Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004
LOOK! Atkins the 2nd most expensive diet to follow--?
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Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 12 Jan 2004 04:37 GMT There is a write up about diets in the national post, a Canadian national newspaper.
The article compares FOUR diets, and the costs per year to follow said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest. Atkins is the 2nd highest!
Before you newbies call me a troll, I follow Atkins, more or less, and I support a low carb diet.
*Canada food guide is essentially the exact same thing as the American food pyramid.
Here goes:
1. Jenny Craig - $49 to join, $130 a week for JC meals, $2960 for groceries Total: $9796/year
What you eat typically: Bkfst - French toast with lite syrup, 1/2 grapefruit, 1 cup non fat milk Snack - Bar or drink, 1 cup canned pears Lunch - chicken sandwich, garden salad, 2 tbsp low fat salad dressing Snack - Jenny Craig cheese curls, 1 cup raw carrots Dinner - chicken fettuccine, 1 cup steamed green beans, 1/2 cup canned mixed fruit
^wow, that is alot of food, isn't it? I do not eat nearly that much in a day.
2. Dr. Atkins $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback Total: $6608/year
What you eat typically: Bkfst - eggs scrambled or fried w/bacon, ham or sausage, decaf coffee or tea Lunch - bacon cheeseburger (no bun), small tossed salad, seltzer water Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consomm?, steak, roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O.
3. Canada Food Guide $5216 in groceries
What you eat typically: Grain - 5-12 servings Veg and fruit - 5-10 servings Dairy - up to 4 servings Meat and alt. - 2-3 servings
4. Protein Power Plan: $194.96 for diet kit (5 booklets, recipes, videotape and four audiotapes), $4811 for food Total: $4979
What you eat typically: Bkfst - veggie and cheese omlette, sausage link, 1/2 cup berries Lunch - chicken salad made with 6-8 oz chicken, served on bed of lettuce, 1/2 tomato sliced Snack - 1 oz peanuts Dinner - butter garlic London broil 6-8 oz steak, 1/2 cup butter cooked carrots, 1/2 cup strawberries
Roger Zoul - 12 Jan 2004 05:01 GMT Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat.
Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:
:: There is a write up about diets in the national post, a Canadian :: national newspaper. :: :: The article compares FOUR diets, and the costs per year to follow :: said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest. :: Atkins is the 2nd highest! ConnieG999 - 12 Jan 2004 06:17 GMT >Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat. I agree. It's only expensive if you let it be so. There are ALWAYS sales on protein items. I personally eat a lot of eggs and tuna because I like them. Meaningless comparisons. And by the way, Jenny Craig's portions are minuscule for the money.
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Saffire - 12 Jan 2004 09:23 GMT > >Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Meaningless comparisons. > And by the way, Jenny Craig's portions are minuscule for the money. I (unsuccessfully) went on Jenny Craig sometime in the early 90s. What I remember most were the trays that the pre-packaged dinners came in. They were 5"x8" trays made of a hard, microwavable plastic. Why do I remember them? Because they were the BEST part about the program! I STILL have 2 trays left. If I had realized how useful they were, I would have saved MORE of them. They're PERFECT for small-medium SNACKS. They're also great for spreading a cream- cheese/flavoring dessert that can then be cut into pieces (6-8 is what I usually go with) when it gets colder and, thus, firmer. It's hard to believe that it originally was intended to hold an entire DINNER, but it's true!
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Luna - 12 Jan 2004 16:55 GMT Totally. When skinless, boneless chicken breasts are on sale for $1.99 a pound or less, I stock up. When ground beef is on sale, I stock up. If you buy in bulk, have an extra big freezer, and look for sales, any diet can be economical.
> Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :: said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest. > :: Atkins is the 2nd highest!
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miss_jaime - 12 Jan 2004 17:16 GMT >Totally. When skinless, boneless chicken breasts are on sale for $1.99 a >pound or less, I stock up. When ground beef is on sale, I stock up. If >you buy in bulk, have an extra big freezer, and look for sales, any diet >can be economical. I do the same and not just because I am on low carb. I also have 2 teenage sons to feed.
Debbie Cusick - 13 Jan 2004 00:37 GMT > Meaningless numbers.....they have no idea what I eat. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :: said diets, this is how they break down, from the highest to lowest. > :: Atkins is the 2nd highest! Saffire - 12 Jan 2004 05:57 GMT > 2. Dr. Atkins > $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consommé, steak, > roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O. Well, at least they included salads, which is a start. But NO dressing? Oh PUH- LEAZE! And no other veggies? Why would I want clear consomme' when I could have a hearty SOUP? Am I sick or something? No snacks? Jenny Craig gets chicken fettucine, but I only get chicken with nothing on it?
I don't know how much to believe them about the other diets since they don't have Atkins right, either.
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jpatti - 12 Jan 2004 12:37 GMT It doesn't make a lot of sense that Protein Power includes the $200 kit rather than just buying the book and yet comes in that much cheaper than Atkins.
Phase 1 of Protein Power is very similar to Atkins induction except it has a few more carbs (30 g vs. 20 g) and is a bit more conscious of fat (half-and-half instead of heavy cream).
I just don't see how it can be that much cheaper to basically just eat a bit more veggies than on Atkins.
ronit - 12 Jan 2004 17:53 GMT Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins $1,383 No more need for Tums & Rolaids -50 No more acne cleansers and creams -250 No more sleeping pills due to fluctuating blood sugar at night -25
Sitting comfortably wearing my size 7 Tommy Hilfigure pants and eating nuts
PRICELESS!!!
------------------------ And another thing, I don't think most followers of Atkins eat the way that was noted in the article. Perhaps that's on induction but when people get to OWL, there's lots stuff.
Penguin - 12 Jan 2004 20:22 GMT > Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins $1,383 > No more need for Tums & Rolaids -50 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that was noted in the article. Perhaps that's on induction but when > people get to OWL, there's lots stuff. LOL!
-Cheers
LCer09 - 12 Jan 2004 23:46 GMT >Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins $1,383 >No more need for Tums & Rolaids -50 >No more acne cleansers and creams -250 >No more sleeping pills due to fluctuating >blood sugar at night -25 Foe me, add not more economy size bottles of Excedrin every month! Yay! (headache free for five weeks and counting)
Saffire - 13 Jan 2004 05:28 GMT > >Difference between Canada Food Guide & Atkins $1,383 > >No more need for Tums & Rolaids -50 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Foe me, add not more economy size bottles of Excedrin every month! Yay! > (headache free for five weeks and counting) No more Immodium or GasX MUCH less acid reducer
 Signature Saffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333
BJ in Texas - 12 Jan 2004 18:49 GMT Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:
> 2. Dr. Atkins > $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with mustard and mayo, clear consomm?, steak, roast, chops, > fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O. Wonder where they come up with this as a typical menu? Sounds closer to an induction menu to me. Menu was probably determined by some loser journalist that read the part about induction and failed to read or understand the rest of the book, (if they read the book at all) the Atkins diet in terms of ongoing weight loss or maintenance.
BJ 232/182/182 - at goal and maintaining for 6 months.
Laureen - 12 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT > Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > BJ > 232/182/182 - at goal and maintaining for 6 months. CRAPOLA!! This WOL is as expensive as you make it. I myself only eat prime rib 6 times a week....... NOT!!! ROFL Laureen
Stephen S - 13 Jan 2004 20:00 GMT In response to Laureen's post:
> CRAPOLA!! This WOL is as expensive as you make it. I myself only eat > prime rib 6 times a week....... NOT!!! ROFL > Laureen Yeah!
With four lobster dinners a week and the 2 daily snacks of shrimp it gets *really* expensive. <G>
The reporter must be figuring in expensive cuts of steak and the more expensive fresh seafood.
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LCer09 - 12 Jan 2004 23:43 GMT > tossed salad sans dressing, eh? Since when?
LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/239/140 & hubby- 310/268/180
Marsha - 13 Jan 2004 00:19 GMT Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:
2. Dr. Atkins
> $6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback > Total: $6608/year [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consommé, steak, > roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O. Horse hockey! Seltzer water? Shrimp cocktail? Steak? I don't personally have any of those on a regular basis. These are reserved as "treats" for me. I have ground beef, more than a "small" tossed salad and other veggies, tuna, pork chops or roast when they are on sale, chicken. All of these are frequently on sale at any one of several local markets and I spend much less than that.
Marsha/Ohio
Dawn Taylor - 13 Jan 2004 00:29 GMT On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:37:47 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_doktersteve@hotmail.com> announced in front of God and everybody:
>2. Dr. Atkins >$6599 for food, $9 for DANDR paperback [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Dinner - shrimp cocktail with mustard and mayo, clear consommé, steak, >roast, chops, fish or fowl, tossed salad sans dressing, diet Jell-O. Damn. All that consommé and shrimp cocktail's really screwing with my budget.
Dawn
DigitalVinyl - 13 Jan 2004 03:30 GMT I can understand why it could be considered costly. All the things that people eat BECAUSE they are cheap fillers (pasta, potato, rice, bread) in meals are removed. You are left eating more meats, fowl or fish(definitely more expensive here). All your meal stretchers are removed. And vegetables aren't always cheap either! DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
Dawn Taylor - 13 Jan 2004 20:08 GMT >I can understand why it could be considered costly. All the things >that people eat BECAUSE they are cheap fillers (pasta, potato, rice, >bread) in meals are removed. You are left eating more meats, fowl or >fish(definitely more expensive here). All your meal stretchers are >removed. And vegetables aren't always cheap either! Vegetables aren't exactly pricey, either. Not compared to, say, lunch at McDonald's or a package of Oreos.
I think whenever something like this calculated -- either in a newspaper article or by someone starting the diet -- people conveniently forget about how much money they ordinarily spend on crap. Yeah, rice, potatoes, bread and pasta are cheap -- but how much money do people spend on fast food several times a week, on chips and cookies and candy and cake? That stuff isn't cheap and it inflates the food budget considerably.
My husband and I spend less money on food since we went low-carb because we a) we cut all that extraneous, unnecessary "fun food" out of our budget and b) we buy meat, chicken and fish on sale then sock it away in the freezer. Cauliflower's expensive this week? Well, we have three or four bags of frozen cauliflower stashed for just such an event. Beef prices are high right now? Good thing we have those cheap steaks we bought in the Mondo Family Pack because they were either mismatched end pieces or about to expire. Ooooh, great sale of cans of tuna -- we'll buy six or eight of 'em!
It makes me crazy to hear how supposedly expensive it is to eat this way. The truth is, if you don't buy six dollar loaves of LC bread, two-dollar snack bars and other expensive, pre-packaged specialty products and you spend a little time looking for bargains on your protein, it's downright frugal.
Dawn
jmk - 14 Jan 2004 15:41 GMT > The truth is, if you don't buy six dollar loaves of LC bread, > two-dollar snack bars and other expensive, pre-packaged specialty > products and you spend a little time looking for bargains on your > protein, it's downright frugal. Good point. Any kind of pre-packaged food -- low-carb or otherwise -- will inflate the figures.
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jpatti - 14 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT > I can understand why it could be considered costly. All the things > that people eat BECAUSE they are cheap fillers (pasta, potato, rice, > bread) in meals are removed. You are left eating more meats, fowl or > fish(definitely more expensive here). All your meal stretchers are > removed. And vegetables aren't always cheap either! > DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) I think that since the average person eats lots of highly-processed crap, going on low-carb if one primairly eats "real food" can be a big budget saver. A lot of folks going on a diet end up eating real food, so save money regardless ofwhat type of diet they're on.
However, if one was *already* primarily cooking from scratch (which I was here... grinding grain by hand to bake bread - can't get much cheaper than that!), then low-carb is more expensive - just cause buying meat, even in bulk and on sale, costs more than buying grain or rice in bulk.
But... let me quantify that. I shop on sale and stock up, I have chickens for eggs (and for chicken!) and a garden, I have two freezers, I buy sacks of whole grain and bags of potatoes. I buy whole foods in bulk and therefore save a lot of money since I don't buy processed crap. I was spending around $260/month before I went on low-carb and am spending around $300/month now.
So while it's "more expensive," that doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot when the amount is $40/month. I mean, one trip to the all-you-can-eat Chinese place for my family costs nearly that with drinks and tip. So... the "more expensive" cost is equivalent to eating out once a month - not a big deal really.
On the other hand, if I were working 60-70 hours per week like I was a few years ago, I'd not be doing all this cooking from scratch. I'd be buying Wendy's jr bacon cheeseburgers and throwing away the bun. It'd cost quite a bit more.
It depends on how one chooses to live. I prefer working part-time and being frugal as I deeply hated corporate America.
I'm spending over $60/month for a family Y membership, which means for me, exercise is more expensive than low-carb'ing. ;)
On the other hand, some people just go for walks or weight train at home and their exercise doesn't cost. Exercise doesn't *have* to cost. Depends on how you choose to do it.
I *like* that it costs me to exercise. Why? It's cause I'm cheap, paradoxically. I always felt at an all-you-can-eat buffet that I had to get "my money's worth". I can use that same thinking to go to the Y as often as possible. Spending the money motivates me to *do* it.
It comes down to what works for you.
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