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Gollum like low carb look?

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Steven C. \(Doktersteve\) - 06 Jan 2004 08:04 GMT
Hey, i have a question.

in another newsgroup dedicated to fitness, someone said that if i start
lifting and running (two things that i am doing now), i can get rid of that
"gollum look" that low carb gives.

What do you think... I know that my skin is a little less shiny that normal
when i do really low carb for a few days (like, induction levels), and i
assume this is because of depleted glycogen levels...

Figure this is what he meant?
I did not get offended, as he congradulated me on my loss, and helped me
quite a bit, so it was not mean natured.
Opinicus - 06 Jan 2004 08:18 GMT
"Steven C. (Doktersteve)" <real_doktersteve@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
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> in another newsgroup dedicated to fitness, someone said that if i start
> lifting and running (two things that i am doing now), i can get rid of that
> "gollum look" that low carb gives.

The "Gollum look" is caused by the Ring, not by low-carb.

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Roger Zoul - 06 Jan 2004 11:56 GMT
Nonsense....I saw that post....ignore it.  You look like Gollum, you've got
to lose a lot more weight.

Steven C. (Doktersteve) wrote:
:: Hey, i have a question.
::
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
:: I did not get offended, as he congradulated me on my loss, and
:: helped me quite a bit, so it was not mean natured.
Steven C. \(Doktersteve\) - 06 Jan 2004 18:56 GMT
> Nonsense....I saw that post....ignore it.  You look like Gollum, you've got
> to lose a lot more weight.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> :: I did not get offended, as he congradulated me on my loss, and
> :: helped me quite a bit, so it was not mean natured.

That is what i figured Roger.
I thought "he either has some point i dont know about, or he is subtly anti
low carb".

*shrugs*.
Like i said, i did not take it to heart.
Roger Zoul - 07 Jan 2004 04:07 GMT
I meant to say, "To look like Gollum, you've...." :)

:: Nonsense....I saw that post....ignore it.  You look like Gollum,
:: you've got to lose a lot more weight.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
:::: I did not get offended, as he congradulated me on my loss, and
:::: helped me quite a bit, so it was not mean natured.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 06 Jan 2004 15:48 GMT
Steven C. (Doktersteve) <real_doktersteve@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:

> What do you think... I know that my skin is a little less shiny that normal
> when i do really low carb for a few days (like, induction levels), and i
> assume this is because of depleted glycogen levels...

if this is really a major concern for you, try taking some fish and/or
flax oil capsules.  i take one omega-3 fish oil cap and two flax oil
caps daily and i feel that they make a difference in the way my skin
looks and feels.
Frank Lynch - 06 Jan 2004 18:09 GMT
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:48:54 GMT, in a clarity of expression
resembling Cicero, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote:

>Steven C. (Doktersteve) <real_doktersteve@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>caps daily and i feel that they make a difference in the way my skin
>looks and feels.  

Of course, if the fish is alive, precious, that will enhance the
gollum look...

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Steven C. \(Doktersteve\) - 06 Jan 2004 18:55 GMT
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:48:54 GMT, in a clarity of expression
> resembling Cicero, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
> http://www.samueljohnson.com/

^LMAO
That is funny.
Priscilla H Ballou - 06 Jan 2004 22:47 GMT
Frank Lynch <frank.lynch2@deleteverizon.net> quoth:
>On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:48:54 GMT, in a clarity of expression
>resembling Cicero, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
>wrote:

>>Steven C. (Doktersteve) <real_doktersteve@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>caps daily and i feel that they make a difference in the way my skin
>>looks and feels.  

>Of course, if the fish is alive, precious, that will enhance the
>gollum look...

We wants it!  Stupid fat hobbit!

LOL!!

Priscilla
Archon - 07 Jan 2004 01:24 GMT
> We wants it!  Stupid fat hobbit!
>
> LOL!!

You keep your nasty 'taters! ptjew!

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Cubit - 06 Jan 2004 22:53 GMT
"Gollum" is not in the dictionary.

What is the troll saying?
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 07 Jan 2004 02:47 GMT
> "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
>
> What is the troll saying?

you've got to be kidding.

dude, google is your friend.
Sarah Fox Jahn - 07 Jan 2004 03:40 GMT
>"Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
>What is the troll saying?

Actually it is a Hebrew word too, but here is all you'd ever want to
know about the Tolkien Gollum ;-)

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gollum

Sarah Jahn
PieNtheSky32 - 07 Jan 2004 03:44 GMT
It's a dude from Lord of the Rings.
Steve doesnt resemble him lol
~*~Pie~*~

> "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
>
> What is the troll saying?
Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 09 Jan 2004 03:27 GMT
> It's a dude from Lord of the Rings.
> Steve doesnt resemble him lol

Did not know I was a troll.
- 07 Jan 2004 07:16 GMT
| "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
|
| What is the troll saying?

In "Lord of the Rings," The Gollum is a being -- once a hobbit -- who was
supernaturally changed by the power of the Ring into a creature who is
extremely skinny and emaciated-looking with big bulging eyes. Kind of like
Nancy Reagan ...
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Cubit - 07 Jan 2004 22:09 GMT
Thank you.

I get it now.
> | "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
> |
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> extremely skinny and emaciated-looking with big bulging eyes. Kind of like
> Nancy Reagan ...
Priscilla H Ballou - 09 Jan 2004 20:47 GMT
marengo quoth:
>| "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
>|
>| What is the troll saying?

>In "Lord of the Rings," The Gollum is a being -- once a hobbit --

Well, a creature not unlike a hobbit.

>who was
>supernaturally changed by the power of the Ring into a creature who is
>extremely skinny and emaciated-looking with big bulging eyes. Kind of like
>Nancy Reagan ...

Priscilla
Jane Lumley - 11 Jan 2004 17:34 GMT
>marengo quoth:
>>| "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Priscilla

Well, Gollum is obviously an Atkins user.  Give me fisssh now!  And keep
nasssty chips!
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Priscilla Ballou - 11 Jan 2004 19:17 GMT
> >marengo quoth:
> >>| "Gollum" is not in the dictionary.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Well, Gollum is obviously an Atkins user.  Give me fisssh now!  And keep
> nasssty chips!

LOL!  True enough.  Sashimi even.

Priscilla
- 07 Jan 2004 07:11 GMT
Steven C. (Doktersteve) wrote:
| Hey, i have a question.
|
| in another newsgroup dedicated to fitness, someone said that if i start
| lifting and running (two things that i am doing now), i can get rid of
| that "gollum look" that low carb gives.

LMAO!  They have it a bit backwards.  It's the LOW-FAT diet (not low-carb)
that gives the bug-eyed, dry-skinned, starved, gollum look!  The high fat
content in low-carb eating keeps the skin soft and supple and eliminates the
wrinkled, haggard, starvation trademark of low-fat.
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Roger Zoul - 07 Jan 2004 14:08 GMT
:: Steven C. (Doktersteve) wrote:
::: Hey, i have a question.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:: and supple and eliminates the wrinkled, haggard, starvation
:: trademark of low-fat. --

Exactly.  However, LC does drain the water from you, so I think that's what
the guy in the other newsgroup was referring to, even though he is wrong.
Martha Gallagher - 07 Jan 2004 17:56 GMT
> :: Steven C. (Doktersteve) wrote:
> ::: Hey, i have a question.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Exactly.  However, LC does drain the water from you, so I think that's what
> the guy in the other newsgroup was referring to, even though he is wrong.

I dunno. Some of us recently had a discussion on the low carb look. Some
people do seem to get an unhealthy look from following a low carb woe. But
I'd rather be thin and need a bit of rouge than fat and rosy, so there you
have it. <g>

Martha



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- 08 Jan 2004 00:29 GMT
| I dunno. Some of us recently had a discussion on the low carb look. Some
| people do seem to get an unhealthy look from following a low carb woe. But
| I'd rather be thin and need a bit of rouge than fat and rosy, so there you
| have it. <g>
|
| Martha

Hmmm.  Fat is required by the body; we wold die without it.  Ergo, take away
most fat and it is bound to have a negative health impact.  But the body
doesn't require carbohydrates to survive (Inuit indians have lived healthily
for generations on fat and meat).

Quite frankly, I've never seen a low-carb success picture where someone
looked unhealthy (Although I've seen plenty of those who are in dire need of
a makeover to go with the weight loss! <g>).   Can you refer us to some URLS
of these "unhealthy" low-carb "after" pictures?  I'd like to see them.

Thanks,
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Martha Gallagher - 08 Jan 2004 04:27 GMT
> | I dunno. Some of us recently had a discussion on the low carb look. Some
> | people do seem to get an unhealthy look from following a low carb woe. But
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> doesn't require carbohydrates to survive (Inuit indians have lived healthily
> for generations on fat and meat).

I'm not sure why you think this is relevant. I'm not disputing that low
carb is healthy. But, not everyone who is healthy looks good.

> Quite frankly, I've never seen a low-carb success picture where someone
> looked unhealthy (Although I've seen plenty of those who are in dire need of
> a makeover to go with the weight loss! <g>).   Can you refer us to some URLS
> of these "unhealthy" low-carb "after" pictures?  I'd like to see them.

My mother used to point out that I was probably the most insensitive
person on the planet. This is probably true. Nevertheless, the forms have
been ground in to me to the extent that I can't quite see myself "take a
look at X's pictures, she looks really bad. <cough>Violet</cough>

That only leaves myself as an example. I have a picture that illustrates
this fairly well at
http://www.geocities.com/taupewhidbey/dietprogress.html but I'm not having
any luck connecting to the site at present. If you have more luck than I,
you will have no trouble recognizing the picture in which I look like I
was rode hard and put up wet. And yet, my health was fine at the time the
picture was taken, and I had no worries beyond the usual ones. Oh, and I'm
40.

Martha

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- 08 Jan 2004 15:01 GMT
| | I'm not sure why you think this is relevant. I'm not disputing that low
| carb is healthy. But, not everyone who is healthy looks good.

|| That only leaves myself as an example. I have a picture that illustrates
| this fairly well at
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
|
| Martha

It's relevant because the facts as were presented are wrong.  Again,  it is
a low-fat diet, not low-carb, that gives the dry-skinned, emaciated,
bug-eyed look (typical of anorexia).  I saw your pictures, and am not quite
sure which one you are talking about.  There is one earlier picture of you
that is a rather harsh close-up because of the photography.  In your later
low-carb pix you are beautiful!  And that one picture, to be frank, just
makes my point I  my original post.  I really don't say it to be ugly; it's
just the simple truth.  As I stated, many people need to get a makeover,
change their hair and style, to go witih their new slim look.  You don't
look emaciated or bug-eyed; just dated.  Women need to wear their hair
shorter as they age; long hair on older women makes them look hard and
older.  (Same principal applies to men).  Again, in the later pix with your
hair seept up  you're gorgeous.

I know I'll get a lot of flak for saying this, but a lot of heavy women (and
men) have such a bad self-image that they try to "hide" behind unattractive
style (clothes, makeup and hair).  There's a stereotype that is fairly
accurate -- although certainly not all do this -- of the woman who is obese
that wears her hair long and frizzy with no makeup and green stretchpants.
As this woman loses weight, she starts to look a bit rough and older. Again,
you lost this look in your latter pictures; I really don't see any
connection with low carb.

p.s. The same thing happens with men; we need a style update as we lose
weight also.  Being slimmer doesn't automatically make us "hot!"

You're beautiful Martha!
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Frank Lynch - 08 Jan 2004 15:15 GMT
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:01:27 GMT, in a clarity of expression

>| | I'm not sure why you think this is relevant. I'm not disputing that low
>| carb is healthy. But, not everyone who is healthy looks good.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>bug-eyed look (typical of anorexia).  I saw your pictures, and am not quite
>sure which one you are talking about.  

In many browsers, Martha should be able to right click the picture she
means and copy the url of the picture itself, to post in this thread.

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Frank Lynch - 08 Jan 2004 15:58 GMT
>In many browsers, Martha should be able to right click the picture she
>means and copy the url of the picture itself, to post in this thread.

It's easy in IE, but not really straightforward. Right-clicking the
image, go to "properties" (on the bottom), and then copy the image
url. It's a LOT easier in Opera, where "Copy image address" is in the
menu

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Alice Faber - 08 Jan 2004 16:07 GMT
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:01:27 GMT, in a clarity of expression
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> In many browsers, Martha should be able to right click the picture she
> means and copy the url of the picture itself, to post in this thread.

And many news servers would drop the post because of the attached binary
file. Furthermore, if enough people posted binaries in asdl-c (which
isn't a binary newsgroup), they might stop carrying the group. Best to
stick with posting links.

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revek - 08 Jan 2004 17:25 GMT
>> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:01:27 GMT, in a clarity of expression
>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> (which isn't a binary newsgroup), they might stop carrying the group.
> Best to stick with posting links.

An url isn't a binary file.  In OE copy shortcut gets you a copy of the
actual picture, but go to properties and copy the actual url and you
have a link.

Martha are you talking about this one?
http://www.geocities.com/taupewhidbey/pre-haircut.jpg
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Opinicus - 08 Jan 2004 18:47 GMT
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> In many browsers, Martha should be able to right click the picture she
> means and copy the url of the picture itself, to post in this thread.

Except that most newsgroup service providers nowadays sh*tcan messages with
binary attachments (above a certain size) that are posted in non-binary
newsgroups and they do not propagate them to their own users or to their
peers.

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Frank Lynch - 08 Jan 2004 21:41 GMT
>"Frank Lynch" <frank.lynch2@DELETEverizon.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>newsgroups and they do not propagate them to their own users or to their
>peers.

Not talking about pasting the pic, but the URL.

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Doug Freyburger - 08 Jan 2004 21:45 GMT
> That only leaves myself as an example. I have a picture that illustrates
> this fairly well at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> picture was taken, and I had no worries beyond the usual ones. Oh, and I'm
> 40.

I don't get it at all.  As you thinned down you wrinkled a little at first
and even evened out completely.  Your comments don't fit the pictures at
all.  For the spring dress one your comment is that you probably shouldn't
wear it.  Okay, in person without it would be fine but in front of the
camera works just fine.  In your business suit your comment complains about
your posture when it looks like you're ready to kick Trump's butt in a
business deal.
 
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