Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004
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TE - 10 Jan 2004 02:11 GMT Hey all,
I just started TKD last week...well I think I did. I just want to make sure I have my facts straight. I've never done a low carb diet before so all of this is quite new to me. Here's TKD as I understand it:
1) Restrict daily calories to 20g-30g a day 2) Get plenty of protein (~1g/lbs of body weight) 3) Take 20-50g carbs before exercising
Am I missing anything or is this really all there is to it? Please if I forgot to mention something obvious about the diet, let me know!
Thanks in advance.
JC Der Koenig - 10 Jan 2004 02:15 GMT I'm not sure that you can get all the calories you need at only 20g - 30g a day.
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> Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance. TE - 10 Jan 2004 02:32 GMT How many should I be getting?
My current stats are 154 @ 16% BF
I've been eating between 1475-1600/day... plus I have my workouts.
Can you actually stay in ketosis if you are above 30g/day ?
> I'm not sure that you can get all the calories you need at only 20g - 30g a > day. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Thanks in advance. JJ - 10 Jan 2004 02:43 GMT TE,
I know nothing about TKD.
However, I believe that JC was making a joke. In your first post you wrote, mistakenly I believe, "1) Restrict daily calories to 20g-30g a day." I think that this should be "carbohydrates" not "calories." If you are eating only 20g of food a day, it would be difficult to come up with enough calories...hence JC's joke. (If he wasn't joking somebody please explain it to me.)
That said, if you are eating 1475 to 1600 calories per day, at 154 pounds, this sounds about right to me. There are others here who will almost certainly chime in with their thoughts about calorie levels.
JJ.
> How many should I be getting? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > >> Thanks in advance. TE - 10 Jan 2004 11:31 GMT > TE, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > calories...hence JC's joke. (If he wasn't joking somebody please explain it > to me.) hehe, and thats what I get for a late night post. Maybe these low carbs are now affecting my brain =O
Yes, I did mean to say calories and not carbs...
> That said, if you are eating 1475 to 1600 calories per day, at 154 > pounds, this sounds about right to me. There are others here who will > almost certainly chime in with their thoughts about calorie levels. > > JJ. At my current routine/diet, what do you think I should expect for a timeline? weeks? months? I'm aiming to get to 10% but 12% will be enough...
JC Der Koenig - 10 Jan 2004 02:45 GMT I was just playing with your sloppy post.
Restricting your intake to 20g - 30g OF CARBS per day, seems like a good idea. You'll have to adjust the total calorie numbers a little to make sure you keep losing fat.
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> How many should I be getting? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > >> Thanks in advance. Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 10 Jan 2004 05:24 GMT > How many should I be getting? > > My current stats are 154 @ 16% BF > > I've been eating between 1475-1600/day... plus I have my workouts. Sounds about right for your weight. If you want, use this formula to calculate it (very roughly):
weight X 10 = total calories needed to function with no activity that number multiplied (x) by: 1.0 if you are not active 1.5 if you are semi active 2.0 if you are extremely active
The first number gives you a basic idea if your BMR or basal metabolic rate. The second number you get from multiplying by 1.0 - 2.0 gives you the ammount you would burn with your lifestyle.
Most people overestimate the ammount of activity they have in their lifestyle though, so be very careful.
> Can you actually stay in ketosis if you are above 30g/day ? Most definately. Everyone has a different CCL (critical carb level), the spot where they no longer lose weight, and no longer gain.
> > I'm not sure that you can get all the calories you need at only 20g - 30g a > > day. ^that is actually very funny! :-D
> > -- > > JC [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >> > >> Thanks in advance. Susan - 10 Jan 2004 02:19 GMT >1) Restrict daily calories to 20g-30g a day Huh?
Susan
Roger Zoul - 10 Jan 2004 02:23 GMT :: Hey all, :: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: :: 1) Restrict daily calories to 20g-30g a day Restrict carbs, not calories. Big difference. What are your goals?
:: 2) Get plenty of protein (~1g/lbs of body weight) :: 3) Take 20-50g carbs before exercising what kind of exercise are you referring to?
:: Am I missing anything or is this really all there is to it? Please :: if I forgot to mention something obvious about the diet, let me know! www.theketogenicdiet.com
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:: Thanks in advance. TE - 10 Jan 2004 11:28 GMT > :: Hey all, > :: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Restrict carbs, not calories. Big difference. What are your goals? lol, whoops... yes I ment carbs and not calories
> :: 2) Get plenty of protein (~1g/lbs of body weight) > :: 3) Take 20-50g carbs before exercising > > what kind of exercise are you referring to? I am performing HST (Hypertrophy-specific training) 3x a week. Every workout is followed with 15-20 minutes of HIIT (High intensity interval training)
> :: Am I missing anything or is this really all there is to it? Please > :: if I forgot to mention something obvious about the diet, let me know! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > :: Thanks in advance. Roger Zoul - 10 Jan 2004 13:31 GMT :: On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:23:22 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] :: workout is followed with 15-20 minutes of HIIT (High intensity :: interval training) Okay...great! Now, with the TKD, you can do a pre-workout carb load or a post-workout carb load, or both. Some believe that doing a post-workout carb load is better, since the muscles will be in a state that thing want to suck stuff in. So taking your carb load after, along with some protein, might encourage better growth and better recovery. You could try 25g before and 25 g after. Your best bet is to experiment and find what works best for you.
Oh, it might be better to move your HIIT to the off-days from HST and just do "light" cardio after your lifting (circulation improves recovery - removes lactate, etc - also gets blood moving through stubborn fat cells (which helps get rid of it)). That should make your HIIT better since you should be able to do harder intervals. And watch out, during week two of each HST microcycle, doing HIIT might wear you out! You'll definitely find a need for some extra carbs.
::::: Am I missing anything or is this really all there is to it? ::::: Please if I forgot to mention something obvious about the diet, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] ::: ::::: Thanks in advance. Anglea Woollcombe - 10 Jan 2004 03:57 GMT what is tkd ?????
> Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 10 Jan 2004 05:31 GMT > what is tkd ????? I believe it stands for The Ketogenic Diet. It is a variation I think, of Atkins, south beach, et al.
TE - 10 Jan 2004 11:24 GMT On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:31:59 +0000, Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:
>> what is tkd ????? > > I believe it stands for The Ketogenic Diet. > It is a variation I think, of Atkins, south beach, et al. TKD stands for Targeted Ketogenic Diet. It is similar to CKD in the sense that you try to stay in ketosis. However, with TKD you don't have "carb up" days - instead you take some carbs before a workout. It helps with energy levels during the exercise routines...
RRzVRR - 11 Jan 2004 17:48 GMT > 3) Take 20-50g carbs before exercising > > Am I missing anything or is this really all there is to it? Please if I > forgot to mention something obvious about the diet, let me know! I've done TKD on and off for many years. My experience and opinion is that it works best for me to take in carbs post WT. I want raised insulin post training for uptake and for repair. I often use dextrose in a protein shake or a dextrose based creatine drink, then protein. The reason being is that my main concern is recovery. I'm in my 40's and recovery becomes a little more difficult as you get older.
But you need to experiment and find what gives you the best progress in your training while maintaining or dropping some BF.
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TE - 12 Jan 2004 23:18 GMT >> 3) Take 20-50g carbs before exercising >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But you need to experiment and find what gives you the best progress > in your training while maintaining or dropping some BF. Interesting... I was under the impression that carb loading usually happend before the workout to provide energy.
dextrose... yeah, I stalked up on Smarties candy (or Rockets as they call them over seas) I've heard that taking 5 rolls before is good, but I"m not sure if this is true and how soon they should be taken. How many grams of carbs did you take after and how soon?
Bob M - 13 Jan 2004 01:01 GMT >>> 3) Take 20-50g carbs before exercising >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > not sure if this is true and how soon they should be taken. How many > grams of carbs did you take after and how soon? I take some before and after. Dextrose is cheap (you can buy it -- or maltodextrin -- at a beer brewing place). Supposedly, carb loading after a workout causes insulin to force the muscles to take in sugar (but I wonder how well it works in those of us who are insulin resistant?). I take the sugar beforehand because I workout in the morning and my blood sugar dips too low.
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RRzVRR - 13 Jan 2004 11:06 GMT > Interesting... I was under the impression that carb loading usually > happend before the workout to provide energy. TKD is mostly about having enough glycogen within the muscles to do anaerobic work. Taking in pre-workout carbs is to aid in post workout glyogen reload. Some get a benefit from having a raised blood glucose level during a workout, but that dosen't seem to help me.
> dextrose... yeah, I stalked up on Smarties candy (or Rockets as they call > them over seas) I've heard that taking 5 rolls before is good, but I"m > not sure if this is true and how soon they should be taken. How many > grams of carbs did you take after and how soon? Smarties got old very fast. Dextrose is pretty cheap (I pick mine up at Indian food markets). As far as the amount goes, you need to do some experiementing. The amount of glycogen used during a given workout is relative to your ability to lift heavy enough and complete enough reps to cause a significate use of glycogen. From Lyle McDonald's book, "The Ketogenic Diet - A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner": for every 2 sets you'll need around 5 grams. I believe those 2 sets should be done working with weight that's at least 70% of your 1RM or higher.
I'd suggest that you track your training progress, when you see progress stalling start experiementing with small amounts, increase to a level that both helps you progress yet doesn't knock you out of ketosis for long. Just FYI, it seemed to me that over time I needed less grams to keep up progress than when I started.
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