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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Butter
Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some were fed lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones on butter had a massively higher chance of developing heart problems. OK so I missed the rest of the documentary, and didn't catch it's name, so perhaps the conclusion forgot to mention the fact that these creatures were also being fed high carbs... but it's got me worried, now that I'm a butteraholic. Anyone know anything about this? Ta, Eric >Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some were fed >lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones on butter had a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Eric Massive quantities of just about anything will probably kill you eventually. I avoided butter and used margarine until I learned the facts about trans fats. Now I use butter but still in moderation. I cook mostly in olive oil though. Incidentally, Dr. Atkins had been preaching against trans fats for years before FDA finally decided they were dangerous. The low fat/high carb advocates are hoping this was the only thing he was right about. They're going to be disappointed. BillJ 254/170/168 Atkins since 6/20/01 Usually test like that are crap IMHO. They just feed a rat butter, butter butter and wonder what will happen. Then they get sick....duh? I wouldn't worry about such things. I mean unless you are eating a pound a day. Well a stick a day, may be a little excessive as well. I love butter myself. I may start a thread on butter. Been meaning to. Curt  Signature211/?/185 . . 6'2" Started low carb May 18, 2003...this time Highest weight 250 > Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some were fed > lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones on butter had a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Eric > Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some > were fed lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones > on butter had a massively higher chance of developing heart > problems. You have to look at the amount of butter used. If you ate ten pounds of butter a day, you'd have heart problems too. Butter in moderation is fine. Butter in excess, or anything in excess, is bad. Paranoid avoidance of butter is pointless. > > Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some > > were fed lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Butter in moderation is fine. Butter in excess, or anything in > excess, is bad. Paranoid avoidance of butter is pointless. Sort of like how they gave rats enough Saccharin to equal about 600 diet sodas a day for a human, some got cancer, and they declared it carcinogenic. > Sort of like how they gave rats enough Saccharin to equal about 600 > diet sodas a day for a human, some got cancer, and they declared it > carcinogenic. That's because under US law (at the time at least:-I don't know if this is still true), any substance that can be shown to be carcinogenic in ANY amount cannot be added to food. SignatureBob Kanyak's Doghouse http://kanyak.com > > Sort of like how they gave rats enough Saccharin to equal about 600 > > diet sodas a day for a human, some got cancer, and they declared it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > still true), any substance that can be shown to be carcinogenic in ANY > amount cannot be added to food. including salt? >Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some were fed >lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones on butter had a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Eric No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their butter? Unbelieveable to some of us.... PJ > No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their > butter? Are you _serious_?!?!? >> No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their >> butter? > >Are you _serious_?!?!? My step mother in law doesn't (finds even whipped butter work to spread), and one of my college roommates also didn't Frank Lynch The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at: http://www.samueljohnson.com/ > >> No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their > >> butter? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My step mother in law doesn't (finds even whipped butter work to > spread), and one of my college roommates also didn't i don't refrigerate mine. there's no reason to. > i don't refrigerate mine. there's no reason to. there isn't? >> i don't refrigerate mine. there's no reason to. > >there isn't? No, there isn't. Back before refrigeration, meats were *preserved* in animal fat by laying lard and meats in a jar or crock. A layer of meat was removed to use, leaving the next layer of fat undisturbed to maintain the integrity of the "seal" it forms. The expression, "scraping the bottom of the barrel" may have come from this necessary means of preserving. Butter, another animal fat, does NOT need to be refrigerated, but if it isn't, it may become strong or rancid. Some people actually prefer it that way. Note that "rancid" does NOT mean spoiled or rotten! Connie ***************************************************** My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit. my butter's ingredients: sweet cream and salt........................are you saying that dairy is considered an animal fat? i KNOW i sound dense.............................i KNOW i do! ;) Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > >> i don't refrigerate mine. there's no reason to. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > ***************************************************** > My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit. >are you saying that >dairy is considered an animal fat? No, I'm saying that *butter* is animal fat. LOL!! Butter is almost all fat - it does have a bit of water in it, like 15% maybe. Butter comes from the cream that floats on top of the milk. The cream is skimmed off, and "churned" to remove the water from the cream. The remaining fat is butter, and the remaining liquid is buttermilk. Most of today's milk is homogenized so that the cream doesn't separate. This means that the little fat globules in whole milk are broken up and blended into the milk. Butyric acid is the oily component of butter that decomposes and causes the rancid smell and taste. Rancid butter can be reclaimed if necessary. Obviously not all dairy is butter, so not all dairy can go unrefrigerated. But because butter is almost totally fat, it does not need refrigeration. Same as any other fats - from lard to vegetable oil to bacon grease. Connie ***************************************************** My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit. thanks for the lesson connie................................ i appreciate it! (don't know if i'll let my butter out of the refrigerator though) Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > >are you saying that > >dairy is considered an animal fat? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ***************************************************** > My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit. || are you saying that || dairy is considered an animal fat? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] | | Connie Good post. When I was growing up in the 60's, my mother never refrigerated butter. It always sat on a plate on the kitchen counter, even in the summer. Nobody ever got sick from it. This explains why. SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo I don't. It's in a covered container on the counter one cube at a time. It's used in about 1 week. -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. Eric wrote in message ... >> No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their >> butter? > >Are you _serious_?!?!? >> No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their >> butter? > >Are you _serious_?!?!? My in-laws declined my butter when they ate at my house because it was "hard". They leave theirs out all the time. They were downright rude about it, acting as if my refrigerating it ruined their dinner! Luckily I almost never see them... LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/239/140 & hubby- 310/268/180 >>> No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their >>> butter? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Me- 265/239/140 >& hubby- 310/268/180 My dad used to keep it the the frickin' freezer til I raised holy hell about it one day. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sooner or later, all of our names wind up on a Post-It. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most ppl I know in europe don't refrigerate their butter. It gets used fast, too. > >Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some were fed > >lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones on butter had a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > PJ >Most ppl I know in europe don't refrigerate their butter. It gets used >fast, too. I only refrigerate my butter when it gets so hot and humid here in Southern Ontario that the butter turns to liquid. > No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their > butter? > > Unbelieveable to some of us.... > > PJ I don't and am still living somehow. lol I really don't see a point to refrigerate butter. My parents never did either. I guess I like soft butter, not rock hard butter. I can't believe it is a big deal to some people. I find it strange this is even discussed. Curt > No. But did you know that many, many people do NOT refrigerate their > butter? My family never did when I was a child; I hadn't seen refrigerated butter until I was a student, and even then thought it a bit odd - real butter comes out of the fridge far too hard to use. My brother and I both appear to be alive and well, and my mother is now over 80 and still not refrigerating her butter. OTOH, we kept our butter in a specially designed covered ceramic butter dish - as my mother still does. -- Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/237/182) These ppl have dedicated an entire business around non-refrigerated butter. Not a big deal!! http://fantes.com/butter.htm -- AmyB LC since 12/01/03 238/227/165 > >Saw the tail end of a documentary about research done on rats. Some were fed > >lots of butter, some were on other types of fats. The ones on butter had a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > PJ |
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