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Mandy Holmes - 11 Jan 2004 22:21 GMT
Hi all

I have just started Atkins and while I think i'm doing it right a few
something is confusing me.

Firstly I understand that you are limited to 20g carbs per day and that most
of this is to come from salad/veg. The problem I had today was getting
enough carbs from the quantities you are allowed (230g salad and 200g veg).

For dinner I was planning on having 100g cabbage and 100g cauliflower but
this didn't give me the 15g carbs I still had left in my allowance. In the
end I had 100g mushrooms and 100g leeks instead as this gave me more carbs.

Could someone have a glance at my menu for today and make some suggestions:

Breakfast
   Bacon & Cheese Omlette made with 2 rashes bacon + 3 eggs + 2oz cheese
(2g carb)
Lunch
   Cold Chicken + 60g lettuce (0.5g carbs) + 40g cucumber (0.6g carbs) +
20g spring onions (1g carbs) + 30g mayo (0.5g carbs)
Dinner
   Lamb + 1 leek (11g carbs) + 110g mushrooms (2g carbs) + 3 tblsp double
cream (1.3g carbs)

I make this out to be about 19g carbs or have I wildly miscalculated
something?

Thanks
Mandy
Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 11 Jan 2004 23:00 GMT
> Hi all
>
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> of this is to come from salad/veg. The problem I had today was getting
> enough carbs from the quantities you are allowed (230g salad and 200g veg).

You are allowed UP TO 20g of carbs per day. Do not concern yourself with
making sure you are eating more of one thing or the other to get up to 20g
of carbs.
be more concerned with getting enough fiber and vitamins naturally, so you
do not start to become dehydrated, consipated, or cramped up for no reason
other than lack of nutrients and fiber.

> For dinner I was planning on having 100g cabbage and 100g cauliflower but
> this didn't give me the 15g carbs I still had left in my allowance. In the
> end I had 100g mushrooms and 100g leeks instead as this gave me more carbs.

Again, you are shooting for 20g of carbs or less.
The 20g carbs is something you must stick to, and do not go over. This makes
sure your body switches into lipolysis, and starts to burn fat as fuel
instead of glucose, and the byproduct is ketosis (which everyone says "i am
in ketosis now", this is why they say it).

> Could someone have a glance at my menu for today and make some suggestions:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I make this out to be about 19g carbs or have I wildly miscalculated
> something?

It looks fine mandy, but again you are worrying too much at getting to 20g
of carbs.
If you ate 10g one day and 20g the next and FIVE the following day, your
body does not care much. The body just needs to have its glycogen stores
depleted enough to need to burn fat for fuel.
And by staying at under 20g of carbs, you are ensuring those stores are not
replenished, and that your body stays in a constant state of ketosis.

So watch your calories more than your carbs, stay at under 20g carbs, and
make sure you arent eating tons of fatty caloric rich foods like beef and
the like... your diet looks great to me, and i think that you will see fast
results, depending on how fast your body responds to the switch over to
lipolysis.

> Thanks
> Mandy
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 11 Jan 2004 23:40 GMT
> Hi all
>
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> I make this out to be about 19g carbs or have I wildly miscalculated
> something?

the only thing i see is that it doesn't look like you counted the carbs
in your eggs.
Jim Marnott - 11 Jan 2004 23:47 GMT
> of this is to come from salad/veg. The problem I had today was getting
> enough carbs from the quantities you are allowed (230g salad and 200g veg).

You don't have to eat EXACTLY 20g carbs.  You have to eat a MAXIMUM of
20g carbs.

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ConnieG999 - 12 Jan 2004 01:50 GMT
>I have just started Atkins and while I think i'm doing it right a few
>something is confusing me.
>Firstly I understand that you are limited to 20g carbs per day and that most
>of this is to come from salad/veg.

If you stick with the Rules of Induction and eat only from the foods on the
Allowed Foods list, you should come in under 20 grams easily. If you're
thinking you MUST have 20 grams of carbs per day, this isn't correct. The list
of allowed foods is to easy for you.  Eat from the list, and eat until you're
satisfied. Your averages from day to day will vary, and you're on the Induction
phase for only two weeks anyway. Worry about carbs and calories, etc. when you
move to Ongoing Weight Loss.

From the Atkins.com site:
Eat liberally of combinations of fat and protein in the form of poultry, fish,
shellfish, eggs and red meat, as well as pure, natural fat in the form of
butter, mayonnaise, olive oil, safflower, sunflower and other vegetable oils
(preferably expeller-pressed or cold-pressed).
Eat no more than 20 grams a day of carbohydrate, most of which must come in the
form of salad greens and other vegetables. You can eat approximately three
loosely packed cups of salad, or two cups of salad plus one cup of other
vegetables (see Acceptable Foods).
Eat absolutely no fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy vegetables or dairy
products other than cheese, cream or butter. Do not eat nuts or seeds in the
first two weeks. Foods that combine protein and carbohydrates, such as
chickpeas, kidney beans and other legumes, are not permitted at this time.
Eat nothing that isn't on the Acceptable Foods list. And that means absolutely
nothing. Your "just this one taste won't hurt" rationalization is the kiss of
failure during this phase of Atkins.
Adjust the quantity you eat to suit your appetite, especially as it decreases.
When you're hungry, eat the amount that makes you feel satisfied, but not
stuffed. When you're not hungry, eat a small controlled carbohydrate snack to
accompany your nutritional supplements.

Connie
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- 12 Jan 2004 04:35 GMT
| Hi all
|
| I have just started Atkins and while I think i'm doing it right a few
| something is confusing me.

<snip>

Hi Mandy,

Sounds as if you're doing just great!  I won't repeat what the others have
said, but want to add one word of caution.  Make sure you count the "hidden
carbs."  For instance, you're counting eggs and cheese as zero carbs; I
count eggs as 1 carb each and cheese as 1 carb per 2 oz.  In the USA, foods
that have less than 1g of carbs per serving can be labeled as "0", but an
egg that has .9g may as well be counted as one.  Same for cheese; cheddar
for instance has about .7g carbs in 2 oz.  Not a big deal to you now on
induction, but handy to know later on when you're wondering why you're
stalling despite meticulously counting your carbs.

Good luck to you, and welcome to ASDLC!
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Al Neenyo - 12 Jan 2004 11:37 GMT
> I have just started Atkins and while I think i'm doing it right a few
> something is confusing me.
>
> Firstly I understand that you are limited to 20g carbs per day and that most
> of this is to come from salad/veg. The problem I had today was getting
> enough carbs from the quantities you are allowed (230g salad and 200g veg).

Mandy, from your email address I assume you're in the UK and are reading
the UK version of the book.  If so, the "translation" of the book - from
US cups to grams - creates this confusion.  (For example, notice how it
still mentions how the veggies should be "packed", even though that is
irrelevant if you are measuring in grams).

The 230g and 200g are meant to represent only a *part* of your overall total
of 20g carbs.   So they are actually giving the *minimum* amount of carbs
that should consist of salad stuff.  You can then make up the remainder
with even more salad stuff, or with some of the alternative vegetables

The UK book is, in this respect, naff.

.
AmyB - 12 Jan 2004 16:45 GMT
> > I have just started Atkins and while I think i'm doing it right a few
> > something is confusing me.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> .

NAFF??

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Lexin - 12 Jan 2004 17:37 GMT
> > The UK book is, in this respect, naff.

> NAFF??

I don't know the origin, but it means 'not very good'.  And I tend to
agree.

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(300/237/182)
Tim Hobbs - 12 Jan 2004 21:59 GMT
>> > The UK book is, in this respect, naff.
>
>> NAFF??
>
>I don't know the origin, but it means 'not very good'.  And I tend to
>agree.

I believe it originates from the UK sitcom 'Porridge', where it was
invented as a swear word acceptable for television.  E.g. 'naff off'.
I could be wrong however!

I should introduce myself as a old hand at Usenet but a complete
newbie to Atkins, so I'm following this group with a bit of interest.

Oh yes, and I live with Mandy Holmes!!!

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Land Rovers?  http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Martha Gallagher - 12 Jan 2004 23:36 GMT
> >> > The UK book is, in this respect, naff.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> invented as a swear word acceptable for television.  E.g. 'naff off'.
> I could be wrong however!

Unless Porridge has been running since 1959, I doubt it, since that's the
earliest recorded usage the OED has for naff off.

> I should introduce myself as a old hand at Usenet but a complete
> newbie to Atkins, so I'm following this group with a bit of interest.

Great, welcome to ASDLC, here's your ketostix.

> Oh yes, and I live with Mandy Holmes!!!

That's nice.

Martha

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Tim Hobbs - 13 Jan 2004 12:33 GMT
>> >> > The UK book is, in this respect, naff.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Unless Porridge has been running since 1959, I doubt it, since that's the
>earliest recorded usage the OED has for naff off.

Serves me right for believing everything I hear!

>> I should introduce myself as a old hand at Usenet but a complete
>> newbie to Atkins, so I'm following this group with a bit of interest.
>
>Great, welcome to ASDLC, here's your ketostix.

Still sticking with it, and if the scales are to be believed I've lost
very nearly a stone in 10 days.  Which is perhaps a bit too quick!

>> Oh yes, and I live with Mandy Holmes!!!
>
>That's nice.

Mostly!  :-)

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Tim Hobbs

Barcoding?  http://www.bartec-systems.com
Land Rovers?  http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Aramanth Dawe - 13 Jan 2004 13:58 GMT
>> > The UK book is, in this respect, naff.
>
>> NAFF??
>
>I don't know the origin, but it means 'not very good'.  And I tend to
>agree.

According to the Collins English Dictionary, it's an adjective meaning
'of inferior quality' or 'in poor taste'.  The etymology states that
it's 19th Century and perhaps back slang for fan, short for fanny,
which in British English refers to a woman's genitals rather than her
buttocks.

Aramanth
 
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