Hi,
Ok, I have only been low-carbing for 5 weeks now and I have never felt
better in my life. However, I am concerned as to whether it is
healthy in the long run to be on a high fat, low carb diet. I have
heard that it can eventually cause heart attacks and is bad for the
liver. It can also shorten your life span. And that it increases
your cholesterol.
PLEASE can someone put my mind at rest and tell me that it is
perfectly safe or do we not know?
Wendy
Roger Zoul - 07 Jan 2004 00:58 GMT
:: Hi,
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:: PLEASE can someone put my mind at rest and tell me that it is
:: perfectly safe or do we not know?
You might wish to read Life Without Bread: How a Low-Carbohydrate Diet Can
Save Your Life
by Christian B. Allan, Wolfgang Lutz
You might also want to read articles linked from this page:
http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp
Curt - 07 Jan 2004 01:00 GMT
> Hi,
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> Wendy
My Cholestrol dropped 50 points eating the low carb diet. I am quite
strict on cheating though. Also, my triglycerides dropped from 731 to
137 in 90 days. My Hemoglobin A1C results dropped from 10.9% to 5.2% in
that same 90 days.
Do not let the Low Fat Wacko's sway you. It works and It's Safe if you
don't cheat.
Chose a way of eating, But Only One, Fat or Carbs, just not both. Low
fat will reduce your cholestrol too, just increases your waste line :)
Ignoramus32199 - 07 Jan 2004 14:20 GMT
>> Hi,
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> 137 in 90 days. My Hemoglobin A1C results dropped from 10.9% to 5.2% in
> that same 90 days.
come back in 10 years and tell us how you are doing...
90 days is not "long term" and you, as a single data point, bear no
relation to the question that Wendy J asked.
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> Do not let the Low Fat Wacko's sway you. It works and It's Safe if you
> don't cheat.
>
> Chose a way of eating, But Only One, Fat or Carbs, just not both. Low
> fat will reduce your cholestrol too, just increases your waste line :)
Aramanth Dawe - 07 Jan 2004 05:12 GMT
>Hi,
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>Wendy
I've been LCing for 5 1/2 years.
Because of various health concerns, mainly concerned to pre-existing
kidney damage, I have a series of blood tests done every 6 months.
My cholesterol has remained stable. My liver function has remained
stable. My kidney function improved DRAMATICALLY and went from badly
compromised to mid-point normal within 12 months and has remained
there.
I have developed diabetes since starting LC ***BUT*** I was borderline
diabetic when I started and my doctor expected I'd be 'over the line'
within 6 - 12 months. It actually took 3 years, and my HbA1C got into
near-normal levels almost immediately and has stayed there.
My asthma has improved a lot. My joint pain is almost non-existant.
Before starting LC I found any exercise difficult, now I walk about an
hour most days, and hit the pool for aquarobics twice a week and the
gym twice a week.
If this is cause for concern over my health, I'll take it!
Aramanth
LC since May 29th, 1998
Teeb - 07 Jan 2004 14:19 GMT
And quit calling it a freaking HIGH FAT diet. Initially it got pushed like
that but there are PLENTY of low fat ways to low carb and even Dr Atkin's
realized that at some point.
You cannot consider this a *diet* in that it would be something you do to
lose weight and then *go off* it. That will just make you fat again. I has
got to be a LIFESTYLE CHANGE for the REST OF YOUR LIFE or there is no point
to even bothering. It is not a race where you get to *the end* and then you
can quit running.
Teeb
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> Wendy
Martha Gallagher - 07 Jan 2004 18:18 GMT
> And quit calling it a freaking HIGH FAT diet. Initially it got pushed like
> that but there are PLENTY of low fat ways to low carb and even Dr Atkin's
> realized that at some point.
Um. For many of us here, it is a high fat diet. I usually get over 65% of
my total calories from fat. Many others will say the same. It is possible
to keep both the carbs and the fat low, but then you have to make up the
difference in protein and there's some evidence to suggest that there may
be problems from excessive protein.
You may also end up undercutting to lowcarb portion of the diet because of
the conversion of protein.
> You cannot consider this a *diet* in that it would be something you do to
> lose weight and then *go off* it. That will just make you fat again. I has
> got to be a LIFESTYLE CHANGE for the REST OF YOUR LIFE or there is no point
> to even bothering. It is not a race where you get to *the end* and then you
> can quit running.
Where do you see in the OP's post that she doesn't recognize this as a
long term commitment? To me, it seems quite obvious that she is trying to
find out what the long term ramifications are.
As for calling it a diet, it is a diet.
Martha
> Teeb
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Wendy J. - 09 Jan 2004 02:25 GMT
Hi,
1) It is a high fat diet.
2) It is a diet (well that's what the book calls it).
3) I am going to continue eating like this for the rest of my life.
Did I say I planned on stopping when I got to my goal weight? No, I
didn't.
4) Why would I be asking about long term health implications if I was
only going to do it to "the end."
You don't know what you are talking about.
Wendy
> And quit calling it a freaking HIGH FAT diet. Initially it got pushed like
> that but there are PLENTY of low fat ways to low carb and even Dr Atkin's
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> Teeb
Ignoramus32199 - 07 Jan 2004 14:19 GMT
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> Wendy
I have not seen any evidence that a very high fat, low carb diet is
safe in general. That does not imply that it is necessarily unsafe,
just that we need to be cautious.
There is some low quality evidence (epidemiological studies) pointing
out that there may be risk associated with high fat diets. These
studies though point out correlations that do not imply causation. But
there is plenty of such studies finding such correlations for various
populations, etc, so they need to be given some consideration.
I am looking at safety of a diet that is followed for decades, not for
1-3 year long studies.
Personally, after having lost weight, I try to make sure that I eat
good carbs, and even those, in moderation. No junk food, limited
quantity of flour and potatoes, etc. I try to get most of my carbs
from vegetables and a bit of fruits.
Also, there are good fats and not so good fats. Fats cooked at high
temperatures are doubtless harmful for health due to their well
established carcinogenic properties. It is a good idea to obtain a
good quantity of fat from fish and plant sources. (nuts, etc)
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r+p rosie - 07 Jan 2004 15:39 GMT
wendy,
what LC WOE have you chosen?
do you have the book yet?

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> Wendy
Duane Storey - 07 Jan 2004 18:23 GMT
I felt pretty bad while doing a low fat diet, to the point of even
feeling the odd tightness in my chest.. I've been low carbing for a
little over four months now..I just got my cholesterol numbers back,
and they have gone from 6.1 down to 4.9, while my triglycerides have
gone from 1.2 down to 0.5. So, if you believe cholesterol is an
indication of cadiovascular health, then mine has gotten much, much
better by eating low carb (granted I've lost 30 lbs this way, and that
has a big impact on cholesterol as well).
Doug Freyburger - 07 Jan 2004 23:39 GMT
> Ok, I have only been low-carbing for 5 weeks now and I have never felt
> better in my life. However, I am concerned as to whether it is
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> PLEASE can someone put my mind at rest and tell me that it is
> perfectly safe or do we not know?
Sure. Whoever is telling you this nonsense is clueless. Maybe they are
sincerely repeating falsehoods they heard. Maybe they are just trying
to sabotage you.
> high fat
Correct. High fat is good for you. It is the cause of several of the
benefits of the plan.
> low carb.
Correct. It is the cause of the rest of the benefits.
> I have heard that it can eventually cause heart attacks
Absolute nonsense. Dr Atkins was a cardiologist who developed to process
for his heart patients. And he was so healthy on his own plan that he
had to slip on the ice and bash his head to die. While walking to work
because he go too much pleasure from working that he didn't feel like
retiring.
> and is bad for the liver.
Absolute nonsense. The usual lie is it is bad for your kidneys. Whoever
repeated the story too you couldn't even get the right organ. But anyways,
no cases of kidney damage have ever been reported by anyone who started
with healthy kidneys and followed the directions.
> It can also shorten your life span.
Think about it. You wrote: "I have never felt better in my life". How
could that possibly jive with a shortened lifespan.
> And that it increases your cholesterol.
Somebody flunked freshmen biochemistry. The reasons low carbing lower
cholesterol are basic biochem. In fact it lowers cholesterol in about 80%
of people after 6+ months on the process.
Don't forget blood pressure. Curing high blood pressure is one of the
most common results.