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curt - 07 Jan 2004 16:40 GMT
Low carb is off the chain.  It is really just getting bigger and bigger.  I
personally think this is just the beginning.  The only problem I see for
those of use that are low carbers is the price of meat.  Beef is so
expensive already and now we are going to have a bunch of new buyers with
the craze.  I guess I am posting this in hopes someone will tell me more
buyers could mean more cattle farms will crop up and keep prices lower.
Unfortunately, I don't think it works that way.

Hope everyone had a good holiday.  I have not been here for a month or so.
Curt
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Jenny - 07 Jan 2004 16:47 GMT
Curt,

Don't get too excited until you see this low carb media frenzy still
apparent in April.  The flurry of media attention right now and the boom in
products  are part of the January Diet thing that happens every year after
the holidays when everyone makes a new year resolution to lose weight.

Ask anyone at a health club what happens to 80% of those dieters and
exercises by February.

The media schedule diet features and the supermarkets stock up with diet
foods every year around this time.  It's almost like another
holiday--Thanksgiving, Christmas, and January Diet. Unfortunately, when it's
gone you won't be seeing anywhere near so much focus on it.

It is nice that the focus is now on low carb rather than low fat, but
whether it is a fad or not will only be seen if the products stay in demand
after the January blitz.

Didn't someone post here recently that the Subway low carb thing was only
scheduled to run until Feburary?

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> Low carb is off the chain.  It is really just getting bigger and bigger.  I
> personally think this is just the beginning.  The only problem I see for
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> Started low carb May 18, 2003...this time
> Highest weight 250
curt - 07 Jan 2004 18:47 GMT
I agree January is a joke, but when I see stores open up that are "low carb
only" and McDonalds, Subway and a host of others jumping on the bandwagon,
this is way more than January.  This is huge!  It is going to the moon,
IMHO.  I just don't want beef prices to go even higher.  They are bad enough
as it is and I get tired of chicken.  Although I am eating a pork roast at
the moment.

Curt
> Curt,
>
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> > Started low carb May 18, 2003...this time
> > Highest weight 250
Totality of Lunar Mu_n Eclipsed - 07 Jan 2004 20:16 GMT
>Ask anyone at a health club what happens to 80% of those dieters and
>exercises by February.

By march 1, attendance drops over 50% at the aerobic stations and 75%
at the lifting stations.

http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Roger Zoul - 07 Jan 2004 21:25 GMT
:: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:47:33 -0500, "Jenny"
:: <lottadatacarbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:: By march 1, attendance drops over 50% at the aerobic stations and 75%
:: at the lifting stations.

Got any ideas as to why the % is greater at lifting stations?  Too hard?
Totality of Lunar Mu_n Eclipsed - 08 Jan 2004 04:13 GMT
>:: By march 1, attendance drops over 50% at the aerobic stations and 75%
>:: at the lifting stations.
>
>Got any ideas as to why the % is greater at lifting stations?  Too hard?

Got better than ideas, Got data.

http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
curt - 08 Jan 2004 14:21 GMT
> >Ask anyone at a health club what happens to 80% of those dieters and
> >exercises by February.
>
> By march 1, attendance drops over 50% at the aerobic stations and 75%
> at the lifting stations.

This has nothing to do with low carb.
Curt
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Highest weight 250

The Kings - 09 Jan 2004 00:13 GMT
It is kinda a funny thing at the Gym that I go to!!All of us regulars tend
to reschedule our workout times as the place is packed!!We all say to one
another 6 weeks tops" and that is usually what it takes to weed out the
uncommitted!As a sidenote it sems to me that during this time most of the
equipment gets misused and abused,as training sessions are a lot less
thorough!

Just my opinion,

Sally
revek - 07 Jan 2004 17:00 GMT
I guess I am posting this in
> hopes someone will tell me more buyers could mean more cattle farms
> will crop up and keep prices lower. Unfortunately, I don't think it
> works that way.

There's always chicken, pork, fish, turkey, duck, deer, rabbit,
squirrel.... :)

> Hope everyone had a good holiday.  I have not been here for a month
> or so. Curt

Noticed.  You were missed.

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curt - 07 Jan 2004 18:50 GMT
Man, good to see you still here.  It is always nice to come back and hear
from one of the first people that welcomed me here.  Yeah, I had some deer
meat a few weeks ago.  It was excellent.   Squirrel....well, I don't know.
:)

Enjoy,
Curt

>  I guess I am posting this in
> > hopes someone will tell me more buyers could mean more cattle farms
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>
> Noticed.  You were missed.
revek - 07 Jan 2004 20:22 GMT
> Man, good to see you still here.

They'll have to drag me away in chains.  I'm hooked for life. :)

It is always nice to come back and
> hear from one of the first people that welcomed me here.  Yeah, I
had
> some deer meat a few weeks ago.  It was excellent.
> Squirrel....well, I don't know. :)

Very similar to rabbit.  A bit tougher, usually, but I like the flavor
better.

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ConnieG999 - 07 Jan 2004 18:40 GMT
>I guess I am posting this in hopes someone will tell me more
>buyers could mean more cattle farms will crop up and keep prices lower.
>Unfortunately, I don't think it works that way.

Right now with the "mad cow scare" in the US, the bottom should fall out of the
market, if it hasn't already, and beef should become much cheaper. At least
until people feel "safe" again.

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curt - 07 Jan 2004 18:49 GMT
> Right now with the "mad cow scare" in the US, the bottom should fall out of the
> market, if it hasn't already, and beef should become much cheaper. At least
> until people feel "safe" again.
>
> Connie

Well, that would suit me fine.  Get those prices down!  I love a good steak.

Curt
FOB - 07 Jan 2004 20:31 GMT
Except that the news I have seen says that retail and restaurant sales of
beef have NOT dropped off.

In news:20040107134010.22081.00003222@mb-m17.aol.com,
ConnieG999 <connieg999@aol.com> stated
| Right now with the "mad cow scare" in the US, the bottom should fall
| out of the market, if it hasn't already, and beef should become much
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| *****************************************************
| My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
Bob Pastorio - 08 Jan 2004 05:13 GMT
> Except that the news I have seen says that retail and restaurant sales of
> beef have NOT dropped off.

Give it a little time. But even if domestic demand doesn't fall off
too much, exports have virtually stopped. There was a 2-billion pound
shortfall predicted because our exports were so strong after that mad
cow in Canada hit the world's headlines and they couldn't sell their
beef anywhere.

Pastorio

> In news:20040107134010.22081.00003222@mb-m17.aol.com,
> ConnieG999 <connieg999@aol.com> stated
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> | *****************************************************
> | My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
Bob Pastorio - 08 Jan 2004 05:10 GMT
>>I guess I am posting this in hopes someone will tell me more
>>buyers could mean more cattle farms will crop up and keep prices lower.
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> market, if it hasn't already, and beef should become much cheaper. At least
> until people feel "safe" again.

The bottom is about to fall out of the wholesale market. Cattle
raisers are selling off their stocks before the bottom hits.

The combination of mad cow and seriously curtailed exports will mean
significantly lower prices.

Pastorio
curt - 08 Jan 2004 14:27 GMT
Bob this makes no sense to me.  If cattle raisers are selling off before the
bottom hits then I think we need to see deals on beef now.  I am seeing
nothing like that here. I would like to have a steak, but the prices are
outrageous for anything good.  I guess I could buy a chuck roast and slow
cook it, but I would rather have a Porterhouse med. rare.

I hope we don't export much, and we have a glut as you suggest.  I am on a
budget.

Curt
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Started low carb May 18, 2003...this time
Highest weight 250

> >>I guess I am posting this in hopes someone will tell me more
> >>buyers could mean more cattle farms will crop up and keep prices lower.
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>
> Pastorio
Martha Gallagher - 08 Jan 2004 15:51 GMT
> Bob this makes no sense to me.  If cattle raisers are selling off before the
> bottom hits then I think we need to see deals on beef now.  I am seeing
> nothing like that here. I would like to have a steak, but the prices are
> outrageous for anything good.  I guess I could buy a chuck roast and slow
> cook it, but I would rather have a Porterhouse med. rare.

You're not taking into account the time lag between when the producer
sells the live cattle to when it's plastic wrapped in your grocer's
refrigerator.

> I hope we don't export much, and we have a glut as you suggest.  I am on a
> budget.

Yeah, short term thats great. But then longer term people get out of the
volatility of cattle production or keep smaller herds. Then, when people
get their panties out of a twist and start buying beef again, you're back
to high prices.

Does anybody else remember all the hoohaa about alar?

Martha

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Bob Pastorio - 09 Jan 2004 04:26 GMT
> Bob this makes no sense to me.  If cattle raisers are selling off before the
> bottom hits then I think we need to see deals on beef now.  I am seeing
> nothing like that here.

You won't see it at retail for 30 to 45 days. They're feeding cattle
grain before slaughter and then carcasses are broken down to primal
cuts and cryopacked. The packs can have up to a 45 day shelf life. The
distribution chain is a lot longer than one would think.

> I would like to have a steak, but the prices are
> outrageous for anything good.  I guess I could buy a chuck roast and slow
> cook it, but I would rather have a Porterhouse med. rare.
>
> I hope we don't export much, and we have a glut as you suggest.

We won't likely have a glut, but we also won't have that 2-billion
pound shortfall.

Pastorio
 
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