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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004This is crap without exercise!
Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO simple to follow either of these diets: DON'T EAT A PLATE OF PASTA or POTATOES EVERYDAY! A piece of WHOLE WHEAT bread is NOT gonna' kill ya'. EAT WHOLE fruit, don't cut it out of your diet ANY time. Take supplimental FIBER to stay REGULAR. Eat serving sized fish/chicken/pork with vegetables, and MAYBE beef once a week in a portion no bigger than the palm of your hand. Use olive oils. Eat tuna with an apple. Eat cheese with an apple half. Chomp on a few nuts if you're craving sweets. Steamed salmon with compound sage butter and an ice cream scoop of brown rice and lots of spinach or broccoli is NOT gonna' make you fat if you EXERCISE. So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 pounds .... but thanks anyway for YOUR OPINION ... the actual fact of the matter is that NO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO EXERCISE TO LOSE WEIGHT !!! best regards, PlacidBull 203/151/149 - since mar '03 > Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no > rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > PlacidBull > 203/151/149 - since mar '03 Hi Bill, Take into account your lifestyle. Are you semi active? Also, eventually most people hit a part of their diet when they cannot work off ketosis alone. Besides, there are so many benefits to exercise that are not diet related, such as a healthier cardiorespiratory system, and increased confidence, alterness, and resistance to things like ostioperosis when you get older, and your bones stop increasing in mass (happens after age 50 i believe)... But i don't like how the OP went about this message either. Trust me, it sounds like he/she has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to talking to people on a LOW CARB newsgroup. Yes ... I had had a hemipelvectomy and live in a wheelchair so my activities are more limited then most. I used to be able to walk and jog for exercise ... now I use other routines ... Best Regards, PlacidBull 203/151/149 mar '03 "Steven C. (Doktersteve)" <real_doktersteve@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message news:XfZKb.17595$ts4.11817@pd7tw3no... > > I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, > no [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Trust me, it sounds like he/she has no idea what they are talking about when > it comes to talking to people on a LOW CARB newsgroup. Congrats to you and your fantastic weight loss! ~*~Pie~*~ > Yes ... I had had a hemipelvectomy and live in a wheelchair so my activities > are more limited then most. I used to be able to walk and jog for exercise [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > when > > it comes to talking to people on a LOW CARB newsgroup. I too sat on my 244 pound butt for 4 months while losing 44 pounds,at 200 I started to walk. Everyone is different! sally Yep, I didn't excercise either while losing 35 pounds, but I'm more apt to walk now. :-) -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. The Kings wrote in message ... >I too sat on my 244 pound butt for 4 months while losing 44 pounds,at 200 I >started to walk. Everyone is different! > >sally In response to Cheri's post: > The Kings wrote in message ... >> I too sat on my 244 pound butt for 4 months while losing 44 >> pounds,at 200 I started to walk. Everyone is different! >> >> sally > Yep, I didn't excercise either while losing 35 pounds, but I'm more > apt to walk now. :-) When I was 331 and looking for a way to lose weight, exercising was not one of my main choices. I was always weak, tired easily, and my joints would hurt after even a short walk. Trying to walk briskly for a block left me breathing heavy and feeling my heart thump in my chest. I remember thinking that with my legs being used to moving 331 lbs. around if I could only drop some of my weight I would then be able to walk for exercise easier. Then I found LC. After 3 weeks on LC I suddenly realized that I was walking faster. Trudging from the farthest areas of the parking lots to class on campus became easy. I could walk briskly with 40 lbs. of books and laptop without breathing hard or feeling my heart thump. I feel I can now start an exercise program without feeling like I'm going to blow a gasket in my lungs or heart.  SignatureStephen S. 331 / 287.3 / 220 <- as of 7 Jan. 04 LC since 28 Sept. 03 http://dragonfen.com/diet -------------------------------- Sounds like you're doing great Stephen. Good for you and keep up the good work. -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. >When I was 331 and looking for a way to lose weight, exercising was not >one of my main choices. I was always weak, tired easily, and my joints [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >http://dragonfen.com/diet >-------------------------------- >I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no >rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. Yeah, that's REAL fuckin' good for ya'. Atkins is a market scam. Now your bowels are full of red meat sh.t blobs. <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html > >I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no > >rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html> Atkins is not the only ketogenic diet, you hump. Most people here don't live off of atkins products alone. Come back when you have some information that isnt just recycled garbage you have found out on the net. > >I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no > >rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html> Um, isn't that the website put up by an animal rights group? Their motivation isn't to get people to eat healthier, it's to get people to be vegetarians for the sake of the cute piggy wiggies and cowsie wowsies. They don't care about scientific accuracy or logic, they just don't want people to eat meat, not because meat is unhealthy (which it isn't) but because they think animals should be treated as equal to human beings, so they're trying to scare people with bogus claims. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna > cute piggy wiggies and cowsie wowsies. Mmmm.... cowsie wowsies.... Now I'm hungry again :-( > > >> Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > > >> work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Um, isn't that the website put up by an animal rights group? It sure is. They misrepresent what the Atkins plan is, so they are either liars and/or idiots. I vote for both. And that means the OP is either a dupe or a troll. Hmmm, using obcenities. Troll it is. <SNIP> > Yeah, that's REAL fuckin' good for ya'. Atkins is a market scam. > > Now your bowels are full of red meat sh.t blobs. > > <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html> Oh boy! A vegan dipshit in disguise! ><SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh boy! A vegan dipshit in disguise! considering that the OP was recommending fish and chicken, I doubt that he was a vegan. i > ><SNIP> > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > considering that the OP was recommending fish and chicken, I doubt > that he was a vegan. Ok... then he is simply a dipshit. > Yeah, that's REAL fuckin' good for ya'. Atkins is a market scam. > > Now your bowels are full of red meat sh.t blobs. > > <http://www.veganswithanagenda.org/consumer.html> How nice! I remember how much I used to love snowdays..... Carmen obviously I am not conversing with a rational individual !! Good Luck to you there JuicyKitty ! PlacidBull 203/151/149 - Mar '03 > >I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no > >rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html > >I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no > >rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html> Sigh, yet another disgruntled troll.. take viagra fella, will help ya feel better by in the morning. Myway We may have "bowels full of red meat sh.t blobs. But You are one! Dip sh.t! Have you always been an idiot, or are you the victim of head trauma? SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > >I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > <http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html I lost almost all the weight I needed to lose without exercise, too. So did most of the women in a group of people studied because they had lost 20% of body weight and kept it off for 5 years (the link to this is below). Most of these women started to diet only as they came close to their weight goal, as did I. Exercise has many benefits for me. But I haven't lost any more scale weight in the past couple months despite ramping up my exercise to levels which supposedly are burning 250 calories a day while keeping my calories under what supposedly is maintenance for me according to a university nutritionist. What exercise does is improve my endurance, muscle volume and tone, and appearance, and it probably keeps me from regaining what I've lost. But it is wishful thinking, supported by PR from the folks who run gyms and sell exercise equipment that exercise is required for weight loss. http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/success.htm summarizes the book studying the long term successful dieters. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > I sat on my fat a.s for 9 months eating low-carb ... no fruits, no bread, no > rice, no potatoes, no pasta, no apples, tons of red meat ... and I lost 52 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. That sounds exactly like the same thing that many of us here say, a seditady lifestyle doesnt help weight loss. Of course, various people here are on various diets. For example, to an atkins person, your comment about a piece of bread not killing them is extremely out of place. I did the induction phase of atkins with a semi active lifestyle, and i lose thirty pounds. Only recently have i started to go to the gym, so i can stop "doing atkins" and do a more basic ketogenic diet, and still get the FAST results i know i could get on atkins, if i were in ketosis. So what is your point? You are telling people here what we already know. The new people who may be here for just a few weeks because of a faddish resolution wont pay much heed to you, and the rest of us dont understand why you are being rude about it. Beef once a week, no bigger than the size of your hand? Not for me. I hit the gym, and would be in extremely dire straights the next day if i didn't have steak or ground beef for dunner, about 15 oz before cooking. Apple half? No thanks. That is bound to raise my blood sugar and make me irritable and hungry... Brown rice? maybe. Good point. My point though is that you are going off for no reason. Everyone has a different diet plan, and you cant "fix" that with your post. You can list only the good foods you listed, exercise a lot, and become quite fat. Quantity is no less important than what you eat. Olive oil or bacon, both have 9 calories per gram. You are stupid and are good for bone meal only. i > Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO Thank you for your input. We will take it under consideration. You may leave now. SignatureBob Kanyak's Doghouse http://kanyak.com OH !!! and by the way ... my hdl, ldl, and trigliceride readings improved a whopping 67% prior to any exercise being introduced. I no longer have to take trigliceride or high blood pressure medication! Now that I am approaching my ideal weight .... I am now feeling like exercising ... IMHO (in my humble opinion) ... you must first follow the low-carb diet ... and then as you begin approaching your ideal weight ... begin light exercise and ever so gradually increase the reps and resistence ... THEN you will feel on top of the world ! Once again, only my personal experience here! Best Regards, PlacidBull 203/151/149 - since mar '03 > Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. :: OH !!! and by the way ... my hdl, ldl, and trigliceride readings :: improved a whopping 67% prior to any exercise being introduced. I no [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: begin light exercise and ever so gradually increase the reps and :: resistence ... THEN you will feel on top of the world ! It all depends.....if you are for some reason unable to exercise, then your approach works best. However, a lot of large people CAN exercise, and doing so while dieting is much better, ime. However, I agree 100% with your statement that exercise is NOT required to lose fat. However, there are lots of very good reasons to exercise while losing fat. So, I'd say it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED if possible, but not necessary for weight loss success. The OP is a fruitcake that survived the holidays. :: Once again, only my personal experience here! :: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] ::: ::: So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. << Steamed salmon with compound sage butter and an ice cream scoop of brown rice and lots of spinach or broccoli is NOT gonna' make you fat if you EXERCISE. So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. >><BR><BR> I gained ten pounds one summer eating just like that (and more) and all while swimming at a good pace1 1/2 hours 6 days a week. For some of us, it takes BOTH. There are no easy answers. > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. He may be a troll, but he has a common prejudice. I hate exercise. Exercise makes me sick. It always has. In school, PE would ruin me for my studies during the rest of the day. I could no longer concentrate or remember. Many people doing exercise injure themselves. It is not unusual to hear of a young person dieing from running their daily 3 miles. Even on the recent NBC program the runner injured her knee. Exercise may be OK for some people, but the poster is implying that everyone needs to do it, and that is the true "crap." It is a selfish prejudice. Gyms insist on full year memberships because they know that most people will quit after the first few weeks. Pointless energy exertion is tedious to the point of making one wish they were dead. Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what they get. ::: So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. :: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: :: Exercise makes me sick. It always has. Walking is exercise. Does that make you sick? :: In school, PE would ruin me for my studies during the rest of the :: day. I could no longer concentrate or remember. Perhaps you just over exerted yourself. PE is not known for having people exercise in a way that is best for them. As I remember it, it was a one-size fits all kind of affair. You need to find a more recent example where you are free to apply some amount of intelligence to your exercise, if possible. :: Many people doing exercise injure themselves. It is not unusual to :: hear of a young person dieing from running their daily 3 miles. :: Even on the recent NBC program the runner injured her knee. She was middled aged, heavy, out of shape, and running is an high impact exercise. IMO, it was silly for her to pick running as a goal and then not build up more slowly. Still, even if you do everything right, sh.t happens. One doesn't have to get hurt while exercising. :: Exercise may be OK for some people, but the poster is implying that :: everyone needs to do it, and that is the true "crap." It is a :: selfish prejudice. Everyone who can needs to exercise. It is benefical for most. Though you say it is not for you, I'm doubtful. :: Gyms insist on full year memberships because they know that most :: people will quit after the first few weeks. :: :: Pointless energy exertion is tedious to the point of making one wish :: they were dead. Speak for yourself. What you call "pointless exergy exertion" is good for me, makes me look and feel better. Make me stonger and faster. It makes me feel more alive. Hence, it is not pointless. Nor does it need to be tedious. :: Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what :: they get. Exercise should not cause pain. And I enjoy an endorphin high. You sound jeolous. Hello, > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what they > get. Wow. What the heck *happened* to you in gym class to leave that kind of scar? I wish you could enjoy exercise. Take care, Carmen > Hello, > > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Take care, > Carmen Whatever it was, could have been similar to what happened to me. Our PE teacher was also in charge of the "Patrols" the kids who were deputized and allowed to police the hallways between classes and give tickets to anyone running, chewing gum, whatever. He showed obvious favoritism to the Patrols, they were always team captains, and got to pick which sport the rest of us were forced to play on our "free" days. If the Patrols didn't like you (and they didn't like me because I was "weird") they would make you run laps or do pushups, say you were out when you really weren't, skip your turn at bat, whatever they felt like doing to make your PE experience miserable. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna Snip of Cubit's "Ode to Exercise" > > Wow. What the heck *happened* to you in gym class to leave that kind > > of scar? > > I wish you could enjoy exercise. > Whatever it was, could have been similar to what happened to me. Our PE > teacher was also in charge of the "Patrols" the kids who were deputized and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > your turn at bat, whatever they felt like doing to make your PE experience > miserable. That rots. I wonder what those kids are doing today? I always stunk at gym, vastly preferring to escape into a book, so gym was miserable for me. Except for soccer. For some reason when we played soccer my mind switched from meek little bookworm to wrecking ball. I never got picked last for soccer. :-) Take care, Carmen > That rots. I wonder what those kids are doing today? I always stunk > at gym, vastly preferring to escape into a book, so gym was miserable [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Take care, > Carmen Well, some of the kids got to be better people in high school. Most of them, actually. I went to high school in the early 90's, and all of a sudden being non-comformist and wearing thrift store clothes became "cool" so I wasn't as much of an outcast as I'd been in elementary school, when I'd just been made fun of for being poor, lol. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > Well, some of the kids got to be better people in high school. Most of > them, actually. I went to high school in the early 90's, and all of a > sudden being non-comformist and wearing thrift store clothes became "cool" > so I wasn't as much of an outcast as I'd been in elementary school, when > I'd just been made fun of for being poor, lol. That's good, for both them and you. :-) I lucked out and accidentally ended up fitting in with the popular crowd my last year of high school. In that school they *were* the weird artsy and/or bookworm types, so my junior/senior year was cool. :-) Gotta love a college town. Take care, Carmen > > Pointless energy exertion is tedious to the point of making one wish > they> > were dead. > > Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what > they > > get. > Wow. What the heck *happened* to you in gym class to leave that kind > of scar? Whatever it was, I sympathise. I had a really hard time doing school sports for lots of reasons (I think I've posted about this once before) and to this day can't contemplate any kind of exercise where anyone's watching me or testing me, where there is any kind of fitness testing up front (like in many gyms) or where hand/eye coordination is involved or where a team is involved or which is any way competitive. That kind of leaves me with walking, swimming, dancing or skipping - alone - plus things like jogging if and when I get fit enough to contemplate it. Any kind of team sport or competitive sport, or where I'll be seen or judged, no. Absolutely not. Out of there so fast you would wonder how such a fat woman could move at that speed. And sport in schools is supposed to help people take it up for life. I still wonder how many people are put off it for life instead. It scarred me to a degree that I didn't go inside a sports centre for twenty years. I'm still very, very wary of the whole place and many of the people in it. -- Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/237/182) ::: "Cubit" (I think) wrote: :::: Pointless energy exertion is tedious to the point of making one [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] :: still very, very wary of the whole place and many of the people in :: it. Gawd...I got some many scars as a kid from gym class it ain't funny. I'll never forget the one where there was this girl that liked me, but I couldn't climb the damn rope.....so friggin embarrasing. Poor little fat me! Still, nowadays, one can exercise easily without inspection or judgement. PE sucked, but exercising for fitness need not. Nothign wrong with walking, swimming, dancing, or skipping, or jogging if/when, yada, yada, yada. Do what you need to do. To hell with everyone else. Your rope story reminded me of grade school. If you climbed the rope you got a piece of bubble gum (which to a grade schooler is "really cool"). Needless to say, I NEVER got a piece of gum. We also had to do these dreadful calisthenics and I would always hide behind the wall partition because I couldn't do them as well as most of the kids. I guess I was scarred for life also as a result of my elementary gym teacher! > ::: "Cubit" (I think) wrote: > :::: Pointless energy exertion is tedious to the point of making one [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > swimming, dancing, or skipping, or jogging if/when, yada, yada, yada. Do > what you need to do. To hell with everyone else. > Your rope story reminded me of grade school. If you climbed the rope you > got a piece of bubble gum (which to a grade schooler is "really cool"). > Needless to say, I NEVER got a piece of gum. We also had to do these > dreadful calisthenics and I would always hide behind the wall partition > because I couldn't do them as well as most of the kids. I guess I was > scarred for life also as a result of my elementary gym teacher! I had quite similar experiences. We had a PE teacher who was calling us distrophics etc. That did not bother me as he loved us all, but it was embarrassing to do anything that requires hand/eye coordination or rope climbing. Now I prefer to do sports on my own and (especially since weight loss), I am sure that I would put most of my former classmates to shame. I am still friends with one of my classmates, he used to be a pretty athletic guy. I can now do 10 pullups, and he cannot do even one. So, persistence in exercise does pay off. What I am wondering about is, how can a parent help his child become a more athletic, stronger person. I asked this question in misc.fitness.weights, got some answers, and now me and my son often exercise together. I also have a 1" rope, and we play with it, like he hangs on it, pulls on it etc. He thinks it is just harmless fun, but I think it's also make him stronger (2.5 yo). i 223/177/180 Hi Roger, > Gawd...I got some many scars as a kid from gym class it ain't funny. I'll > never forget the one where there was this girl that liked me, but I couldn't > climb the damn rope.....so friggin embarrasing. Poor little fat me! Couldn't do the rope climb? Neither could I Roger, and I weighed 90 pounds. :-) > Still, nowadays, one can exercise easily without inspection or judgement. > PE sucked, but exercising for fitness need not. Nothign wrong with walking, > swimming, dancing, or skipping, or jogging if/when, yada, yada, yada. Do > what you need to do. To hell with everyone else. Exactly. Just make it something you'll *keep* doing. Take care, Carmen Cubit's "Ode to Exercise" excised > > Wow. What the heck *happened* to you in gym class to leave that kind > > of scar? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I didn't go inside a sports centre for twenty years. I'm still very, > very wary of the whole place and many of the people in it. I wonder how many people had a negative school PE experience. I was no good at anything but soccer - a pale super-scrawny little ghost of a girl who always had her nose in a book - and many gym teachers kind of pushed me aside once they realized that. I always got a good grade because I participated, and the "written tests" (ha ha) were pitifully easy. Too quite to be any trouble, so I got by. The only gym teacher who ever actively worked with me was the wife of my science teacher, and that was a wonderful school year - I didn't hate gym. :-) Maybe there should be a club? ;-) Take care, Carmen >I wonder how many people had a negative school PE experience. Most; it was based too often on athleticism. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. :: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:26:23 -0600, "Carmen" <carmensrt@XXhotmail.com> :: wrote: :: ::: I wonder how many people had a negative school PE experience. :: :: Most; it was based too often on athleticism. Having "a" negative school PE experience should be considered a normal. However, having the overall PE experience be negative is definitely a bad thing. It's probably the reason why people learn to hate exercise. How is PE handled nowadays (I have no kids)? Hi Roger, > :: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:26:23 -0600, "Carmen" <carmensrt@XXhotmail.com> > :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How is PE handled nowadays (I have no kids)? In my daughter's high school there's PE (every day for a semester) or in the case of those in JROTC like my daughter they PT as part of their class for the entire school year. I can't say what other schools do, hopefully others will chime in. Take care, Carmen >In my daughter's high school there's PE (every day for a semester) or >in the case of those in JROTC like my daughter they PT as part of >their class for the entire school year. >I can't say what other schools do, hopefully others will chime in. Multiple game situations, more fun games, still too much athleticism imo. At least it's not that crazy Presidential Fitness program crap. Hell, I nearly flunked PE as a Frosh college and I was an athlete. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Hi Mu, > >In my daughter's high school there's PE (every day for a semester) or > >in the case of those in JROTC like my daughter they PT as part of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Multiple game situations, more fun games, still too much athleticism > imo. Yeah, but her first sergeant is good with the kids and pushes academics and good ethical development. He helps the kids see the exercise stuff as important to other areas of functioning. According to her he is her "co-favorite" teacher. Her Latin teacher is the other one. Sick kid. ;-) Take care, Carmen Hi Mu, > >I wonder how many people had a negative school PE experience. > > Most; it was based too often on athleticism. Too few are so gifted, and the attention paid them too disproportionate. Ah well. In the end brains trumps beauty and athletic ability - at least that's what I tell myself. :-) take care, Carmen >> >I wonder how many people had a negative school PE experience. >> >> Most; it was based too often on athleticism. > >Too few are so gifted, and the attention paid them too >disproportionate. I agree and I make money with the gifted, feel badly about those who only spectate. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Well, cubitch, no wonder you got fat. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what they > get. > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Exercise makes me sick. It always has. Ok, really don't mean to pick on you here, but you never went outside and played as a child? Rode a bike? Played hopskotch? Climbed a tree? Played tag? > In school, PE would ruin me for my studies during the rest of the day. I > could no longer concentrate or remember. It's possible that you were pushing yourself too hard (or being pushed too hard by the teacher.) I used to get physically ill every time I would start a jogging routine, and then I learned that your heart rate should not go above a certain number depending on your age, and that you should not be breathing so hard that you can't carry on a conversation. > Many people doing exercise injure themselves. It is not unusual to hear of > a young person dieing from running their daily 3 miles. Even on the recent > NBC program the runner injured her knee. Injury is a risk with any activity, the worst injury I ever got was twisting my ankle falling _up_ some stairs, and the second worse was sciatic pain from sitting on an uncomfortable stool for hours at a time. > Exercise may be OK for some people, but the poster is implying that everyone > needs to do it, and that is the true "crap." It is a selfish prejudice. I do agree that not everyone needs to exercise in order to lose weight, but it is also true that activity has many health benefits. > Gyms insist on full year memberships because they know that most people will > quit after the first few weeks. > > Pointless energy exertion is tedious to the point of making one wish they > were dead. Exercise doesn't have to be pointless, in fact it shouldn't be. It should be fun and enjoyable in and of itself, not just for the health benefits, imo. > Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what they > get. And some people work out without pain and get an endorphin high from getting their heart rate up and having fun. Signature-Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna << > Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what they > get. >><BR><BR> LOL! You don't get endorphin highs from pain, far as I know. I love endorphin highs. > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Some sickos get an endorphin high from the pain. They deserve what they > get. People who like to eat more than they burn yet hate to exercise, deserve to be fat. I don't understand sickos who've been given complete set of arms and legs but are not willing to use them. Laziness and procrastination is one of humanity's biggest enemies. Enough said. :::: So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. ::: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] :: Laziness and procrastination is one of humanity's biggest enemies. :: Enough said. Sickos? Come on....the OP is probably just ignorant about what exercise is and how to do it. Or, Perhaps the OP is from Oz where the rules are different. :) >Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and >work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. "Obviously, a calorie is a calorie?" Nuh uh. > It's SOOO >simple to follow either of these diets: DON'T EAT A PLATE OF PASTA or >POTATOES EVERYDAY! A piece of WHOLE WHEAT bread is NOT gonna' kill >ya'. EAT WHOLE fruit, don't cut it out of your diet ANY time. Wow. The voice of educated reason speaks. <snork> Dawn > Obviously, a calorie is a calorie, and if you don't get out there and > work it off, none of this picky carb sh.t is gonna' work. It's SOOO [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. I like animals. They're delicious. Ken >So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. I lost 45 pounds sitting on my fat a.s. :-) >> So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > From: Taffy Stoker (Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:29:08 -0500) > MsgId: <r3npvvcsel9sq7468mbvlb1ekgauu64j3r@4ax.com> > > I lost 45 pounds sitting on my fat a.s. :-) Is it still fat? >>> So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Is it still fat? Yes but getting smaller every day. Tomorrow I am going to the YMCA to have a tour of the place and see if it is worth joining. I won't lose a gram sitting on my arse even if I only ate 1000 calories/day (I'm 5'2" 129lbs). Highly overweight people can get away with losing pounds by sitting on their arses all day without exercising and eating low-carb but as they approach their ideal weights, they will need to start moving their bodies... don't think anyone can really dispute that.... and liposuction is out of the equation. > >So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. > > I lost 45 pounds sitting on my fat a.s. :-) :: I won't lose a gram sitting on my arse even if I only ate 1000 :: calories/day (I'm 5'2" 129lbs). Highly overweight people can get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: anyone can really dispute that.... and liposuction is out of the :: equation. Well, they can dispute losing a gram.....especially if you don't mind losing it very slowly. However, attaining very low bodyfat levels is very likely something that requires really hard exercise in addtion to dieting. :::: So simple... you can't just sit on your fat a.s. ::: ::: I lost 45 pounds sitting on my fat a.s. :-) Nothing important, but I have a url to share with you, http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf If the shoe fits... Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** > Nothing important, but I have a url to share with you, > http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > remove "_rice_" from my email address > ********** That was cute. Myway >> Nothing important, but I have a url to share with you, >> http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf > >That was cute. Can't take credit for it, I found it in a thread dealing with a 'net k00k in another newsgroup. Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** While we are blasting this ID10T, I lost 60 pounds sitting on my use to be fat a.s... It's much smaller now :), Thanks to Dr Atkins, God Please Have mercy on Dr Atkins. > >> Nothing important, but I have a url to share with you, > >> http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > remove "_rice_" from my email address > ********** In response to Curt's post: > While we are blasting this ID10T, I lost 60 pounds sitting on my use > to be fat a.s... It's much smaller now :), Thanks to Dr Atkins, > > God Please Have mercy on Dr Atkins. I'm having a lot more trouble sitting around on my a.s these days. Less padding. <G> SignatureStephen S. 331 / 286 / 220 <- as of 9 Jan. 04 LC since 28 Sept. 03 http://dragonfen.com/diet -------------------------------- |
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