shopping etc. (and we all walked to stores). Basically, obviously you can't have too much exposed skin and you need to be careful. We would cover kids' skin with some oil, like goose oil, plus it was important to slap the cheeks and check on them and so on, to help circulation. Then the skin does not freeze. It is not that big of a deal, just about paying attention and being conservative. i > >> In article <VX3Kb.161502$ss5.99795@clgrps13>, Steven C (Doktersteve) > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > It is not that big of a deal, just about paying attention and being > conservative. I agree with you there. I knew a vegetarian once who used to look down on me because I wore leather in the winter, but one day he put my gloves on and had to admit how warm they were. Animal skin is amazing for keeping warm. It sounds like you have had a very interesting life. It is nice to know there are a few here who understand what real cold weather is like. I take transit and walk everywhere, so you get used to it in time. >> > I am wondering if you have ever walked 40 minutes in -30C. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > they were. > Animal skin is amazing for keeping warm. I had the same experience. My vegetarian friend was against use of animals etc. Then when it became freezing cold, she accepted an inverted sheepskin jacket (dublenka) because it worked and goretex type stuff did not work as well. > It sounds like you have had a very interesting life. it is fun, at times... > It is nice to know there are a few here who understand what real cold > weather is like. > > I take transit and walk everywhere, so you get used to it in time. Beautiful! Cold weather needs to be respected, not feared. i "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote: > > In article <VX3Kb.161502$ss5.99795@clgrps13>, Steven C (Doktersteve) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > You cannot have exposed skin at these temperatures for long. > Heh, I don't wear contacts at these temps. Why are you walking around with exposed skin? Myway > "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Myway It is an inevitability that SOME skin is exposed, unless you use a balaclava to cover up, which most people do not. I cannot wear one of those, as I have sensitive skin, and the material rubbing against my face causes problems. I bet you take your kid along when you feed the crocs. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > > >> In article <Jo3Kb.160784$ss5.105194@clgrps13>, Steven C (Doktersteve) [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > i > I bet you take your kid along when you feed the crocs. Believe it or not... We visited a crocodile pen while in San Francisco Aquarium. He looked at the crocodile sitting and water and said, "I want to go there and play with the crocodile". He was about 1 year 7 months old, then. i 223/176/180 > Someone called me lazy! HA! That's funny. You obviously haven't taken > care of a 9 month old full-time. You need to keep your judgemental > opinions to yourself. > > I'm not taking my baby outside in the freezing cold just so I can get > my exercise in. What's bullshit about that? You're an idiot. It is not just about you. The baby needs to be outside also. You are neglecting the baby's needs. Children benefit from being outside... Otherwise your baby will never grow up to learn to like being outdoors... and will more likely become a fat TV bound couch potato... My tot spent 1 hr 20 minutes in the "freezing cold" with me and my wife today... Wallowing in snow, "helping" clean the driveway etc. He had a great time and did not want to go home. My neighbor who tries to stay fit also took his tot for a walk, in a stroller. > And to everyone who has written encouraging words, thank you! I > signed up at fitday.com and as of today I am calculating everything I > eat. I am going back to induction and cutting out all the nuts, > jello, etc. I bought an exercise tape today and I am going to do that > when my baby is asleep a few times a week. i > Wendy > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Great Falls, Montana. How do you know she doesn't live there? Or somewhere >> even colder? :: In article <1ab9e68e.0401041652.172e6a69@posting.google.com>, Wendy :: J. wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: being outdoors... and will more likely become a fat TV bound couch :: potato... Why don't you stop lecturing people on raising their kids, numbnuts? If she doesn't see fit to take her kid outside, that's it. Move the f.ck on. :: My tot spent 1 hr 20 minutes in the "freezing cold" with me and my :: wife today... Wallowing in snow, "helping" clean the driveway etc. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :::: the temperature at this moment in Great Falls, Montana. How do you :::: know she doesn't live there? Or somewhere even colder? >Why don't you stop lecturing people on raising their kids, numbnuts? If she >doesn't see fit to take her kid outside, that's it. Move the f.ck on. Uh, his name is Ignoramus. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >Why don't you stop lecturing people on raising their kids, numbnuts? If she > >doesn't see fit to take her kid outside, that's it. Move the f.ck on. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. So? If Albert Einstein were to have legally changed his name to "Clueless Dumbass", would that have made his IQ magically reduce? If you posted as "the worlds smartest man", would that make you any more intelligent? Yeah... That's what I thought. >> >Why don't you stop lecturing people on raising their kids, numbnuts? If > she [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If Albert Einstein were to have legally changed his name to "Clueless > Dumbass", would that have made his IQ magically reduce? ROTFLMAO. My Ignoramus alias is a quick method of exposing stupid people. Stupid people love to attack my posting handle because, alas, they have nothing better to say, being stupid and all. Obviously, as you noted, if I changed my alias to, say, "Omniscient Genius", the value of my posts would not change a iota. i > Yeah... That's what I thought. > Obviously, as you noted, if I changed my alias to, say, "Omniscient > Genius", the value of my posts would not change a iota. ah, but the irony would be delicious. Wendy, Exercise is helpful, but half an hour here and there is not going to make a huge difference in your weight. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you aren't exercising, it is because you need to adjust your food intake. I'm wondering what you are eating that is kicking you out of ketosis. Are you eating more than 45 grams of carbs? Are you counting only "net carbs" instead of all the carbs listed on the package label minus only fiber? Are you missing "hidden carbs" like the carbs in cheese and cream that don't show up in the label but do show up when you eat a bunch? Are you eating way too much protein, 58% of which turns into carbohydrate in the body? It is not necessary to be spilling ketones in order to lose weight, but when weight loss stops completely for several weeks and you are also not spilling ketones, it's a pretty good bet you are eating more carbs than you thought. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type II diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Wendy > Wendy, > > Exercise is helpful, but half an hour here and there is not going to make a > huge difference in your weight. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you > aren't exercising, it is because you need to adjust your food intake. I dissagree. If she were to exercise three times a week (that is about every other day) at regular thirty minute intervals, not only would she feel more energetic, but her weight loss would be sped up. If she burned 250-300 calories during a workout, she would lose. Steven, There is no way your typical out of shape person in their 30s or older is going to burn 300 real calories in a 30 minute exercise session. The numbers on the machines are about twice what you really burn for the level of activity involved and even with that inflation, it takes 45 minutes on the treadmill going at 80%+ of my calculated maximum heart rate for me to to get anywhere near 300 calories. When I use my software to calculate calories burned in exercise, which is much more accurate (as measured by my actual intake, exercise, and weight loss) the real calorie burn from 50 minutes of treadmill at 85% of my calculated cardiac capacity is only 220. Several of the women I exercise with are very faithful exercisers who do not diet. They say they've lost between 5 and 10 lbs a year through exercise (the higher amount being a woman who weighs considerably more than 200 lbs right now and exercises about 6 hours a week). The 1980s study of successful weight losers--people who lost 20% of their weight and kept it off for five years found that most of the women did not start to exercise until they'd gotten close to their weight goal. Once they did that, the weight loss was very helpful for maintaining the loss, but did not lead to significant further losses. That has been exactly my history and my experience. Nine months of faithful exercise has decreased my body fat percentage but I still weigh only a few pounds less than I weighed when I started the exercise regimen. Diet is the key factor in weight loss, and if you aren't losing it's almost always because you are eating wrong for the way your body works. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type II diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > Wendy, > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > energetic, but her weight loss would be sped up. > If she burned 250-300 calories during a workout, she would lose. > Wendy, > > Exercise is helpful, but half an hour here and there is not going to make a > huge difference in your weight. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you > aren't exercising, it is because you need to adjust your food intake. I disagree, too. A program of steady exercise is the key for any diet. You need to get those muscles in good tone and in shape. Overweight people typically are not athletes and their muscles need to be worked. Studies have shown that effects of exercise on a diet last even after a person stops exercising (specifically during the hours following exercise). So, excuse me---I have to go swim a mile. Pat in TX >I disagree, too. A program of steady exercise is the key for any diet. Speaking of a dark newsgroup...... http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040102.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >Exercise is helpful, but half an hour here and there is not going to make a >huge difference in your weight. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you >aren't exercising, it is because you need to adjust your food intake. One ray of light in a dark newsgroup. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040102.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > I have been doing Atkins for 4 weeks and 5 days. I lost 15lbs during Congratulations. From what you post below, you're down 17 lbs in 5 weeks, or over 3 lbs/week. I imagine your clothes are fitting better and you're probably starting to notice other benefits. > induction and I have basically stayed on it the whole time apart from > a few nuts here and there and 2 screw ups (over the past 3 weeks I > have had General Tso's chicken once, BBQ wings & fries once). After How many is a few nuts? Honestly. Those calories can really add up and you won't lose without a calorie deficit. > eating both of these I didn't put on any weight. I have also been > eating Sugar Free Jello most nights (which isn't bad is it? ... 0 > carbs, no sugar) This is just my opinion. I seriously doubt that the Jello will have any impact on your weight loss. Nevertheless, I think there's something to be said for getting out of the habit of having dessert. I get the same way about mid afternoon snacks and I have to keep reminding myself that a snack is not a constitutional right. <g> > After the first 2 weeks I have lost 2 lbs, a total of 17lbs in 5 > weeks. Is this normal? I need to lose another 27 to get from 177 to Yes, that's normal to good. First, you don't have a lot to lose, so you're not going to see the consistent drops that someone who is carrying around 100 extra lbs is going to get. Second, it's *extremely* common for weight loss to temporarily halt after about the first 2 weeks. This is just a time when your body is catching up with itself after a big drop. There's no reason to change what you're doing (despite what I said about the nuts and the jello), as there's no reason to think that this is anything other than your body's pause to regroup. Third, women in their childbearing years frequently find that weight loss only shows on the scale during certain times in their cycle. I find I can actually go up 5 lbs in the weeks before my period, not because I've put on fat, but just from water. Then it drops and I have a new low (I hope) which then creeps up for a while and so on. The eventual trend is downward, but sometimes you'll see times when hormones mask the fact that you're still losing fat. > 150 and I am feeling discouraged. I know I need to exercise. The > only exercise I do it running errands and housework. I have a baby > and it is too cold to take her walking in the stroller. I really > would love a tread mill but we can't afford one. What other exercise > can I do indoors? Put on some music and dance around? I don't do this as often as I should - not only is it great exercise, but I like to think I'm injecting a little humor into the lives of my across the street neighbours. If you want to add some weight to your routine, hold the baby while you dance - just stay away from balconies and crocodiles. > I am also not in Ketosis like I was in the first 2 weeks. Should I go > back to the strict induction I was on? Do you mean that the sticks are registering negative or that they're not as dark as they were? If they're registering at all, you are in ketosis. If they're not, you might or might not be. Ketosis isn't necessary for losing weight on a low carb diet. If it were me, I'd just stay in whatever the step after induction is (OWL?) but try to rein in the flatly off plan eating. If you haven't seen any additional loss after a full menstrual cycle, then start tweaking. > I would appreciate any help because I feel like I am in a rut or maybe > I am expecting too much. Thanks! I think you're expecting to much. You're more than a third of your way to goal in a little over a month. How bad is that? Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > eating Sugar Free Jello most nights (which isn't bad is it? ... 0 > carbs, no sugar) > Wendy The 15lbs you lost during induction is not typical. We all lose water weight at first, which probably accounts for 8-10 lbs of your 15 lbs. This actually typical of most diets. The cheats/screw ups you allowed yourself knocked you out of Ketosis. While ketosis is not necessary to lose weight, the items you listed are all very high carb, which gets your body back to burning glycogen instead of fat. You really need to avoid sugar and potato based cheats. There a ton of recipes for LC snacks floating around. Find some things that appeal to you and use them when you need them, otherwise, stay strictly low carb based on where you stand on the Atkins plan. If you haven't already...read the Atkins book. It will reinforce that any cheating will throw your weight loss off. It will also tell you what to expect, which is you do not lose weight going LC any faster than other WOE over the long run, which is how you should approach this. Norsk Wow! I enjoyed reading the posts but now I am really confused about exercise. I always thought that exercise burns more fat hence you lose more weight but after reading some of the posts it sounds like that isn't the case. I am going to buy a couple of exercise tapes from eBay and see how they go. I do know that exercise in itself makes me feel better so I am going to start it when my baby is napping. The scale was down another lb today and I am looking at it a different way ... 3 more lbs and I will have lost 20 lbs. That sounds better to me. Today I am going back to induction and going to note all the carbs and calories daily. I am not going to cheat (no more nuts, jello, chinese, etc.) and see what happens. I am just not sure how many calories I need. How do I find this out? Oh, and sex obviously isn't working too well at making me lose weight for the person who mentioned that :-) My main problem as far as eating is the evening. I am fine during the day but after dinner around 6pm I start searching the cabinets for food :-0 I wonder why this is. I feel like I need something to much on but I don't know what to have. That's why I have been eating Jello. Wendy > The 15lbs you lost during induction is not typical. We all lose water weight > at first, which probably accounts for 8-10 lbs of your 15 lbs. This actually [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Norsk :: Wow! I enjoyed reading the posts but now I am really confused about :: exercise. I always thought that exercise burns more fat hence you [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: jello, chinese, etc.) and see what happens. I am just not sure how :: many calories I need. How do I find this out? A good place to start is 10 times bodyweight and work from there. If that doesn't produce weight loss, then can drop it to 9x, then to 8x, so until you see results. :: Oh, and sex obviously isn't working too well at making me lose weight :: for the person who mentioned that :-) Try moving more :) :: My main problem as far as eating is the evening. I am fine during :: the :: day but after dinner around 6pm I start searching the cabinets for :: food :-0 I wonder why this is. I feel like I need something to much :: on but I don't know what to have. That's why I have been eating :: Jello. Try knitting. Walking. Watching a tape. Eat the jello. :: Wendy :: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] ::: ::: Norsk > My main problem as far as eating is the evening. I am fine during the > day but after dinner around 6pm I start searching the cabinets for > food :-0 I wonder why this is. I feel like I need something to much > on but I don't know what to have. That's why I have been eating > Jello. Wendy, I used to have that problem too. Jello is actually a good solution, so long as it's the diet kind. I'd put a little whipped cream on it and that little bit of sweet really helped. Another thing that worked for me was blending cream cheese with artificial sweetener and various flavorings, sometimes nuts. Then I'd chill it in the freezer and have a couple tablespoons for dessert. My favorite was cream cheese sweetened with artificial sweetener and flavored with a bit of lemon, pineapple, and lemon flavorings, then a bit of unsweetened coconut and a couple chopped macadamia nuts. It kind of tastes like an exotic tropical ice cream when it's chilled, but it can be made up quite quickly. I got to the point where I'd often be satisfied with a cup of coffee with cream and sweetener, sometimes with a flavor added (such as the Divinci syrups, but even a couple drops of vanilla or chocolate flavoring works). If you can fit it into your carb count, a small dish of berries (fresh, or this time of year thawed frozen) is nice topped with some whipped cream, sweetened sour cream, or sweetened full-fat yogurt. Just remember that the cream, cream cheese, and full-fat yogurt are fairly high in calories, so keep the portions pretty small and savor them. I do think these little treats are worth the carbs and calories, for me anyhow. I really crave a little something sweet at the end of a meal. Maybe it's just long habit, but it's always seemed easier to accommodate it in a low-carb way, which keeps me from straying. HG >I have been doing Atkins for 4 weeks and 5 days. WOW! A whole month! You dropped 15 pounds in a month and now you are discouraged? Grow up. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040102.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. 1) 17 lbs in 5 weeks is great. Very typical. also typical is for weight loss to slow after the first two weeks. 2) you need to pay attention to your calories. Use fitday.com to track for about 2 weeks. keep eating the way you are now. if your weight doesn't change of that two weeks, you're eating at maintenance. if you have lost, then you are eating below. if you have gained, you are eating too much. Assuming you're eating at maintenance, start lowering your calories from there, trying to create about a 500 kcal/day deficit -- you can do that by eating some amount less than you were (say 300 kcals per day), and/or you can find a way to add in some exercise, like jumping rope, jumping jacks, running in place, walking, etc (say 200 kcals / day in exercise). that should produce about 1 lb per week of weight loss, which is fine. Is there no one who can watch the kid for 30 minutes while you go walking? The benefits of exercise go beyond just burning calories, btw, so even if it doesn't help much with weight loss (just doing 30 min per day) you still should do it, imo. On LC, 15 lbs in 5 weeks is normal, but a lot of that is water weight that happens quickly at the beginning. After you've loss that, then the fat-loss comes and that will be determined by your calorie intake. If you're not losing anymore, then your calorie intake is very likely too high, espeically on LC where you're eating mainly high-fat foods. Cutting carbs isn't all that you have to pay attention too. You may need to start watching your fat & calorie intake, cut the nuts entirely, and stop eating out. Preparing your own meals is really the best way to know for sure what and how much you're eating. I suggest you purchase an electronic food scale too, so you can be sure of how much you're eating (a measuring cup is also useful, but I assume you have that -- but if you don't, get that too, along with measuring spoons in 1 Tbs, 1 ts, etc.) :: Hi, :: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] :: :: Wendy > 1) 17 lbs in 5 weeks is great. Very typical. also typical is for weight > loss to slow after the first two weeks. > > 2) you need to pay attention to your calories. Use fitday.com to track for > about 2 weeks. Why is it that when I say that, no one listens Roger? ;-) Steve (Who must be "too new" to listen to). My first thought when reading your post was this..... Before you started trying to lose weight, how many times did you way yourself on a regular basis? Probably as much as I did, maybe once or twice a year. I didn't want to know how out of control my weight problem was. Now that weighing myself is a daily ritual, I notice many flunctuations both up and down. Since induction I've seen a couple three and four week stalls. The whole idea is to note when these happen, try various methods to get over the stall and learn from the experience. Personally, I found upping my water intake, getting a bit more exercise and having a carbed up meal helped. Also, another thing I've learned. When the scales show no movement or go up a bit, I take measurements and the tape measure says I've lost inches. When I don't lose on the tape measure, the scales say I lose weight. I don't know how it all works, but it's working for me. I try to take my measurements once a month. Your body is unique and you have to start listening to it, noting changes and working hard to stay within your bodies guidelines for weight loss. Stalls are really hard when you're in the middle of one. Adding carbs, subtracting carbs, adding fat, subtracting sugar alcohols, etc. But if you learn to take notice to how they work for you personally, you'll eventually learn that they just go with the territory. And you'll learn different ways to break the stall. But like I said before, take measurements, you might be amazed at what you see! I'm no expert on low carb eating but I'm slowing getting to know how my body ticks. 53 pounds in 8 months might be far less than some have lost, but each and every pound has been a learning experience. And I now feel like I have an understanding on how my body works. Never give up! SignatureKelly 270/216.5/140 35 1/2 Inches, Haven't taken measurements since Nov. Start Date: April 21, 2003 January Challenge Weight: 211.5 > 1) 17 lbs in 5 weeks is great. Very typical. also typical is for weight > loss to slow after the first two weeks. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > :: > :: Wendy For a really fun, and relatively inexpensive way to exercise that will definitely make you work out at least once a day, I totally recommend Dance Dance Revolution and a Playstation. I can guarantee that if you start, you won't stop and will find yourself exercising at least an hour a day AND looking forward to it. >For a really fun, and relatively inexpensive way to exercise that will >definitely make you work out at least once a day, I totally recommend >Dance Dance Revolution and a Playstation. I can guarantee that if you >start, you won't stop and will find yourself exercising at least an >hour a day AND looking forward to it. For the rest of your life? Playstation? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >For a really fun, and relatively inexpensive way to exercise that will > >definitely make you work out at least once a day, I totally recommend [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Playstation? Well, they have it for the first playstation, and for playstation 2. DDR isn't going away any time soon, it is far too popular. Probably - they are coming out with expansion packs. All I can say, is check it out at your local gamestore before being incredulous. I am 40 and I only wish they had stuff like this when I was a new mother. Hi Mu, > >For a really fun, and relatively inexpensive way to exercise that will > >definitely make you work out at least once a day, I totally recommend [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Playstation? On this one, you might want to find an arcade with the DDR machines (there's a whole assortment of them, varying in the music selections available - even a Disney Rave Mix) and watch the kids. The arcade machines are replicated with a "dance pad" for Playstation 2 home use, and some companies even make an arcade sized metal dance pad for home use as well. The kids (and an awful lot of them are older kids - mid 20s) put in a tough workout on the game. It's one of the only games I was ever happy to buy for my 14 year old. Her 13 year old friend has dropped two sizes since she started playing. :-) Take care, Carmen >> For the rest of your life? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >was ever happy to buy for my 14 year old. Her 13 year old friend has >dropped two sizes since she started playing. :-) lol I don't doubt the exercise benefit but my question to FakeDoktorSteve was is this an exercise that you can do for life? I have no doubt he knows his toys since his posting history is replete with participation in Nintendo and other Usenet groups. He ought to stay there. He doesn't know jack squat about weight loss and exercise. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >> For the rest of your life? > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I don't doubt the exercise benefit but my question to FakeDoktorSteve > was is this an exercise that you can do for life? Why not? > I have no doubt he knows his toys since his posting history is replete > with participation in Nintendo and other Usenet groups. What the f.ck does that have to do with anything. Where i post or do not post. You are really, a clueless loser. > He ought to stay there. He doesn't know jack squat about weight loss > and exercise. You are a jackass who isn't big enough to post under a consistent moniker. At least I give advice, something you would not know anything about, because you never do. > You are a jackass who isn't big enough to post under a consistent moniker. > At least I give advice, something you would not know anything about, because > you never do. Don't let him get to you Steve, it's what he wants. Myway > > You are a jackass who isn't big enough to post under a consistent moniker. > > At least I give advice, something you would not know anything about, because > > you never do. > > Don't let him get to you Steve, it's what he wants. not only that, but it's terribly tedious and it won't change anything. if you can't ignore, killfile. please. >What the f.ck does that have to do with anything. You're dangerous because you believe you know and you are history for me. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>What the f.ck does that have to do with anything. > > You're dangerous because you believe you know and you are history for > me. And this is the brilliant way Mu_skmelon deals with "dangerous" people. If all the smart people are killfiled, before long he'll be here all alone. Poor guy. Pastorio > >>What the f.ck does that have to do with anything. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pastorio I hope he killfiled me. I may not be a fitness EXPERT, but i dont think that my opinions are as harmful as he lets on either. he knows this as well, and that is why he refuses to debate me. <snipped> Steve, my friend, you have got to stop replying to posts that annoy you. It's bad for your heart and it does nothing to improve the signal-to-noise ratio around here. Really. carla 237/221/165? Hi Mu, >>> For the rest of your life? >>> >>> Playstation? >> >> On this one, you might want to find an arcade with the DDR machines >> (there's a whole assortment of them, varying in the music selections >> available - even a Disney Rave Mix) and watch the kids. The arcade >> machines are replicated with a "dance pad" for Playstation 2 home >> use, and some companies even make an arcade sized metal dance pad >> for home use as well. The kids (and an awful lot of them are older >> kids - mid 20s) put in a tough workout on the game. It's one of the >> only games I was ever happy to buy for my 14 year old. Her 13 year >> old friend has dropped two sizes since she started playing. :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't doubt the exercise benefit but my question to FakeDoktorSteve > was is this an exercise that you can do for life? I kind of wish they'd make a version for adults, with our choice of music. That'd be a fun way to get exercise. <G> Take care, Carmen >>> On this one, you might want to find an arcade with the DDR machines >>> (there's a whole assortment of them, varying in the music [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> lol >> I don't doubt the exercise benefit but my question to >FakeDoktorSteve >> was is this an exercise that you can do for life? >I kind of wish they'd make a version for adults, with our choice of >music. That'd be a fun way to get exercise. <G> Hook it up to the stereo...... How's Sarge's hands/wrists? http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > How's Sarge's hands/wrists? The surgery to remove the tumor is Friday here at Campbell. We lucked out, since the surgeon from Gordon was due to come up here and saw Howard's hand as urgent enough to schedule him here instead of waiting for a slot down there - the doc wasn't happy at all that the docs here and in Iraq let it go so long. There was cursing involved during the consultation - oops. As soon as we get home Friday and I get him as comfortable as possible I'll post how it went. Right now I'm clearing the decks for whatever his temporary limitations may be, and making sure I've got what I need to help ensure he's as well taken care of and unstressed as possible. He doesn't get sick, so the restrictions on movement and activities will probably involve some fractiousness. <G> Take care, Carmen >The surgery to remove the tumor is Friday here at Campbell. We lucked >out, since the surgeon from Gordon was due to come up here and saw >Howard's hand as urgent enough to schedule him here instead of waiting >for a slot down there - the doc wasn't happy at all that the docs here >and in Iraq let it go so long. There was cursing involved during the >consultation - oops. That was BS and if I had known, perhaps I could have helped. >As soon as we get home Friday and I get him as comfortable as possible >I'll post how it went. Right now I'm clearing the decks for whatever >his temporary limitations may be, and making sure I've got what I need >to help ensure he's as well taken care of and unstressed as possible. >He doesn't get sick, so the restrictions on movement and activities >will probably involve some fractiousness. <G> Good luck to both of you. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > >The surgery to remove the tumor is Friday here at Campbell. We lucked > >out, since the surgeon from Gordon was due to come up here and saw [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That was BS and if I had known, perhaps I could have helped. It would have been appreciated, but "Hoo-ah" is the name of the game at Campbell. They went with the assumption that it was just a cyst (although his hand surgeon said they ought to have known by location that it wasn't - another thing he got ticked about), and since he was deployed before his MRI appointment date they had little information to go on. The one person I believe fell down on the job was his PA in Iraq. He looked at it as it grew (from a 1 x 1x 1 cm growth to a 3 x 4x 5 cm growth) and didn't seem to think that a rapidly growing painless mass was urgent. He said "I can't do anything for that here" which was true, but he ought to have pushed for an MRI in Kuwait. One thing about Campbell is Screaming Eagles aren't supposed to be soft. One of Howard's co-workers' wives got raped when he was deployed to Afghanistan, and he wasn't allowed to return home to be there for her. You know how it is - sometimes common sense takes a vacation among the leadership. > Good luck to both of you. Thank you Mu. :-) Take care, Carmen > He said "I can't do anything for that here" >which was true, but he ought to have pushed for an MRI in Kuwait. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >there for her. You know how it is - sometimes common sense takes a >vacation among the leadership. You got that right. There is/was an MRI at one of the prison camps and I know for a fact that troops were shuttled there to use it. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > > He said "I can't do anything for that here" > >which was true, but he ought to have pushed for an MRI in Kuwait. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You got that right. There is/was an MRI at one of the prison camps and > I know for a fact that troops were shuttled there to use it. Sigh. I'm not surprised. The medical people were under pressure here at Campbell to not engage soldiers on mid-tour leave in treatment regimes that would delay their return to theatre. It was probably much worse in the zone itself. I'll be happy if the surgery doesn't leave him with any permanent nerve damage, but there won't be any breath-holding on my part. I'd rather have a hale and hearty husband than a husband who is entitled to a disability check. :-( Take care, Carmen >The medical people were under pressure here >at Campbell to not engage soldiers on mid-tour leave in treatment [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >breath-holding on my part. I'd rather have a hale and hearty husband >than a husband who is entitled to a disability check. :-( Yes ma'am. Ah, I tell you or I wish I could tell you. You hear it from Sarge, I'm sure. If its not the civilian politicos its the military politicos that hodge-podge the whole dam thing up. Literally, I have walked across the hall of DOD and seen two officers working on the same project...in a completely adversarial way. Left hand, right hand. I believe Sarge will do better than you think but I certainly understand how uncomfortable both of you must feel right about now. Btw, what's the deal with Preesi. I am having fun with her and as kooky as she may be, she appears to be good hearted...unlike a few others around here. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > Ah, I tell you or I wish I could tell you. You hear it from Sarge, I'm > sure. If its not the civilian politicos its the military politicos > that hodge-podge the whole dam thing up. Like that boob Petraeus making promises concerning contracts to the village chief/mayor that the mayor's cell (the US Army one) has to tell him aren't legal and then they get told to "find a way"? Yup. Not cute. I see politics in his future. > I believe Sarge will do better than you think but I certainly > understand how uncomfortable both of you must feel right about now. We'll make sure he does well. The surgery we can't control, but the aftercare we can. :-) > Btw, what's the deal with Preesi. I am having fun with her and as > kooky as she may be, she appears to be good hearted...unlike a few > others around here. You're asking the wrong person. She rubs me the wrong way, or hadn't you noticed? :-) Take care, Carmen >Like that boob Petraeus making promises concerning contracts to the >village chief/mayor that the mayor's cell (the US Army one) has to >tell him aren't legal and then they get told to "find a way"? Yup. >Not cute. I see politics in his future. "Groomed" is the word. >> Btw, what's the deal with Preesi. >You're asking the wrong person. She rubs me the wrong way, or hadn't >you noticed? :-) She claims the other women on asdlc are jealous of her good looks and awesome website and webcam...that she is never on. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > >> Btw, what's the deal with Preesi. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > She claims the other women on asdlc are jealous of her good looks and > awesome website and webcam...that she is never on. Um, yeah. *That's* it. <Eyeroll> The link below is to a couple of functioning webcams, among them the "Cathouse Webcam": http://www.lisaviolet.com/camera/webcam.shtml http://www.kittycam.net/ http://www.angelfire.com/trek/germany/cats.html Enjoy. :-) Take care, Carmen >> She claims the other women on asdlc are jealous of her good looks >and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Enjoy. :-) Hmm, well I guess these will have to do for pussy cams. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > >> She claims the other women on asdlc are jealous of her good looks > >and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Hmm, well I guess these will have to do for pussy cams. You're a married man anyway. Talk to Mrs. Mu. <G> Take care, Carmen >Hi Mu, >> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:03:19 -0600, "Carmen" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Take care, >Carmen Hey, just 'cause we are on a diet doesn't mean that we don't like to look a menu every now and then. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sooner or later, all of our names wind up on a Post-It. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >"Cathouse Webcam": >>> >http://www.lisaviolet.com/camera/webcam.shtml [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Hey, just 'cause we are on a diet doesn't mean that we don't like to >look a menu every now and then. There was a post about flirting and FakeDoktorSteve was telling us how adorable and irresistible he is and in between gags, I thought about how different flirting is to women and men. The women, for the most part, saw flirting as an okeydoke exercise of self-worth or some such crap. Most men see flirting as "Let's screw." A word to the flirt is sufficient. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >> >The link below is to a couple of functioning webcams, among them > >the "Cathouse Webcam": [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hey, just 'cause we are on a diet doesn't mean that we don't like to > look a menu every now and then. Looking in the bakery window in passing is one thing. Going in and rolling around in the pastry is quite another. ;-) take care, Carmen >> Hmm, well I guess these will have to do for pussy cams. > >You're a married man anyway. Talk to Mrs. Mu. <G> YIKES! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > >> Hmm, well I guess these will have to do for pussy cams. > > > >You're a married man anyway. Talk to Mrs. Mu. <G> > > YIKES! LOL! Take care, Carmen (AKA "The home sergeant major" according to Sarge) Dancing is an excellent way to get some exercise if you're inside and can't go out. :: For a really fun, and relatively inexpensive way to exercise that :: will definitely make you work out at least once a day, I totally :: recommend Dance Dance Revolution and a Playstation. I can guarantee :: that if you start, you won't stop and will find yourself exercising :: at least an hour a day AND looking forward to it. |
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