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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Mayonnaise and calories
I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on burgers, etc. When I enter my daily info on Fitday, my carbs are very low but my calories are so high. I entered my mayo (Best Foods) in the custom section and there don't appear to be hidden carbs as they remain at "zero" whether I have 1 tbs. or 1 cup. The calories however would range from 100 to 1600. At the end of the day, my carbs are less than 20 (still on induction with no variations) but my calories are 3-4,000+. Question...would I be better off lowering my mayo intake or should I eat my protein and mayo and be satisfied? Judy http://www.jlwooddesign.com Judy <judyvi2@hotmail.com> quoth: >I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like >mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >remain at "zero" whether I have 1 tbs. or 1 cup. The calories however >would range from 100 to 1600. Those calories will be from the fat in the mayo. > At the end of the day, my carbs are >less than 20 (still on induction with no variations) but my calories >are 3-4,000+. Question...would I be better off lowering my mayo >intake or should I eat my protein and mayo and be satisfied? I would keep eating mayo, but use moderation. If you eat enough calories all the low-carbing in the world won't make you lose weight. Priscilla What could you possibly be eating to reach 3000 - 4000 calories??? That is extremely high - are you entering some info incorrectly?? > I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like > mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Judy > http://www.jlwooddesign.com > I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like > mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > are 3-4,000+. Question...would I be better off lowering my mayo > intake or should I eat my protein and mayo and be satisfied? unless you are very heavy (400 or more pounds) you are not going to lose weight on 4000 calories a day, and even then it's probably more than you need. mayonnaise is a condiment. you should be using it in small quantities. > I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like > mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on > burgers, etc. When I enter my daily info on Fitday, my carbs are very > low but my calories are so high. I entered my mayo (Best Foods) in > the custom section and there don't appear to be hidden carbs as they > remain at "zero" whether I have 1 tbs. or 1 cup. "Hidden" carbs won't show up if you enter 0 carbs in your custom food entry. "Hidden" carbs are carbs that are in a food but don't show up on the labelling because the suggested serving size is small enough to have less than 0.5g of carbohydrate. The serving size on your jar of mayonnaise is probably 1 tbsp, so it will say 0 g carbs. Ordinary mayonnaise, however, has about 6g per cup (according to FitDay). So there are hidden carbs in mayonnaise, and if you are really eating a cup a day, you could be undercounting your carbs. Folks who know more about Atkins than I do will tell you whether that undercounting is what is sinking you. My own opinion is that 6g isn't too much to be off by, but if it's not the only place you are undercounting it could be part of a larger problem. The calories however > would range from 100 to 1600. At the end of the day, my carbs are > less than 20 (still on induction with no variations) but my calories > are 3-4,000+. Question...would I be better off lowering my mayo > intake or should I eat my protein and mayo and be satisfied? As others have suggested, this sounds like a lot of calories. Are you overcounting them? Perhaps you could post a typical day's menu. carla 237/220/165? > I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like > mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Judy > http://www.jlwooddesign.com Well, are you still losing? If you can lose at a high calorie intake, then by all means continue eating it. You will probalby find that you can't keep on at that level as your weight drops, though. That being said, I switched to a "light" mayo for this very reason; the carbs are slightly higher, but the calories are about half. I find that I have to watch calories as well as carbs. For me, the lesser calories were woth the carb trade off. - jen c > I'm always confused on this so somebody please help me out. I like > mayonnaise and lots of it, in salads with garlic salt, with tuna, on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Judy > http://www.jlwooddesign.com Check your unit measures for the mayo. I'm not sure how anyone could eat 1600 calories of mayo in a day. If you are...you really need to cut that back a bit. Without knowing your actual weight and goals, it's hard to say where you should be calorie wise...but 4000 is high for anyone. Thank you all for wanting to help me figure this all out. I thought this diet did not count the quantity of meat only the carbs, but it seems a lot of my calories come from there. I'll post my intake from yesterday and I'll take any suggestions. I was feeling very lightheaded and hungry, so I ate. I am loosing but it's only the first week and I'm sure some is water and some is fat (showing keytones). I hope to get off about 75 lbs. By the way, the roast and ham is not from the deli. Total carbs 14, calories 4147. Carbs Calories Breakfast 3 eggs 4 304 3 oz bacon 0 484 Lunch 8 oz hamburger 0 604 2 C lettuce 0 13 5 Tbs mayo 0 500 Snack 8 oz roast beef 0 600 Dinner 6 oz ham 0 462 2 C salmon 1 467 2 oz sausage 1 218 3 Tbs salad dress 2 214 2 Tbs cooked egg 1 45 2 oz cheese 1 228 1 oz lemon 1 4 Total for day 14 4147 Thanks again, Judy http://www.jlwooddesign.com > Thank you all for wanting to help me figure this all out. I thought > this diet did not count the quantity of meat only the carbs, but it That's for the first few weeks, where you need the extra food to help you get through the carb withdrawl. After that, the rule is "eat enough to be satisfied, but no more". > lightheaded and hungry, so I ate. I am loosing but it's only the > first week Then DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. Ignore calories, ignore weight loss. Just worry about sticking strictly to the rules and try to get through the first few weeks without straying. In a month or so, *if* you're not losing weight, *then* post a day's menu with calories. > Thank you all for wanting to help me figure this all out. I thought > this diet did not count the quantity of meat only the carbs, but it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Thanks again, Judy > http://www.jlwooddesign.com Judy, that is a LOT of food/calories! It's also a great deal of protein. Too much protein can cause the infamous "keto-breath". Also, excess protein can actually be broken down INTO carbs by your body, so you may be unknowingly sabotaging yourself on that front. Check http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ to see how to calculate how much protein you need. Try substituting some veggies for some of the meat if you are feeling hungry. For instance, broccoli, cauliflower, green beans, zucchini, celery, salads of not only lettuce, but tomatoes (in moderation), green onions, olives, cheese, celery, etc. I often make a salad that's a meal in and of itself. You can add ham or other meat/fish/poultry (I LOVE cooked shrimp in a salad) to it to make it more rounded and satisfying (not to mention more interesting). It would cut the calorie consumption CONSIDERABLY and still be a full meal. You would need to budget the carbs for it, of course, but it's a MUCH better value for your 20 carbs. My BIG salads tend to average about 8-10 carbs. The last time I made one, I added a can if pinto beans, but that pushed the carbs up to almost 17 per serving, so I don't think I'll do that again for a while (besides, they made me gassy :-) Ketones showing up in the urine DO mean your body is burning fat, but it does not differentiate between burning fat from your food or fat from your body -- it's going to burn the food FIRST, THEN start working on the body, so if you take in too much dietary fat, it's less likely it will turn to the body fat for fuel. Don't get me wrong, you SHOULD be taking in about 70% or so fat, just don't go overboard. Remember, you should be eating until you are SATED, but not STUFFED (i.e., just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD)! It can be difficult to differentiate between what you NEED vs. what you WANT, especially if you are used to eating large quantities. Part of changing your way of eating is to establish some portion control. It doesn't have to be RIGID (except for the carb part), but it SHOULD be in moderation. That said, the main point of induction is to change habits and kickstart your body into burning fat instead of carbs for fuel, which I think you ARE doing. You just need to get more bang for your buck. I lose more slowly than many for a variety of reasons. I've lost more often in the last 6 weeks, though, because I finally accepted the fact that I HAD to cut my calories. I'm staying between 1200-1400 calories per day (with occasional exceptions), and it's paying off with faster loss (still not impressive, but more steadily). I'm currently at 176 lbs. If you start out weighing more, you WILL need more calories/day just to maintain your current body mass. The general rule of thumb seems to be to take in 10-12 times your CURRENT body weight in calories, so I suppose I COULD take in 1760 calories, but that doesn't seem to be working for me, at least not as quickly as I'd like (I only lose about 1-2 lbs every 2-3 weeks that way). Many people figure out the 10-12 rule, then drop about 500 calories from THAT in order to lose. Unless you weigh 410 lbs (which you may), 4000 calories may cause you to GAIN, not lose.  SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 Thanks again for all your answers. You've given me a lot to think about. Saffire, could you post a menu of what you get to eat that consist of your 1400 calories. Even in protein, that doesn't sound like it would be very much but I'm still a big eater. I do only eat until satisfied, not stuffed. Thanks. Judy http://www.jlwooddesign.com > Thanks again for all your answers. You've given me a lot to think > about. Saffire, could you post a menu of what you get to eat that > consist of your 1400 calories. Even in protein, that doesn't sound > like it would be very much but I'm still a big eater. I do only eat > until satisfied, not stuffed. Thanks. Hmmm, well, I mostly just sit around all day, due to physical issues and unemployment, so I don't need to eat as much as a more active person. Also, I tend not to eat conventional "meals". I usually have what I consider a "main dish" twice a day, and fill in the rest with various things when I feel the need/urge. I also tend to make veggies into a "main dish" simply by eating a lot of it at one sitting, although quantities vary from day to day. For instance, a bowl of Fauxtatoes or an entire bunch of asparagus is a meal in and of itself (for me). Some days I only have a little bit of veggies as part of some other dish (like soup or lasagna). I DO try to have a big salad or a bowl of flax cereal each day, but I'm not always successful at that. I just bought some mason jars to use with my FoodSaver for salad, which I'm hoping will work a little better than the bags for keeping them fresh (the bags aren't bad in that regard, but it's easy to crush them if you aren't careful and the vacuum can draw some of the wetter stuff through the drier stuff). That way, I can make up a week's worth of salad at one time -- otherwise I simply wouldn't eat it very often. Lately I've been eating the cereal for dinner because it keeps me filled up for a long time and I'll be less likely to do late-night snacking. Also, I've never been a big meat eater, so I seldom have steaks, roasts or pork chops, although I do like ribs. 1 cup decaf coffee 1 tbl half & half 1 bowl flax/hazelnut/oat flour cereal or 1 svg low-carb lasagna (393 cals/9.3 carbs) or 1 cup turkey veggie soup (89 cals/6.7 carbs) or 12 oz Trader Joe's Jumbo New England Scallops w/butter (400 cals/9 carbs) or 8 Foster Farms hot wings (340 cals/2 carbs) or a big salad with romaine, cherry tomatoes, olives, celery, green onion, jicama, almonds, cheese & guacamole dressing (263 cals/10 carbs) or "fiesta beef" (basically taco filling with cheese & sour cream on top) (267 cals/9.4 carbs or fried or baked cabbage & onions (with bacon grease) (190 cals/10.7 carbs) or mushrooms, onion & egg cooked with butter & sherry wine (383 cals/12.01 carbs) or fauxtatoes (cauliflower/cream cheese/butter) (265 cals/2 carbs) or pork ribs slow-cooked overnight in low-carb BBQ sauce (475-500 cals/3 carbs) or 2 scrambled eggs with cheese, butter & green onion (396 cals/3 carbs) or 13 asparagus spears with 1 tbl mayo (~160 cals/7 carbs) or 2 chicken thighs (382 cals/0 carbs) In between main dishes (depending on whatever else I might have eaten or plan to eat that day) I might have things like: 6 super-thin ham slices rolled with a cream cheese/salsa mix (200 cals/2.6 carbs crisped cheddar cheese stick (114 cals/.4 carbs) 5 slices of Ready-Crisp bacon (117 cals/0 carbs) strawberries & whipped cream (lots of cals in the cream, though) 3 oz apple & 4 tbl whipped cream (~300 cals/12 carbs) 1 (of 6) svg baking chocolate/cream cheese/Splenda/Stevia dessert (184 cals/3.2 carbs) 1 slice Orowheat toast with 1 tbl butter (160 cals/6 carbs) 9 pork rinds (80 cals/0 carbs) Peach Smints (.5 cal/.2 carb ea) When I make a big batch of turkey veggie soup, I eat it as a main dish as often as possible since it's SOOO low-cal, filling and chock-full of veggies (not to mention tasty). Sometimes I make a meal of just the ham and cream cheese/salsa mix. I WAS eating strawberries, blueberries or apple with 1/2 cup whipped cream, but have realized over the last several weeks that I need to cut out so much whipped cream -- rather than eating 1/2 of a pint each time, I'm using 2-3 squirts from a whipped cream dispenser. Lately my dessert of choice has been the baking chocolate/cream cheese concoction. Sooo, upon reflection, I guess the way I keep it between 1200-1400 cals is that I only have 2 main dishes. It's not going to work for everyone, but it seems to be working for me. I suspect it will be more difficult once I start working again. I'm NOT always successful in keeping the cals down, but that's what I'm AIMING for, which at least tends to at least keep me from going over 1500-1600 cals/day :-) SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 Saffire, Thanks for your post on what you've been eating. I printed it out so I can refer to it. Your in-progress photos are a real inspiration. Looks like you've lost a lot of your rear end too! Judy http://www.jlwooddesign.com > Saffire, > Thanks for your post on what you've been eating. I printed it out so > I can refer to it. Your in-progress photos are a real inspiration. > Looks like you've lost a lot of your rear end too! Thank you! I HAVE lost a lot there :-) SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 I agree with the "Don't worry about it" comment, especially if you are losing weight. However, think about what you want to do after you reach your goal weight. In that case, you will probably want to cut way back on the calories and increase the carbs to include a small amount of many of the forbidden high carb foods. At that point, I'd call the ideal diet a moderate carb, low calorie, moderate protein diet. PJ >Thank you all for wanting to help me figure this all out. I thought >this diet did not count the quantity of meat only the carbs, but it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Thanks again, Judy >http://www.jlwooddesign.com > From: PJx (Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:05:22 -0600) > MsgId: <l2q000lt38csp9l74f660oen3ou49c0v6n@4ax.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the forbidden high carb foods. At that point, I'd call the ideal diet > a moderate carb, low calorie, moderate protein diet. I'd suggest adjusting daily caloric intake to match current weight. If you're at, say, 300 lbs and you're trying to get to 150, you don't eat 3,000 calories per day until you hit 150, then drop back to 1,500. You'd never hit 150lbs. In the past, I've used 10x desired weight. So if, for example, I wanted to be at 150, I ate 1500 calories. I think this was drastic. It resulted in weight loss, but I think my body was also fighting starvation (for lack of a better word). If I were 300 lbs now, I'd do 2,700 calories. As I dropped weight, I'd continue to do 9 times weight (300 * 9 = 2700, 250 * 9 = 2250, etc.) That way, when I get to the target weight of 150, I'd already be used to the calories needed to maintain that weight as opposed to undergoing some drastic reduction in calories when I get there. A reasonably active person (and people often forget the "reasonably active" part) needs about 10x weight to maintain, so about 1,500 for a 150lb person. |
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