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I just should not eat nuts

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Luna - 09 Jan 2004 04:13 GMT
You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning, I
bet I would lose a lot more if I could stay away from nuts, especially
pistachios and almonds. At first I thought it would be great to have
something relatively low-carb that was crunchy and salty to snack on, but
it just takes too much willpower to stop at one serving.  I am now eating
nuts like I used to eat potato chips, pre-lc, just mindlessly munching on
them while watching tv or reading and before I know it I've pigged out. I
don't do this with any other food, even when I'm mindlessly eating other
things, not paying attention to how much I'm eating, I still don't end up
overeating anything else, just nuts.  I'm gonna get my dad to hide the
remaining pistachios somewhere, and I'm not gonna eat any more nuts until
I'm at goal, and even then I will only buy small bags and not the giant
ones at Sam's Club.

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carla - 09 Jan 2004 12:37 GMT
> You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning, I
> bet I would lose a lot more if I could stay away from nuts, especially
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> I'm at goal, and even then I will only buy small bags and not the giant
> ones at Sam's Club.

Nuts are tough.  I've read plenty of stories here about people having to cut
them out entirely because they cannot stop at a serving (or two).  I hope
that I don't end up having to do that because they are a staple snack of my
workday.  Here is how I handle them:  I measure a single portion into a
baggie each morning and carry it to work.  My hand never goes into the bag
of nuts at any other time.  It's kept in a cabinet so I don't see it out on
the counter when I am home.   I have to play such games with myself because
I know from years of "dieting" experience my single biggest weakness is
portion control.

You might try something similar - go ahead and buy a large, economical
package of pistachios, and then count out 30-32 to a baggie.  Put the
baggies away.  Then you can sit in front of the TV with a baggie instead of
the whole sack.  The nuts are still in the house and you still have to
discipline yourself not to get up and steal another baggieful from the
cabinet, but I think the psychological barrier is larger before starting a
whole second portion than it is for "just a couple more nuts."

Another psychological game that works with pistachios:  Do not allow
yourself to pick up and snap the shell of the next pistachio before you have
completely chewed and swallowed the one in your mouth.  This game can make
you more conscious of the nut-eating experience - you'll enjoy them more and
be less likely to fall into mindless-eat mode.

These are the tricks I have used (on low-carb and on earlier rounds of
weight loss diets) to control nut-consumption.  I hope you find them
helpful.

carla
237/220/165?
PJx - 09 Jan 2004 13:31 GMT
Very good, Carla.  

These mind games are the key to success!

I love to start my day off with 1/2 a beer and a small fistfull of
nuts.  It is so good that I could eat them all with each swig of beer,
but I limit myself to one small bite of nut at a time.  It works for
me.

PJ

>> You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning,
>I
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>carla
>237/220/165?
Luna - 09 Jan 2004 18:10 GMT
> > You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning,
> I
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> cabinet, but I think the psychological barrier is larger before starting a
> whole second portion than it is for "just a couple more nuts."

It's not large enough a barrier, I've tried that.  I DO end up going back
in the cabinet for "just one more baggie."

> Another psychological game that works with pistachios:  Do not allow
> yourself to pick up and snap the shell of the next pistachio before you have
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> carla
> 237/220/165?

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Roger Zoul - 09 Jan 2004 18:41 GMT
:: In article <btm7af$8o3qb$1@ID-219996.news.uni-berlin.de>,
::  "carla" <cmtlevy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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:: It's not large enough a barrier, I've tried that.  I DO end up going
:: back in the cabinet for "just one more baggie."

I do the same thing.  I'm a nut nut.  If they are around, I will search and
destroy.

Bottom line: don't eat nuts if you're nuts for nuts.

::: Another psychological game that works with pistachios:  Do not allow
::: yourself to pick up and snap the shell of the next pistachio before
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:: I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
:: flaws.
carla - 10 Jan 2004 03:34 GMT
> > You might try something similar - go ahead and buy a large, economical
> > package of pistachios, and then count out 30-32 to a baggie.  Put the
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> It's not large enough a barrier, I've tried that.  I DO end up going back
> in the cabinet for "just one more baggie."

Aw, crud.  I'm sorry.  There are definitely things I am this way about.  As
much as I like nuts, though, I am able to leave the remaining baggies in the
cabinet, so I was hoping you just hadn't tried it yet.  :-(  I'm sorry you
have to think about giving them up altogether.

carla
237/220/165?
Obsidian - 13 Jan 2004 16:50 GMT
Hey, you gotta live a little right?.  Besides, at least you're still
loosing weight.

Obidian

>> > You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning,
>> I
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>> carla
>> 237/220/165?
Luna - 13 Jan 2004 18:16 GMT
> Hey, you gotta live a little right?.  Besides, at least you're still
> loosing weight.
>
> Obidian

Was this to me or carla? If it was to me, yeah, I'm still losing, and what
worries me about my nut consumption isn't the possibility of it hindering
my weight loss so much as it's the compulsive overeating that they trigger
in me.  If I end up eating 4 or 5 times as many nuts as I'd planned, no
matter what it does to my weight loss it's still mentally unhealthy.  The
battle to stop eating at one serving is a battle I'd rather not fight.

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Obsidian - 13 Jan 2004 22:04 GMT
Yup, it was to you..............know what you mean about nuts though.
I gotta watch the cashew compulsion once in awhile.

Obisidian

>> Hey, you gotta live a little right?.  Besides, at least you're still
>> loosing weight.
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>matter what it does to my weight loss it's still mentally unhealthy.  The
>battle to stop eating at one serving is a battle I'd rather not fight.
Jean B. - 13 Jan 2004 23:56 GMT
> Yup, it was to you..............know what you mean about nuts though.
> I gotta watch the cashew compulsion once in awhile.
>
> Obisidian

Now I buy the most microscopic amount possible--one serving if I
am lucky.  Depends on what comes out of the spout of the bulk bin
though.  Sometimes I miscalculate.

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marli - 10 Jan 2004 08:34 GMT
great idea
i'm going to try that
A Mugnificent Desolation - 09 Jan 2004 13:22 GMT
>You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning, I
>bet I would lose a lot more if I could stay away from nuts,

I don't know about that. Maybe there is a relationship between weight
loss and staying away from your ex, maybe not.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Luna - 09 Jan 2004 18:11 GMT
> >You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning, I
> >bet I would lose a lot more if I could stay away from nuts,
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> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031109.html
> Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

lol!  Of course, if I stayed away from _all_ nuts I'd have to avoid this
newsgroup too.

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Roger Zoul - 09 Jan 2004 18:41 GMT
:: lol!  Of course, if I stayed away from _all_ nuts I'd have to avoid
:: this newsgroup too.

For sure.
Taffy Stoker - 09 Jan 2004 19:20 GMT
>lol!  Of course, if I stayed away from _all_ nuts I'd have to avoid this
>newsgroup too.

I feel the same way about a particular chatroom I used to frequent.

I swear it was like freaks-on-parade.
Ignoramus30622 - 09 Jan 2004 13:46 GMT
> You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning, I
> bet I would lose a lot more if I could stay away from nuts, especially
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> I'm at goal, and even then I will only buy small bags and not the giant
> ones at Sam's Club.

It's obviously individual, but I find that two things help. One is to
buy unsalted nuts. Another is not to munch on stuff ever, especially
in the evening.

i
223/174/180
Roger Zoul - 09 Jan 2004 13:58 GMT
:: In article
:: <lunachick-CCEF25.23121108012004@news04.east.earthlink.net>, Luna
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
:: buy unsalted nuts. Another is not to munch on stuff ever, especially
:: in the evening.

The unsalted thing doesn't work for me...I like nuts (almonds, cashews)
anyway I can get them.   I cannot eat nuts IF/WHEN I want to lose weight.
Pretty simple.

However, I can control myself with almond butter.  I think it is the month
sensation.

I do try to not snack.  I like to eat 3 solids per day.  However, sometimes
I need to eat a small something before going to the gym.  I don't like
lifting if I have a hunger sensation.

Many people claim benefits (better BG control & less hunger) if they eat
frequent but small meals over the day.

The thing is this: folks must find what works for them and do that.  What
helps you may not help someone else.
Ignoramus30622 - 09 Jan 2004 14:30 GMT
>:: In article
>:: <lunachick-CCEF25.23121108012004@news04.east.earthlink.net>, Luna
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> The thing is this: folks must find what works for them and do that.  What
> helps you may not help someone else.

Agreed on all points. I just realized that I made an incorrect
statement. I do munch on vegetables at work (tomatoes, bellpeppers,
carots etc).

i
Luna - 09 Jan 2004 18:12 GMT
> >:: In article
> >:: <lunachick-CCEF25.23121108012004@news04.east.earthlink.net>, Luna
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> i

Yeah, I think I'm going to replace the nuts with celery sticks and
bellpeppers.  That way I still get some crunch.

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n k bakker - 14 Jan 2004 13:46 GMT
When I decided to go up a certain number carbs a day, I considered the
(12) almonds almost like medicine pills... could only have that many 3
times a week.

nancyy
Luna - 14 Jan 2004 17:44 GMT
> When I decided to go up a certain number carbs a day, I considered the
> (12) almonds almost like medicine pills... could only have that many 3
> times a week.
>
> nancyy

I'm going to start thinking of nuts as a rare treat, a dessert.  Instead of
bringing nuts as a snack to work, I brought cheese cubes, and one serving
of those was plenty!  Yay! I'm gonna bring some celery sticks with cream
cheese spread today, so I can have some crunch.

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Alan M - 16 Jan 2004 00:39 GMT
With a net carb count of 1.4 per two Tbs, what is the problem? If you feel
that guilty perhaps walnuts would help. Less then 1gm per two Tbs
Alan M
> When I decided to go up a certain number carbs a day, I considered the
> (12) almonds almost like medicine pills... could only have that many 3
> times a week.
>
> nancyy
Luna - 16 Jan 2004 02:08 GMT
Well, I don't know about nancyy, but for me, the problem is the calories,
not the carbs.  I bought a canister of almonds to snack on at work once
with 6 servings in the canister, I believe it was 12 net carbs for the
whole canister. Not too bad since I am aiming for 60ish grams a day. But
over 1000 calories!!!  And yes, I did end up eating the whole thing, over a
period of 8 hours.  Not good.

> With a net carb count of 1.4 per two Tbs, what is the problem? If you feel
> that guilty perhaps walnuts would help. Less then 1gm per two Tbs
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> >
> > nancyy

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n k bakker - 16 Jan 2004 11:50 GMT
> Well, I don't know about nancyy, but for me, the problem is the calories,
> not the carbs.  I bought a canister of almonds to snack on at work once
> with 6 servings in the canister, I believe it was 12 net carbs for the
> whole canister. Not too bad since I am aiming for 60ish grams a day. But
> over 1000 calories!!!  And yes, I did end up eating the whole thing, over a
> period of 8 hours.  Not good.

I don't know... somehow I just can approach all of my eating (for the
first time in my life) as "fuel or medicine" instead of some great
chance 3 times (or more) a day to enjoy myself with food...and it has
been easy to just eat 10 times the calories that I want to weigh.

So I have been able to just decide each week what to buy, what and
when to eat in some odd non-emotional way...

And now (a few months into it) I am wearing slacks 6 inches smaller
around the waist... they had been on hangers for so long (because I
couldn't fit in them) there are large creases where they hung on the
hanger!

So (for now) I am in control...and loving it.
jmk - 16 Jan 2004 14:15 GMT
Could you measure them out and put them into six of the small zip-lock
style snack bags and then bring one bag to work at a time?  Would that
work for you?

> Well, I don't know about nancyy, but for me, the problem is the calories,
> not the carbs.  I bought a canister of almonds to snack on at work once
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>>>
>>>nancyy

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Luna - 16 Jan 2004 16:47 GMT
I sure could, but on this particular day it was a situation where I was on
my way to work, there's a grocery store across the street, and I went
shopping for work food. What I'd rather do is have something more filling
for a snack, like cheese cubes, where I can eat one serving and not _want_
anymore.

> Could you measure them out and put them into six of the small zip-lock
> style snack bags and then bring one bag to work at a time?  Would that
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> >>>
> >>>nancyy

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Stan Marks - 16 Jan 2004 22:29 GMT
> Well, I don't know about nancyy, but for me, the problem is the calories,
> not the carbs.  I bought a canister of almonds to snack on at work once
> with 6 servings in the canister, I believe it was 12 net carbs for the
> whole canister. Not too bad since I am aiming for 60ish grams a day. But
> over 1000 calories!!!  And yes, I did end up eating the whole thing, over a
> period of 8 hours.  Not good.

Hi, Luna,

I posted about this same subject some time back, but I guess it bears
repeating...

Raw - NOT roasted, parched, or otherwise "cooked" - nuts seem to have a
built-in "stop" to them. You can only eat so many before you are either
satiated or even tired of them. Raw-in-shell nuts are even better, since
you have to shell them, first, before you can eat them!

I used to buy a can of "deluxe" mixed nuts (no peanuts), thinking that
they would last me a couple of days, but (of course), once I got started
eating them, I couldn't stop! The Thanksgiving-Christmas season has been
a godsend to me, since it is now possible to find raw-in-shell nuts in
most grocery stores. The effort it takes to crack and shell even a
handful of nuts is something of a deterrent, itself, and I find that by
the time I have done so, I'm satiated. Try it for yourself...

Stan
tintinet - 16 Jan 2004 16:02 GMT
> You know, even though I'm still losing, albeit slower than the beginning, I
> bet I would lose a lot more if I could stay away from nuts, especially
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I'm at goal, and even then I will only buy small bags and not the giant
> ones at Sam's Club.

Nuts may not be too bad, even without moderation. I have to buy them
by the case to keep my wife in stock- she eats pounds and pounds a
week of deluxe mixed nuts- and loses weight!
 
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