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COFFEE - Will it dehydrate you?

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PJx - 08 Jan 2004 14:14 GMT
Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
not.   I'm confused.
DJ Delorie - 08 Jan 2004 14:26 GMT
>  Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
> not.   I'm confused.

Caffeine is a dehydrant.
PJx - 08 Jan 2004 14:38 GMT
>>  Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
>> not.   I'm confused.
>
>Caffeine is a dehydrant.

Yes, but do you argue that the water in coffee has no hydration
content?
DJ Delorie - 08 Jan 2004 14:46 GMT
>  Yes, but do you argue that the water in coffee has no hydration
> content?

The usual argument is that the caffeine in coffee offsets the water in
coffee, so you can drink it but it doesn't count towards your daily
water intake.  Decaf, however, would.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 08 Jan 2004 15:25 GMT
> >  Yes, but do you argue that the water in coffee has no hydration
> > content?
>
> The usual argument is that the caffeine in coffee offsets the water in
> coffee, so you can drink it but it doesn't count towards your daily
> water intake.  Decaf, however, would.

i drink half-caf/half-decaf.  how am i supposed to count mine?
David S. - 08 Jan 2004 15:59 GMT
: i drink half-caf/half-decaf.  how am i supposed to count mine?

I'd give you credit for half a water, but that's just because I like you.

David
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 09 Jan 2004 14:34 GMT
> : i drink half-caf/half-decaf.  how am i supposed to count mine?
>
> I'd give you credit for half a water, but that's just because I like you.

thank you.  you're very kind.
Roger Zoul - 08 Jan 2004 16:28 GMT
:: PJx <me@privacy.net> writes:
:::  Yes, but do you argue that the water in coffee has no hydration
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:: in coffee, so you can drink it but it doesn't count towards your
:: daily water intake.  Decaf, however, would.

Has this argument been really studied?  Sure, caffeine is a dehydrate, but
is the amount of it in coffee enough to balance with the water in coffee?
Also, how much caffeine does one need to ingest before a significant amount
of dehydration sets in?

Is there any good literature on the topic?
DJ Delorie - 08 Jan 2004 16:48 GMT
> Has this argument been really studied?

Not that I'm aware of.

> Sure, caffeine is a dehydrate, but is the amount of it in coffee
> enough to balance with the water in coffee?

This is probably a "it depends on the person".  What I've seen (in MFW
or on the web, can't recall) is that you should have five clear
unrinations a day to be "hydrated".  You can figure out the rest from
there.
Roger Zoul - 08 Jan 2004 17:44 GMT
:: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> writes:
::: Has this argument been really studied?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:: unrinations a day to be "hydrated".  You can figure out the rest from
:: there.

That's the rule I pay attention to :)
Alan M - 08 Jan 2004 19:56 GMT
And when you get to my age, during the late night hours, it seems like five
per hour even without coffee after dinner. But, as my wife advises: If it
were not for running to the bathroom neither of us would get any exercise at
all.

> > Sure, caffeine is a dehydrate, but is the amount of it in coffee
> > enough to balance with the water in coffee?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> unrinations a day to be "hydrated".  You can figure out the rest from
> there.
Preesi - 09 Jan 2004 00:40 GMT
> This is probably a "it depends on the person".  What I've seen (in MFW
> or on the web, can't recall) is that you should have five clear
> unrinations a day to be "hydrated".  You can figure out the rest from
> there.

What about the bright yellow one after ya take vitamins?

preesi
revek - 09 Jan 2004 06:20 GMT
>> This is probably a "it depends on the person".  What I've seen (in
>> MFW or on the web, can't recall) is that you should have five clear
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>
> preesi

Heh.  Yah.  That one is from vitamin b, i think.
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AmyB - 08 Jan 2004 22:28 GMT
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> :: PJx <me@privacy.net> writes:
> :::  Yes, but do you argue that the water in coffee has no hydration
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>
> Is there any good literature on the topic?
Dawn Taylor - 08 Jan 2004 16:42 GMT
>>  Yes, but do you argue that the water in coffee has no hydration
>> content?
>
>The usual argument is that the caffeine in coffee offsets the water in
>coffee, so you can drink it but it doesn't count towards your daily
>water intake.  Decaf, however, would.

There have been studies recently, though, that conclude that people
who drink caffeinated beverages regularly -- like, the same amount
every single day -- don't experience that effect.

Dawn
Hueyduck - 08 Jan 2004 17:43 GMT
>  Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
> not.   I'm confused.

Here's my own experience:
after having drank a lot of regular coffee during several days, I
noticed that my skin was getting dryer and dryer.
I tried to switch to deca: appart from the fact that I wasn't getting
any stimulating side effect, my skin remained the same.
Then I started to sswitch to plain water instead of coffee for a few
days: my skin got better in 2 days.
So I think that the diuretic part of coffee may not be caffeine.

H u eyduck
Luna - 08 Jan 2004 17:53 GMT
>  Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
> not.   I'm confused.

I feel dehydrated if I drink coffee (or beer) without a glass of water too.  
I have a very weird thing about me, if I get dehydrated, or just regular
thirsty, I feel gaggy at the back of my throat, and it makes me burp.  I
think I'm burping to sort of dislodge the gaggy feeling. If I drink coffee
without a glass of water, I burp quite a lot.  I know, gross, but what the
hey.

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revek - 09 Jan 2004 06:18 GMT
>>  Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
>> not.   I'm confused.
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> it makes me burp.  I think I'm burping to sort of dislodge the gaggy
> feeling.

Which might be because the tissues there are a bit dryer than usual,
which suggests you have extremely sensitive throat tissue-- lots of
nerve bundles.

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Martha Gallagher - 08 Jan 2004 18:46 GMT
>  Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
> not.   I'm confused.

Depends. If you never drink coffee and then one day you drink a couple of
pots, then yes you might end up slightly dehydrated, although not pillar
of salt time.

If your body is acclimated to caffeine it's not dehydrating.

But, don't take my word on it, here's a link to the study:

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/19/5/591.pdf

Empirically, I used to drink diet coke almost exclusively. I was not
appreciably dehydrated.

Martha

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DJ Delorie - 08 Jan 2004 18:56 GMT
> Depends. If you never drink coffee and then one day you drink a couple of
> pots, then yes you might end up slightly dehydrated,

... but you'll be too busy to notice ;-)
Roger Zoul - 08 Jan 2004 20:44 GMT
:: Depends. If you never drink coffee and then one day you drink a
:: couple of pots, then yes you might end up slightly dehydrated,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
::
:: http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/19/5/591.pdf

thanks for the link, Marsha!
Marsha - 09 Jan 2004 00:08 GMT
> :: Depends. If you never drink coffee and then one day you drink a
> :: couple of pots, then yes you might end up slightly dehydrated,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> thanks for the link, Marsha!

Er, Martha.  But we're interchangable, dontcha know!

Marsha/Ohio
Roger Zoul - 09 Jan 2004 04:33 GMT
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::
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::
:: Marsha/Ohio

Opps....Sorry you guys....I actually knew of the two of you, but my fingers
have a mind of their own, and they like to make me like really stupid :)
john - 08 Jan 2004 21:58 GMT
> Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
>not.   I'm confused.

The following is an excerpt from an article about water in the Los
Angeles Times on November 20, 2000.

The way it's almost always stated, in books, magazines and newspapers,
the 8-by-8 rule specifically discounts caffeinated beverages, such as
coffee. This is flat wrong. Caffeine does cause a loss of water, but
only a fraction of what you're adding by drinking the beverage. In
people who don't regularly consume caffeine, for example, researchers
say that a cup of java actually adds about two-thirds the amount of
hydrating fluid that's in a cup of water.
That is to say, one cup of coffee equals about two-thirds a cup of
water--if you're not a regular caffeine drinker.
Regular coffee and tea drinkers become accustomed to caffeine and lose
little, if any, fluid. In a study published in the October issue of
the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, researchers at the
Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha measured how different
combinations of water, coffee and caffeinated sodas affected the
hydration status of 18 healthy adults who drink caffeinated beverages
routinely.
"We found no significant differences at all," says nutritionist Ann
Grandjean, the study's lead author. "The purpose of the study was to
find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking
normal amounts of it. It is not."
The same goes for tea, juice, milk and caffeinated sodas: One glass
provides about the same amount of hydrating fluid as a glass of water.
The only common drinks that produce a net loss of fluids are those
containing alcohol--and usually it takes more than one of those to
cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say.
Roger Zoul - 08 Jan 2004 22:49 GMT
Wow.....I think we have finally come to an answer on this issue.

::: Evidently, there are lots of people claiming it will, but some say
::: not.   I'm confused.
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:: those containing alcohol--and usually it takes more than one of
:: those to cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say.
Mekrath - 09 Jan 2004 20:20 GMT
There are days where I drink nothing but coffee.  Sometimes a couple
days in a row.  I would likely be dead of dehydration if caffeinated
coffee didn't hydrate you.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 09 Jan 2004 21:57 GMT
> There are days where I drink nothing but coffee.  Sometimes a couple
> days in a row.  I would likely be dead of dehydration if caffeinated
> coffee didn't hydrate you.

it would take more than two days for you to "die of dehydration" and as
long as you're drinking *some* kind of liquid, you're getting some
hydration however minimal it may be.
Chris Phillipo - 09 Jan 2004 23:19 GMT
> There are days where I drink nothing but coffee.  Sometimes a couple
> days in a row.  I would likely be dead of dehydration if caffeinated
> coffee didn't hydrate you.

It may hydrate you but I find drinking anything with caffeine is on it's
way back out in about 20 minutes.
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Harold Groot - 10 Jan 2004 03:50 GMT
>> There are days where I drink nothing but coffee.  Sometimes a couple
>> days in a row.  I would likely be dead of dehydration if caffeinated
>> coffee didn't hydrate you.

>It may hydrate you but I find drinking anything with caffeine is on it's
>way back out in about 20 minutes.

The earlier thinking was that caffeine was a diuretic, that it made
the body eliminate more liquid than it otherwise would.  This was
apparently based primarily on stories like yours - that shortly after
consuming caffeine people felt the urge to pee.  When they did some
recent studies on water balances in bodies, however, they decided that
it wasn't a diuretic - it was a bladder stimulant.  It helps send a
signal to the bladder to empty what's already there, but it doesn't
really increase the total amount your body gets rid of.  

I can't cite a reference for these studies offhand, but I recall
reading about them in 2003.  The bottom line was that for most
practical purposes you could count the entire volume of liquid for
hydrating the body.  You could discount it slightly if you liked, i.e.
count a 12-oz. can of diet cola as 8 oz. of water - but it was nowhere
NEAR the "don't count any liquids with caffeine in them" that several
books and diet plans had been using.
Chris Phillipo - 10 Jan 2004 06:13 GMT
> recent studies on water balances in bodies, however, they decided that
> it wasn't a diuretic - it was a bladder stimulant.  It helps send a
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> NEAR the "don't count any liquids with caffeine in them" that several
> books and diet plans had been using.

I chain drink coffee during the day until my hands shake too much to
type so aside fromt he 8 visits to the bathroom I'm not too worried
about the dehydration :)
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