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LOOK! Atkins the 2nd most expensive diet to follow--?

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Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 12 Jan 2004 04:37 GMT
There is a write up about diets in the national post, a Canadian national
newspaper.

The article compares FOUR diets, and the costs per year to follow said
diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest. Atkins is
the 2nd highest!

Before you newbies call me a troll, I follow Atkins, more or less, and I
support a low carb diet.

*Canada food guide is essentially the exact same thing as the American food
pyramid.

Here goes:

1. Jenny Craig -
$49 to join, $130 a week for JC meals, $2960 for groceries
Total: $9796/year

What you eat typically:
Bkfst - French toast with lite syrup, 1/2 grapefruit, 1 cup non fat milk
Snack - Bar or drink, 1 cup canned pears
Lunch - chicken sandwich, garden salad, 2 tbsp low fat salad dressing
Snack - Jenny Craig cheese curls, 1 cup raw carrots
Dinner - chicken fettuccine, 1 cup steamed green beans, 1/2 cup canned mixed
fruit

^wow, that is alot of food, isn't it?
I do not eat nearly that much in a day.

2. Dr. Atkins
$6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback
Total: $6608/year

What you eat typically:
Bkfst - eggs scrambled or fried w/bacon, ham or sausage, decaf coffee or tea
Lunch - bacon cheeseburger (no bun), small tossed salad, seltzer water
Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consomm?, steak,
roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O.

3. Canada Food Guide
$5216 in groceries

What you eat typically:
Grain - 5-12 servings
Veg and fruit - 5-10 servings
Dairy - up to 4 servings
Meat and alt. - 2-3 servings

4. Protein Power Plan:
$194.96 for diet kit (5 booklets, recipes, videotape and four audiotapes),
$4811 for food
Total: $4979

What you eat typically:
Bkfst - veggie and cheese omlette, sausage link, 1/2 cup berries
Lunch - chicken salad made with 6-8 oz chicken, served on bed of lettuce,
1/2 tomato sliced
Snack - 1 oz peanuts
Dinner - butter garlic London broil 6-8 oz steak, 1/2 cup butter cooked
carrots, 1/2 cup strawberries
Roger Zoul - 12 Jan 2004 05:01 GMT
Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat.

Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:
:: There is a write up about diets in the national post, a Canadian
:: national newspaper.
::
:: The article compares FOUR diets, and the costs per year to follow
:: said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest.
:: Atkins is the 2nd highest!
ConnieG999 - 12 Jan 2004 06:17 GMT
>Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat.

I agree.
It's only expensive if you let it be so.
There are ALWAYS sales on protein items.
I personally eat a lot of eggs and tuna because I like them.
Meaningless comparisons.
And by the way, Jenny Craig's portions are minuscule for the money.

Connie
*****************************************************
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
Saffire - 12 Jan 2004 09:23 GMT
> >Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Meaningless comparisons.
> And by the way, Jenny Craig's portions are minuscule for the money.

I (unsuccessfully) went on Jenny Craig sometime in the early 90s.  What I
remember most were the trays that the pre-packaged dinners came in.  They were
5"x8" trays made of a hard, microwavable plastic.  Why do I remember them?  
Because they were the BEST part about the program!  I STILL have 2 trays left.  
If I had realized how useful they were, I would have saved MORE of them.  They're
PERFECT for small-medium SNACKS.  They're also great for spreading a cream-
cheese/flavoring dessert that can then be cut into pieces (6-8 is what I usually
go with) when it gets colder and, thus, firmer.  It's hard to believe that it
originally was intended to hold an entire DINNER, but it's true!  

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Saffire
205/176/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Luna - 12 Jan 2004 16:55 GMT
Totally.  When skinless, boneless chicken breasts are on sale for $1.99 a
pound or less, I stock up.  When ground beef is on sale, I stock up.  If
you buy in bulk, have an extra big freezer, and look for sales, any diet
can be economical.

> Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> :: said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest.
> :: Atkins is the 2nd highest!

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I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

miss_jaime - 12 Jan 2004 17:16 GMT
>Totally.  When skinless, boneless chicken breasts are on sale for $1.99 a
>pound or less, I stock up.  When ground beef is on sale, I stock up.  If
>you buy in bulk, have an extra big freezer, and look for sales, any diet
>can be economical.

I do the same and not just because I am on low carb. I also have 2
teenage sons to feed.
Debbie Cusick - 13 Jan 2004 00:37 GMT
> Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> :: said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest.
> :: Atkins is the 2nd highest!
Saffire - 12 Jan 2004 05:57 GMT
> 2. Dr. Atkins
> $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consommé, steak,
> roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O.

Well, at least they included salads, which is a start.  But NO dressing?  Oh PUH-
LEAZE!  And no other veggies?  Why would I want clear consomme' when I could have
a hearty SOUP?  Am I sick or something?  No snacks?  Jenny Craig gets chicken
fettucine, but I only get chicken with nothing on it?

I don't know how much to believe them about the other diets since they don't have
Atkins right, either.

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Saffire
205/176/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

jpatti - 12 Jan 2004 12:37 GMT
It doesn't make a lot of sense that Protein Power includes the $200
kit rather than just buying the book and yet comes in that much
cheaper than Atkins.

Phase 1 of Protein Power is very similar to Atkins induction except it
has a few more carbs (30 g vs. 20 g) and is a bit more conscious of
fat (half-and-half instead of heavy cream).

I just don't see how it can be that much cheaper to basically just eat
a bit more veggies than on Atkins.
ronit - 12 Jan 2004 17:53 GMT
Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins        $1,383
No more need for Tums & Rolaids                         -50
No more acne cleansers and creams                      -250
No more sleeping pills due to fluctuating
blood sugar at night                                    -25

Sitting comfortably wearing my size 7 Tommy Hilfigure pants
and eating nuts

PRICELESS!!!

------------------------
And another thing, I don't think most followers of Atkins eat the way
that was noted in the article. Perhaps that's on induction but when
people get to OWL, there's lots stuff.
Penguin - 12 Jan 2004 20:22 GMT
> Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins        $1,383
> No more need for Tums & Rolaids                         -50
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> that was noted in the article. Perhaps that's on induction but when
> people get to OWL, there's lots stuff.

LOL!

-Cheers
LCer09 - 12 Jan 2004 23:46 GMT
>Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins        $1,383
>No more need for Tums & Rolaids                         -50
>No more acne cleansers and creams                      -250
>No more sleeping pills due to fluctuating
>blood sugar at night                                    -25

Foe me, add not more economy size bottles of Excedrin every month! Yay!
(headache free for five weeks and counting)
Saffire - 13 Jan 2004 05:28 GMT
> >Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins        $1,383
> >No more need for Tums & Rolaids                         -50
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Foe me, add not more economy size bottles of Excedrin every month! Yay!
> (headache free for five weeks and counting)

No more Immodium or GasX
MUCH less acid reducer

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Saffire
205/176/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

BJ in Texas - 12 Jan 2004 18:49 GMT
Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:

> 2. Dr. Atkins
> $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with mustard and mayo, clear consomm?, steak, roast, chops,
> fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O.

Wonder where they come up with this as a typical menu? Sounds
closer to an induction menu to me. Menu was probably determined
by some loser journalist that read the part about induction and failed
to read or understand the rest of the book, (if they read the book at
all) the Atkins diet in terms of ongoing weight loss or maintenance.

BJ
232/182/182 - at goal and maintaining for 6 months.
Laureen - 12 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT
> Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> BJ
> 232/182/182 - at goal and maintaining for 6 months.

CRAPOLA!! This WOL is as expensive as you make it. I myself only eat
prime rib 6 times a week....... NOT!!! ROFL
Laureen
Stephen S - 13 Jan 2004 20:00 GMT
In response to Laureen's post:

> CRAPOLA!! This WOL is as expensive as you make it. I myself only eat
> prime rib 6 times a week....... NOT!!! ROFL
> Laureen

Yeah!

With four lobster dinners a week and the 2 daily snacks of shrimp it
gets *really* expensive. <G>

The reporter must be figuring in expensive cuts of steak and the more
expensive fresh seafood.

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Stephen S.
331 / 286 / 220  <- as of 9 Jan. 04
LC since 28 Sept. 03
http://dragonfen.com/diet
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LCer09 - 12 Jan 2004 23:43 GMT
> tossed salad sans dressing,

eh? Since when?

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/239/140
& hubby- 310/268/180
Marsha - 13 Jan 2004 00:19 GMT
Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:

 2. Dr. Atkins
> $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback
> Total: $6608/year
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consommé, steak,
> roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O.

Horse hockey!  Seltzer water?  Shrimp cocktail?  Steak?  I
don't personally have any of those on a regular basis.
These are reserved as "treats" for me.  I have ground beef,
more than a "small" tossed salad and other veggies, tuna,
pork chops or roast when they are on sale, chicken.  All of
these are frequently on sale at any one of several local
markets and I spend much less than that.

Marsha/Ohio
Dawn Taylor - 13 Jan 2004 00:29 GMT
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:37:47 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)"
<real_doktersteve@hotmail.com> announced in front of God and
everybody:

>2. Dr. Atkins
>$6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consommé, steak,
>roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O.

Damn. All that consommé and shrimp cocktail's really screwing with my
budget.

Dawn
DigitalVinyl - 13 Jan 2004 03:30 GMT
I can understand why it could be considered costly.  All the things
that people eat BECAUSE they are cheap fillers (pasta, potato, rice,
bread) in meals are removed. You are left eating more meats, fowl or
fish(definitely more expensive here). All your meal stretchers are
removed. And vegetables aren't always cheap either!
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
Dawn Taylor - 13 Jan 2004 20:08 GMT
>I can understand why it could be considered costly.  All the things
>that people eat BECAUSE they are cheap fillers (pasta, potato, rice,
>bread) in meals are removed. You are left eating more meats, fowl or
>fish(definitely more expensive here). All your meal stretchers are
>removed. And vegetables aren't always cheap either!

Vegetables aren't exactly pricey, either. Not compared to, say, lunch
at McDonald's or a package of Oreos.

I think whenever something like this calculated -- either in a
newspaper article or by someone starting the diet -- people
conveniently forget about how much money they ordinarily spend on
crap. Yeah, rice, potatoes, bread and pasta are cheap -- but how much
money do people spend on fast food several times a week, on chips and
cookies and candy and cake? That stuff isn't cheap and it inflates the
food budget considerably.

My husband and I spend less money on food since we went low-carb
because we a) we cut all that extraneous, unnecessary "fun food" out
of our budget and b) we buy meat, chicken and fish on sale then sock
it away in the freezer. Cauliflower's expensive this week? Well, we
have three or four bags of frozen cauliflower stashed for just such an
event. Beef prices are high right now? Good thing we have those cheap
steaks we bought in the Mondo Family Pack because they were either
mismatched end pieces or about to expire. Ooooh, great sale of cans of
tuna -- we'll buy six or eight of 'em!

It makes me crazy to hear how supposedly expensive it is to eat this
way. The truth is,  if you don't buy six dollar loaves of LC bread,
two-dollar snack bars and other expensive, pre-packaged specialty
products and you spend a little time looking for bargains on your
protein, it's downright frugal.

Dawn
jmk - 14 Jan 2004 15:41 GMT
> The truth is,  if you don't buy six dollar loaves of LC bread,
> two-dollar snack bars and other expensive, pre-packaged specialty
> products and you spend a little time looking for bargains on your
> protein, it's downright frugal.

Good point.  Any kind of pre-packaged food -- low-carb or otherwise --
will inflate the figures.

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jmk in NC

jpatti - 14 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT
> I can understand why it could be considered costly.  All the things
> that people eat BECAUSE they are cheap fillers (pasta, potato, rice,
> bread) in meals are removed. You are left eating more meats, fowl or
> fish(definitely more expensive here). All your meal stretchers are
> removed. And vegetables aren't always cheap either!
> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

I think that since the average person eats lots of highly-processed
crap, going on low-carb if one primairly eats "real food" can be a big
budget saver.  A lot of folks going on a diet end up eating real food,
so save money regardless ofwhat type of diet they're on.

However, if one was *already* primarily cooking from scratch (which I
was here... grinding grain by hand to bake bread - can't get much
cheaper than that!), then low-carb is more expensive - just cause
buying meat, even in bulk and on sale, costs more than buying grain or
rice in bulk.

But... let me quantify that.  I shop on sale and stock up, I have
chickens for eggs (and for chicken!) and a garden, I have two
freezers,  I buy sacks of whole grain and bags of potatoes.  I buy
whole foods in bulk and therefore save a lot of money since I don't
buy processed crap.  I was spending around $260/month before I went on
low-carb and am spending around $300/month now.

So while it's "more expensive," that doesn't mean a whole heck of a
lot when the amount is $40/month.  I mean, one trip to the
all-you-can-eat Chinese place for my family costs nearly that with
drinks and tip.  So... the "more expensive" cost is equivalent to
eating out once a month - not a big deal really.

On the other hand, if I were working 60-70 hours per week like I was a
few years ago, I'd not be doing all this cooking from scratch.  I'd be
buying Wendy's jr bacon cheeseburgers and throwing away the bun.  It'd
cost quite a bit more.

It depends on how one chooses to live.  I prefer working part-time and
being frugal as I deeply hated corporate America.

I'm spending over $60/month for a family Y membership, which means for
me, exercise is more expensive than low-carb'ing.  ;)

On the other hand, some people just go for walks or weight train at
home and their exercise doesn't cost.  Exercise doesn't *have* to
cost.  Depends on how you choose to do it.

I *like* that it costs me to exercise.  Why?  It's cause I'm cheap,
paradoxically.  I always felt at an all-you-can-eat buffet that I had
to get "my money's worth".  I can use that same thinking to go to the
Y as often as possible.  Spending the money motivates me to *do* it.

It comes down to what works for you.
 
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