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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004low-carb pastas, what's the catch?
I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something besides wheat? Does it have weird stuff in it that would make it unhealthy for other reasons besides carbs? Basically, is this another example of lab food like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from actual food? And, any favorite brands out there?  Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance > (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something > besides wheat? Does it have weird stuff in it that would make it > unhealthy for other reasons besides carbs? Basically, is this another > example of lab food like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from > actual food? And, any favorite brands out there? Soy. Or whole wheat. Or both. Actual food. Which is why I scratch my head at the words 'fake bread' or 'fake pasta'. Bella Vita has had some very good reports lately. I haven't tried it yet. Signaturerevek As much fun as it is seeing rabid libertarian attack weasels scrap with crazed lefty assault ferrets, it's swallowing half the newsgroup again. David Bilek > > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance > > (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > crazed lefty assault ferrets, it's swallowing half the newsgroup again. > David Bilek I tried low carb pasta. YUCK! It was awful. I tried spagetti and sause. I got anouther brand and made mac and cheese. Dog wouldn't eat it and he eats everything. Patty Patty, There are different brands of low carb pasta. The supermarket ones are very overpriced and nasty. Check out Bella Vita before you give up on them. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance > > > (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Patty is BELLA VITA dried? or will i find it in the refrigerator section? Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > Patty, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! oh never mind........................i just read that bella vita is soy based...................... Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > is BELLA VITA dried? or will i find it in the refrigerator section? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > > > "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:lunachick-903CCA.00403205012004@news04.east.earthlink.net > > > > > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to > maintenance [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > World! > > > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- > oh never mind........................i just read that bella vita is > soy based...................... Dried. See my other comment regarding the light and dark batches. It is soy-based, but does not have a noticable nasty soy taste. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." its not about the taste jamie....................the jury is still out on the use of SOY, and so i am trying to control my intake. Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > > oh never mind........................i just read that bella vita is > > soy based...................... > > Dried. > See my other comment regarding the light and dark batches. It is > soy-based, but does not have a noticable nasty soy taste. > its not about the taste jamie....................the jury is still > out on the use of SOY, and so i am trying to control my intake. I agree. I baked with it for the first time today, and am sort-of happy to say I had very negative reinforcement. The cookies were like sawdust! SignatureJean B. > its not about the taste jamie....................the jury is still > out on the use of SOY, and so i am trying to control my intake. If it makes any difference to you, Bella Vita uses GMO-free soy, according to the box. Except for occasional tofu meals and small amounts of soy sauce, and once in a while the CarboLite bake mix for pancakes, I don't use any other soy-based stuff, because most of it tastes pretty bad. I have no thyroid issues myself, and none in my family. To the best of my memory, the article that came out last year or the year before suggesting a possible link between high soy intake and early onset dementia referred to eating soy protein-based meals more than 3 times a week. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." > If it makes any difference to you, Bella Vita uses GMO-free soy, > according to the box. IIRC some women have posted here about hormone problems with soy. I don't think GMO-free soy would be any different for that. >> If it makes any difference to you, Bella Vita uses GMO-free soy, >> according to the box. > > IIRC some women have posted here about hormone problems with soy. I > don't think GMO-free soy would be any different for that. I have heard of some people avoiding soy products because of GMO issues, so I thought it was worth mentioning. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Mainstream medical thinking warns against consuming soy for people who have low thyroids. It's a hormone mimic and it pushes the thyroid in the wrong direction. I didn't see the study about soy and dementia. Any pointers? -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > its not about the taste jamie....................the jury is still > > out on the use of SOY, and so i am trying to control my intake. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > "There's a seeker born every minute." > Mainstream medical thinking warns against consuming soy for people who have > low thyroids. > > It's a hormone mimic and it pushes the thyroid in the wrong direction. > > I didn't see the study about soy and dementia. Any pointers? "http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4Nj_3.320%24C52.91929%40news.aloha.net" Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Jamie, That tofu and dementia study is interesting, but I'd like to see a different approach taken to confirming the results. As with all retrospective diet studies, I have to wonder whether the high intake of tofu caused the problem, or whether the high intake of tofu resulted from or was strongly associated with some other factor. For example, people who eat a lot of tofu tend to be vegetarians. Could it be the long term lack of meat? I noted that these people were also thinner than normal, which I have observed to be a characteristic of many long-term vegetarians of my acquaintence who have a kind of pinched, unhealthy kind of thinness. The idea that the soy estrogen mimic blocks estrogen from getting to brain receptors and causes mental deterioration is interesting too--except that the idea that estrogen prevented dementia seems to have been debunked in the past year too by more rigorous studies. In short, this is the usual sloppy retrospective nutrition study that is all too prone to give erroneous results. <sigh> -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > Mainstream medical thinking warns against consuming soy for people who have > > low thyroids. > > > > It's a hormone mimic and it pushes the thyroid in the wrong direction. > > > > I didn't see the study about soy and dementia. Any pointers? "http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4Nj_3.320%24C52.91929%40news.aloha.net " > -- > jamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) > > "There's a seeker born every minute." > That tofu and dementia study is interesting, but I'd like to see a different > approach taken to confirming the results. > > As with all retrospective diet studies, I have to wonder whether the high > intake of tofu caused the problem, or whether the high intake of tofu > resulted from or was strongly associated with some other factor. As I think I said originally, the study only suggests a correlation (it doesn't prove one). But I believe the article mentioned that the researcher tried to correlate the effect with other dietary factors, and didn't find any others to be relevant. Personally, I don't eat soy-based meals very often, so I'm not worried about the effect of occasional tofu or occasional soy-based LC pasta. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Rosie, Bella Vita is dried and comes in a green box. Has anyone seen it anywhere but Trader Joes? -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > is BELLA VITA dried? or will i find it in the refrigerator section? > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the > World! thanks jenn, but i try to stay away from SOY based foods. Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > Rosie, > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > > > > > "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:lunachick-903CCA.00403205012004@news04.east.earthlink.net > > > > > > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to > > maintenance [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > > > > > -----= =----- > > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the > > World! > > > > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- r+p rosie <readandpostNOT@hotmail.com> quoth: >thanks jenn, but i try to stay away from SOY based foods. How come? Priscilla > > thanks jenn, but i try to stay away from SOY based foods. > > How come? Some folks have mild allergies to legumes. Some folks have thyriod issues. >Bella Vita is dried and comes in a green box. > >Has anyone seen it anywhere but Trader Joes? > >-- Jenny Yes, they have it in my supermarket. I haven't seen it at my Trader Joes. Susan Yep, I bought some elbows at the WalMart supercenter in Las Vegas. > Rosie, > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the > > World! > Rosie, > > Bella Vita is dried and comes in a green box. > > Has anyone seen it anywhere but Trader Joes? I get it rather cheap at our local Meijer store. Two boxes of any kind for $5.00. Marsha/Ohio Jenny <lottadatacarbs@hotmail.com> quoth: >There are different brands of low carb pasta. The supermarket ones are very >overpriced and nasty. Check out Bella Vita before you give up on them. I picked up some Bella Vita (penne, I think?) at Trader Joe's and used half the packet in some dish -- oh, maybe three months ago?. I remember thinking it was OK, but I've somehow not yet been inspired to use up the second half a packet yet. Priscilla >> I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance >> (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > head at the words 'fake bread' or 'fake pasta'. Bella Vita has had some > very good reports lately. I haven't tried it yet. I think Bella Vita is great -- BUT it seems to come with variance in the batches. It appears as though some batches have more soy and other batches have more gluten. The light-colored batches are very good, they taste like real pasta, but a little bit gluey from the gluten. The dark colored batches taste acceptable, not quite as good as the light batches, but have a grainy texture that isn't so good. (Both seem to take 5 to 8 minutes longer than the package states to cook to al dente, IMO.) Neither has a nasty soy-blech taste, IMO, despite being largely soy. I seek out the light-colored batches. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." The catch is that pasta is not and never will be low carb. HTH SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance > (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something besides > wheat? Does it have weird stuff in it that would make it unhealthy for > other reasons besides carbs? Basically, is this another example of lab food > like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from actual food? And, any > favorite brands out there? How come? I mean, if you're aiming to eat 60 grams of carbs a day, and there's a pasta out there that's 10 grams per serving, then how is that not low-carb? I wouldn't eat it while I'm still losing weight, mainly for psychological reasons (eating low-carb versions of high-carb foods gets me back in the habit of enjoying certain flavors and textures that I want to avoid in general while losing weight) but it seems like it might be a nice thing to have years down the road. You know, for the long term, so I don't have to give up pasta for the rest of my life, but I could have a version of it that hopefully won't trigger overeating and gaining the weight back. > The catch is that pasta is not and never will be low carb. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from actual food? And, any > > favorite brands out there? Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna Don't bother responding to JC. He has his own ideas of how to eat low carb, and anything else is wrong. > How come? I mean, if you're aiming to eat 60 grams of carbs a day, and > there's a pasta out there that's 10 grams per serving, then how is that not [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>>like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from actual food? And, any >>>favorite brands out there? SignatureJim Marnott 231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later) Atkins since 22 May '03 Gym since 1 sept '03 > Don't bother responding to JC. He has his own ideas of how to eat low > carb, and anything else is wrong. Sounds like how a lot of Atkins folks work. Next person to tell me "read the book!" (I don't do Atkins) is gonna get bonked in the head with one. > > Don't bother responding to JC. He has his own ideas of how to eat low > > carb, and anything else is wrong. > > Sounds like how a lot of Atkins folks work. Next person to tell me "read > the book!" (I don't do Atkins) is gonna get bonked in the head with one. There are other books. I don't do Atkins, but I did find reading DANDR useful, as I did Protein Power. When I get motivated to place an order with half.com I'll probably pick up the diabetes book Jenny recommends although I don't have diabetes either. My own opinion is that gleaning information from a number of sources is valuable. Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. > Don't bother responding to JC. He has his own ideas of how to eat low > carb, and anything else is wrong. That's ok. I have my own ideas about stuff too, and I think a lot of people are wrong about a lot of things. I just wanted to know why he thinks what he thinks. Someone makes a statement, and I can't deduce their logic for that statement, I'm gonna ask for clarification. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna Mainly for psychological reasons. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > How come? I mean, if you're aiming to eat 60 grams of carbs a day, and > there's a pasta out there that's 10 grams per serving, then how is that not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from actual food? And, any > > > favorite brands out there? That makes sense, thanks. That is one of the reasons why, when I have lost the weight, I plan to make even LC breads and pastas only an occasional treat, and not a staple of my eating like high-carb pasta used to be. I like the idea of, for the long term, having a meat and low-carb veggie based diet, but if one day I really want some pasta I could have some without getting a sugar rush or a headache or triggering cravings. I do _not_ like the idea of saying to myself that there are certain foods I can never eat again, as long as I live. That attitude would most likely make me rebel. > Mainly for psychological reasons. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > have to give up pasta for the rest of my life, but I could have a version > > of it that hopefully won't trigger overeating and gaining the weight back. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna If you ever get to where you're working out consistently, you should really look into doing a CKD type of program. The only caveat for the program is that you must have self-discipline. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > That makes sense, thanks. That is one of the reasons why, when I have lost > the weight, I plan to make even LC breads and pastas only an occasional [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > have to give up pasta for the rest of my life, but I could have a version > > > of it that hopefully won't trigger overeating and gaining the weight back. I have inconsistent self-discipline. I'd say about 90% of the time I have good self-discipline, and then the other 10% I have a "f.ck it all" attitude. > If you ever get to where you're working out consistently, you should really > look into doing a CKD type of program. The only caveat for the program is [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > of it that hopefully won't trigger overeating and gaining the weight > back. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna That 10% is enough to sabotage your program. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > I have inconsistent self-discipline. I'd say about 90% of the time I have > good self-discipline, and then the other 10% I have a "f.ck it all" [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > of it that hopefully won't trigger overeating and gaining the weight > > back. Could be, except that I only need self-discipline at the beginning of something, and then it becomes a habit, and no longer requires self-discipline. I see self-discipline as having to force myself to do something I don't want to do, but once I get in the groove of doing it, I don't have to force myself anymore, it just becomes something that feels natural to do. I don't feel like I need self-discipline to eat low-carb now, it's just the way I eat. > That 10% is enough to sabotage your program. > > > I have inconsistent self-discipline. I'd say about 90% of the time I have > > good self-discipline, and then the other 10% I have a "f.ck it all" > > attitude. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna >Could be, except that I only need self-discipline at the beginning of >something, and then it becomes a habit, and no longer requires [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >natural to do. I don't feel like I need self-discipline to eat low-carb >now, it's just the way I eat. I'm still in the 'needing self discipline to eat low carb' phase but knowing when I do and that I do not feel like crap anymore sure helps a LOT. Now I just have to get working on my exercise which at the moment is NIL. You know yourself better than I do. If you think you have what it takes, try the CKD. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > Could be, except that I only need self-discipline at the beginning of > something, and then it becomes a habit, and no longer requires [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > good self-discipline, and then the other 10% I have a "f.ck it all" > > > attitude. I don't know if I will or not. I want to be in good shape and healthy, but I'm not planning to be an athelete or train for a marathon. The activities I'd like to add in addition to Curves are mostly for fun. > You know yourself better than I do. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > good self-discipline, and then the other 10% I have a "f.ck it all" > > > > attitude. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna I got Keto Elbows once....they were tough and springy like. I kept cookin and cookin and cookin....still never the right firmness. Then I go back and read the box a little closer....do not over cook LOL I just recently got some LC Penne pasta from Wally world, and will try it sometime this week. Gonna be more careful this time. Best of luck, ~*~Pie~*~ > I'm interested in trying some low-carb pasta when I get to maintenance > (which is still a ways off.) How is it made? Do they use something besides > wheat? Does it have weird stuff in it that would make it unhealthy for > other reasons besides carbs? Basically, is this another example of lab food > like low-carb bars and shakes, or is it made from actual food? And, any > favorite brands out there? |
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