Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004
Obesity shortens life span - Does starvation diet lengthen life span
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PJx - 09 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT I'm sure it does from the research I've heard lately. While many may argue otherwise, what I really want to know is how many calories I should eat to simulate the starvation diet that has been used on monkeys and rats that were given 30% less calories than a normal diet provides.
So I'll ask her as many seem to know these things. At 5'7" and 160 pounds, just how many calories is normal for a 60 yr old, relatively inactive man. If I get the will-power together, I'll take 70% of that amount and start my journey to better health and longevity.
PJ
Pat - 09 Jan 2004 17:38 GMT > I'm sure it does from the research I've heard lately. While many may > argue otherwise, what I really want to know is how many calories I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > PJ Um, there is a quality of life issue here as well. You may live a bit longer, but you won't enjoy it. Starvation is not "better health."
Pat in TX
PJx - 09 Jan 2004 17:47 GMT > snip >> So I'll ask here as many seem to know these things. At 5'7" and 160 >> pounds, just how many calories is normal for a 60 yr old, relatively >> inactive man. If I get the will-power together, I'll take 70% of that >> amount and start my journey to better health and longevity. >> PJ
>Um, there is a quality of life issue here as well. You may live a bit >longer, but you won't enjoy it. Starvation is not "better health." >Pat in TX I've heard that there are those who "Live to eat" and others who "Eat to live". I want to be in the second group.... <g> PJ
Ignoramus30622 - 09 Jan 2004 18:04 GMT >> snip >>> So I'll ask here as many seem to know these things. At 5'7" and 160 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I've heard that there are those who "Live to eat" and others who "Eat > to live". I want to be in the second group.... <g> Visit sci.life-extension, there are a few people who practice CR who are hanging out there. See my another post also, for book suggestions.
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Bobo Bonobo? - 10 Jan 2004 01:22 GMT > > snip > >> So I'll ask here as many seem to know these things. At 5'7" and 160 > >> pounds, just how many calories is normal for a 60 yr old, relatively > >> inactive man. If I get the will-power together, I'll take 70% of that > >> amount and start my journey to better health and longevity. To heck with counting calories. Around this neck o' the woods what we count is carbs.
> >> PJ > > >Um, there is a quality of life issue here as well. You may live a bit > >longer, but you won't enjoy it. Starvation is not "better health." Some of my family members go whole days on little other than water. They don't have eating disorders, they just like to binge and fast. All of them who do that look great. My one niece claims that after a big eating day she's just not hungry the next day. Until recently she was a dancer and she's very athletic.
> >Pat in TX > > I've heard that there are those who "Live to eat" and others who "Eat > to live". I want to be in the second group.... <g> I want to keep a foot in both groups. The high fat, high fiber, adequate protein, low carb approach allows me to do so. I am a hedonist who has managed to produce the below numbers while still maintaining my passionate love affair with food. Now, I think I'll go make one of my Jethroesque salads, a bowl about 14' in diameter and almost that tall full of lettuce that has had a few teaspoons of fresh squeezed lemon juice and a few shakes of grated parmesan tossed in.
> PJ --Bryan 198/148/152/155
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 10 Jan 2004 01:33 GMT > To heck with counting calories. Around this neck o' the woods what we > count is carbs. speak for yourself, pal.
JC Der Koenig - 10 Jan 2004 02:05 GMT Try doing some exercise, you weak little f.ck.
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> > > > > snip [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > --Bryan 198/148/152/155 Ignoramus30622 - 10 Jan 2004 02:29 GMT > Some of my family members go whole days on little other than water. > They don't have eating disorders, they just like to binge and fast. > All of them who do that look great. My one niece claims that after a > big eating day she's just not hungry the next day. Until recently she > was a dancer and she's very athletic. I recently fasted for one whole day. Meaning I would eat around 5pm, not eat anything in the evening and the whole next day, and would have a breakfast and eat regularly the following day. Just did that this last Thursday. It was not that difficult. I also exercised on Friday morning (before eating), and my exercise performance was not diminished.
While I don't think one could build a real weight loss/maintenance program around fasting, it may have its place if done carefully.
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JC Der Koenig - 10 Jan 2004 02:42 GMT Check out "The Warriot Diet".
During weekdays I only eat between about 5 pm and 9 pm.
That means I fast for 20 hours per day, for those of you who have trouble with the math.
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> > Some of my family members go whole days on little other than water. > > They don't have eating disorders, they just like to binge and fast. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > i Ignoramus30622 - 10 Jan 2004 04:54 GMT > Check out "The Warriot Diet". > > During weekdays I only eat between about 5 pm and 9 pm. > > That means I fast for 20 hours per day, for those of you who have trouble > with the math. I am impressed. I fast for 14 hours a day.
There was an experiment on mice by M.P. Mattson. Instead of being put on calorie restriction, they were fed on alternating days. Improvements of their health were just as great as if they were put on straight CR.
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JC Der Koenig - 10 Jan 2004 13:15 GMT > > Check out "The Warriot Diet". > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > days. Improvements of their health were just as great as if they were > put on straight CR. I know some people who diet like this, and it seems to work out very well for them.
The reason I fast during the day is that it's easier when I'm working to stay busy and not notice any hunger. I work through lunch and don't really take any breaks all day. As you can imagine, the boss seems to appreciate this work ethic.
Ignoramus14056 - 10 Jan 2004 13:27 GMT >> In article <eEJLb.253$0d.135457888@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, JC Der > Koenig wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > take any breaks all day. As you can imagine, the boss seems to appreciate > this work ethic. I also find that having a job, being busy and away from the fridge helps with dieting in general. I take food to work from home and I take however much I think is necessary. Helps a lot.
I think, in the final analysis, that I have been relatively successful with the diet I have been practicing since I started losing weight. So I will stick to it, with an additional fast on every Thursday.
I did read some warrior diet stuff that I found on google.
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Ignoramus30622 - 09 Jan 2004 18:00 GMT >> I'm sure it does from the research I've heard lately. While many may >> argue otherwise, what I really want to know is how many calories I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Um, there is a quality of life issue here as well. You may live a bit > longer, but you won't enjoy it. Starvation is not "better health." Pat, please do not make such sweeping statements unless you have some substantial evidence for it. Search medline for "calorie restriction mattson" and "calorie restriction" and see how many articles discuss it.
The research on CR has been actively going on for 70 years.
Calorie restriction, defined as feeding animals a diet that has all requisite nutrients (vitamins, minerals, amino acids) but is 30-50% deficient in calories (depending on the species), produces dramatic improvements in health and life expectancy of a large number of species: yeast, rotifers, spiders, worms, fish, mice, and rats, and emerging data suggests that it may apply to primates as well.
Improvements in health include increased insulin sensitivity, less oxidative damage to tissues, much reduced incidence of neoplasms (cancers and other tumors), reduction in incidence of degenerative brain disorders such as Alzheimer equivalents, etc.
Quite a few people, myself NOT included, have taken it upon them to try CR on themselves. CR animals (and people) are always hungry and somewhat underweight. They are, however, healthier and age more slowly than they would without CR, or at least that's what the initial reports suggest.
I consider CR to be an extremely likely way to increase lifespan and health. I am not yet practicing it because, first, I want to see a little more proof, and second, because I am not sure if I have the willpower to do it.
It is very clear, however, that CR is a real concept and not something to be dismissed as quackery.
It is also very clear that overeating is a major impediment to health and is to be avoided.
Newsgroup sci.life-extension is dedicated to the discussion of various life extension methods and it may be worth adding it to this thread.
To the OP: read Dr Roy Walford's _The 120 year diet_ and _beyond 120 year diet_. Walford is one of the researchers in this area.
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Pat - 09 Jan 2004 22:29 GMT > > Um, there is a quality of life issue here as well. You may live a bit > > longer, but you won't enjoy it. Starvation is not "better health."
> Pat, please do not make such sweeping statements unless you have some > substantial evidence for it. Search medline for "calorie restriction > mattson" and "calorie restriction" and see how many articles discuss > it.
> i There is a difference between calorie restriction and starvation. I stand by my words. The original poster wanted to "imitate a starvation diet." Yuck.
Pat in TX
Ignoramus30622 - 09 Jan 2004 23:59 GMT >> > Um, there is a quality of life issue here as well. You may live a bit >> > longer, but you won't enjoy it. Starvation is not "better health." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Pat in TX I think that the OP simply did not word the question very well.
I agree that starvation -- meaning almost complete food deprivation -- causes death by definition. But calorie restriction does not.
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Roger Zoul - 10 Jan 2004 00:36 GMT :: In article <btna08$9b577$1@ID-194653.news.uni-berlin.de>, Pat wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] :: :: I agree that starvation -- meaning almost complete food deprivation Hmmm....I've lost 120 lbs by calorie restriction....I'm also better than ever, too! :)
ConnieG999 - 09 Jan 2004 18:57 GMT >Does starvation diet lengthen life span Some people seem to think so. http://www.calorierestriction.org/
Connie ***************************************************** My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
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