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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004week two of a clean induction with only 3 pounds lost
is this normal? i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at all, (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really desperate) - anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? i am on some meds that are bad for weight loss. > is this normal? i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at all, > (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really desperate) - > > anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? i am on some meds that are bad > for weight loss. Three pounds in a week or two weeks? If one week, that's pretty darn good for most people I would think. What's your weight? It might be disappointing if you weigh 500 pounds but it would be fantastic if you weigh 200. I think the average is like 5% of your weight, (or more if you are over 200 lbs) and 3 lbs sounds good to me, are U drinking a gallon of water daily and exercising? I'm with you. I'm 12 days into it and I've stuck with my approved induction foods, water, exercise, and I'm only down 2 lbs. It's frustrating but I'm just gonna stick with it. From what I've read, everyone's different and above all just don't give up! Maybe I haven't made as many strides with the scale, but already my acid reflux is almost gone and I just don't feel as "heavy" since I don't eat all those carbs. And to everyone else on this group---THANK YOU!! I've been lurking for a few weeks now and I've gotten some great advice and support here. For instance, the first few days I felt horrible---headache, weak, horrible cravings. I would hear you guys say "it will pass" and I'd think that there was no way. Lo and behold, I feel great now. The family chocolate cake on the table doesn't tempt me at all and I feel better and clearer than I ever have. This WOE rocks!! Kelli > I'm with you. I'm 12 days into it and I've stuck with my approved > induction foods, water, exercise, and I'm only down 2 lbs. It's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > family chocolate cake on the table doesn't tempt me at all and I feel > better and clearer than I ever have. This WOE rocks!! Good going, Kelli! I don't really have an answer for the low loss during induction. I'm wondering if you had started to cut out carbs BEFORE starting, so you ARE actually losing fat and not mostly water (i.e., if your stores of glycogen in your liver were already taxed when you started, you may have bypassed much of that part (but that's a totally wild-a.s guess on my part). Some of us just lose more slowly for a variety of reasons. If you stick with it, though, you WILL lose. Also, in my experience, I usually see changes in my body as much as a week before it's reflected on the scale. One of my surefire indicators is that certain areas (like my belly) seem to be suddenly "squishy" (more than usual :-) I know then that I've lost some fat there and it's sort of caving in. I visualize it as being like sand washing away underground, causing instability on the surface. After a while it firms up somewhat and the process continues. Sometimes the belly stays the way it is, but my thighs/hips get squishier or saggier. Then they firm up some. As unappealing as squishiness may be, I take it as a positive sign and rejoice, knowing that low-carbing is WORKING and that the squishiness WILL pass, at least to a certain extent :-)  SignatureSaffire 205/178/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 > Good going, Kelli! I don't really have an answer for the low loss during > induction. I'm wondering if you had started to cut out carbs BEFORE starting, so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > be, I take it as a positive sign and rejoice, knowing that low-carbing is WORKING > and that the squishiness WILL pass, at least to a certain extent :-) Saffire, Thanks for the insight. You called it correctly. I had been laying off the carbs a lot before I started just so Induction wouldn't be so much of a shock. And yes, you're totally right about the "squishy" feeling around the belly. I most definitely have noticed that. I guess I'm doing much better than I thought. Yay! Quick question though. I have started tracking my daily intake at fitday.com. I know it varies, but my final fat intake for the day was around 140 grams. Is that too much or am I just still in that mindset that "fat is evil?" LOL. Again, thank you. Kelli > Quick question though. I have started tracking my daily intake at > fitday.com. I know it varies, but my final fat intake for the day was > around 140 grams. Is that too much or am I just still in that mindset > that "fat is evil?" LOL. All I need to know that you qualify to still have the "fat is evil" mindset is you're under 6 months into low carbing. The 140 level seems about right to me. Let's see how the numbers work out. I'll use myself as an example; you can plug in your own numbers. I'm 5'6" and according to the formulas in Protein Power my ideal weight based on body fat percentages is 175-180. Taking the usual guideline for calories, that puts my target intake at 1800 per day. Calories aren't an every-day thing, so if I have 2800 calories once and eat 1600 calories 5 times that averages out just fine. Sure enough, my food intake has resembled that for many years. According to the processes is Doctr Atkins New Diet Revolution my CCLL is 50 (I go out of ketosis at 55) and my CCLM is 100 (My water swings shift up to a higher range implying my liver starts storing carbs at 105). I'll use the 50 gram carb level in the numbers. According to the formulas in Protein Power my minimum protein level is 77 per day. More protein is merely extra fuel that can be converted to carbs, but it's hard for me to drive below 100 and it's a round number anyways. According to everything I've read, noone has any better guideline for fat than doing the arithmatic from the above numbers. Even the best fat guidelines are about getting enough polyunsaturated fats, using monounsaturated fats for the bulk of the fat, knowing that saturated fats are only bad for high carbers, and avoiding transfats as completely impossible. So replacing margarine with olive oil and draining bacon grease and using the same amount of nut oil seems the best thing to do but noone gives any really good numbers. Back to arithmatic. 1800 calories minus 50 grams of carb at my CCLL, 200 cal, leaves 1600. 1600 calories minues 100 grams of protein, 400 cal, leaves 1200. 1200 calories remaining are from fat, 1200 / 9 = 133 grams. Since the arithmatic tells me I sohuld be having 133 grams of fat per day, I'm hardly worried that you're eating 140. In fact, if I drove my protein down to 77 rather than 100, the same calories would put me there. Just started too. I am at 3 pounds at 3 days. I count every single carb! Everything. Suaces you might ad, dressings,etc. Stay away from fruit too. > is this normal? i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at all, > (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really desperate) - > > anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? i am on some meds that are bad > for weight loss. > is this normal? i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at all, > (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really desperate) - > > anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? i am on some meds that are bad > for weight loss. Try tracking your carbs on www.fitday.com. If you suspect the bars or shakes are the culprit, try cutting them and check you results in another week. I've had to wean myself from that crutch myself. Norsk > is this normal? i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at > all, (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really > desperate) - > > anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? i am on some meds > that are bad for weight loss. Some people need to count all the carbs in the bars rather than just the net carbs on the label. If I were you I would dump them and see if things improve. If you're on meds that make weight loss difficult then you will probably lose slower than most people. Perhaps you can talk to your doctor and see if there's a different med you can take that doesn't have that effect. If not then resign yourself to slower weight loss but remember, you'll should still reap the health benefits of low carb even if you don't lose quickly. Good luck. SignatureJeri 265/189/120 Atkins since 11/5/01 "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right." I agree that it would be great to see a lot come off quickly, as it happens to some people, but I have heard that in the long run, loosing slowly is really a better way to go. At your rate you will have lost 72 pounds in a year. Now, that's not bad! I think the fact that you feel better will keep you motivated and who knows, maybe next next week you might have lost more. Hang in there! Judy http://www.jlwooddesign.com > I agree that it would be great to see a lot come off quickly, as it > happens to some people, but I have heard that in the long run, loosing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Judy > http://www.jlwooddesign.com I was somewhat bummed out at first because I lost less weight than a lot of other people reported. But I am now kind-of glad and am, in fact, trying to lose the rest of my excess weight (maybe 5-10 lbs) even more slowly. Just remember, it's not a race. It's something you are doing for yourself. SignatureJean B. > is this normal? Success? Sure, success is normal. You lost, so what's the issue? > i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at all, > (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really desperate) - You ate a bar but you haven't cheated "at all". Right. You need to work on your word definitions there. The bars are the number one source of stalls. Indcution daily quota is 20 mostly from veggies and the real carb count of bars is 15 so if you eat a quarter of a bar no eggs or cheese that day. > anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? You are not losing at a snail's pace. I know, reality checks suck rocks.It's okay. Everyone hates it when they are successfull but they didn't find a magic chop-off-your-arm-without-pain magic bullet cure. > i am on some meds that are bad for weight loss. And you lost anyways. Cool. > is this normal? i mean i am trying REALLY hard, and havent cheated at all, > (except i did have a bar or occasional shake when i was really desperate) - > > anyone else losing at a snail's pace besides me? i am on some meds that are bad > for weight loss. Induction losses depend mostly on the amount of water-weight you're carrying. Someone who's a couple of hundred pounds overweight is going to have a lot more water to lose, maybe as much as 15 pounds. Someone with only 20 to 40 pounds to lose is probably only going to lose about 3 to 6 pounds of water. After the water weight loss, it's extremely difficult to lose more than one percent of your total weight in actual fat per week, unless you exercise several hours a day. Weight loss programs which promise losses of several pounds a week are typically so low in calories and/or protein that you lose substantial muscle mass along with fat -- this looks nice when you step on a scale, but lowers your daily caloric burn significantly, and makes weight loss harder to maintain. Your total muscle mass determines how many calories you burn, especially at rest. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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