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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Nosebleeds (may be TMI for some)
This is my third attempt at posting this; I have no idea why my home software won't let me start a thread, but it won't. Over the last few weeks I've been getting increasing numbers of nosebleeds; I think this weekend hit the nadir, I managed two on Friday (one at work and one in the Underground going home) and two on Sunday, one spontaneous while I was happily surfing the web and one when I put my skin medication on. I don't pick my nose in case you were wondering, and definitely not either at work on on the Underground! I'm a bit fed up with this as this has been going on from time to time since November. A doctor at my practice (not my usual GP but one of the others) when I saw him after the one in the swimming pool in December which left me looking like I'd gone ten rounds with Mike Tyson (as in 'her face was a mask of blood') said it was a bacterial nasal infection. He prescribed an antibiotic cream which I had to put up my nostrils on my little fingers. Yes, major 'yuck' there. And it seems to have made no difference whatsoever. I'm going back to my own doctor today to see what he says and try and get a straight answer about what the problem is, and/or a referral to an ear, nose and throat specialist. At least I live in a country with an NHS! What I think is this: I have some dodgy blood vessels which are very close to the surface in my nose. Even closer than most other people. Added to this my blood seems thinner now I low carb than it used to be - it is disctinctly more liquid. It's now liquid in the way that water is liquid rather than (as it used to be) liquid in the way that single cream is liquid. When I last gave blood I was able to fill the bag in about ten minutes rather than the half an hour it had usually taken me, so I'm sure I'm not imagining it. I think that this means that the blood vessels in my nose are more liable to damage than they used to be. I also think that had my blood been this liquid when my blood pressure was 145/85 I might have had even more problems than I do now it's around 129/75. I also think the solution is likely to involve having my nose cauterised. Do people agree? Does anyone else have this problem? Does anyone have any advice? (I do know, after all these weeks, what to do for a nosebleed!) -- Lexin (300/237/182) > Do people agree? Does anyone else have this problem? Does anyone > have any advice? (I do know, after all these weeks, what to do for a > nosebleed!) No real advice. I've gone through times here and there when I've been prone to nosebleeds for a month or two, but then the problem cleared up on it's own. One of those times I'll NEVER forget. I had an orgasm and my nose started to bleed!! I was on TOP and it spontaneously came gushing out!! What a lovely visual THAT must have been ;-) At least *I* was done :-) Oh well, if so inclined, he now has the right to brag that he took me to such passionate heights of delight that I actually got a nosebleed from the sheer bliss of it all ;-) Then there was that year I had to keep explaining to doctors exactly HOW I ended up bruising my tailbone ...  SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 One of those times I'll NEVER forget. I had an orgasm and | my nose started to bleed!! Dos this mean that you no longer have a virgin nose? (Sorry, it was just too easy ... <g>) SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > snip > >Then there was that year I had to keep explaining to doctors exactly HOW I ended >up bruising my tailbone ... I'd like to know. I'm guessing from rough doggy style sex. Right? > Then there was that year I had to keep explaining to doctors exactly HOW I ended > up bruising my tailbone ... I have to ask, though this may be a mistake: how did you bruise your tailbone, Saffire? -- Lexin (300/237/182) > > Then there was that year I had to keep explaining to doctors exactly HOW I ended > up bruising my tailbone ... > > I have to ask, though this may be a mistake: how did you bruise your > tailbone, Saffire? Sex on the edge of a cheap couch ;-) SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 >nosebleeds for a month or two, but then the problem cleared up on it's own. One >of those times I'll NEVER forget. I had an orgasm and my nose started to bleed!! Child, you are TOO much! I read JC der Koenig's posts just to see if he ever says anything different (no) but I *never* know what to expect from yours! Keep up the good work - it's a hoot. Kalish > >nosebleeds for a month or two, but then the problem cleared up on it's own. One > >of those times I'll NEVER forget. I had an orgasm and my nose started to bleed!! > > Child, you are TOO much! I read JC der Koenig's posts just to see if > he ever says anything different (no) but I *never* know what to expect > from yours! Keep up the good work - it's a hoot. Kalish Thank you! What can I say? I have a tendency to be, um, candid ;-) SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 Its nosebleed season Lexin. The heater is on and it dries you out, and you get nosebleeds! Get a humidifier! preesi >Get a humidifier! I'll second this suggestion. I've had nosebleeds all my life and they are kept to a minimum as long as I have the humidifier running in my home during the heating season. The only ones I get now is when I'm too lazy to fill my humidifier for a week during the winter. L. >Its nosebleed season Lexin. The heater is on and it dries you out, and you >get nosebleeds! >Get a humidifier! > >preesi Ridiculous, sweeping advice like this, which includes no medical attention or supervision, is dangerous, callous and downright idiotic. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971110.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > Ridiculous, sweeping advice like this, which includes no medical > attention or supervision, is dangerous, callous and downright idiotic. <yawn > This is my third attempt at posting this; I have no idea why my home > software won't let me start a thread, but it won't. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Lexin > (300/237/182) First, you might want to talk to your dr about it. Then, assuming all is okay, take a supplement that includes vitamin K (this is not potassium). Eat pork and other foods that contain same. My daughter had a lot of nosebleeds when she was a kid, and that got her out of that cycle. SignatureJean B. Update on the nosebleeds (because I know you're all on the edge of your seats). Went to my doctor today - he's very pleased indeed with my progress on my weight loss - and whinged about the problem. He told me to wait until it happened again and then go back to him if the surgery was open and I was close and he'd cauterise it, otherwise to go to the nearest casualty unit and get them to cauterise it. OK, I said. Wandered home (my doctors is within walking distance of my flat) and got changed out of my office drag. Blew my nose. Bad mistake, blood everywhere. Trundles back to doctors (ringing him on mobile on the way) and he takes a look at it. He tries to cauterise it with one of those sticks they use. I get through three, he checked and cauterised what are the normal problem blood vessels in most people, plus another problem he could see and which was bleeding, but I also have a problem very far back in my nose (he says). So he's going to refer me - urgently - to an ear, nose and throat specialist at the nearby hospital and get them to take a gander. He did mutter the words, 'this kind of thing normally needs an operation' which wasn't very hopeful, but we'll see what the ENT specialist says. Meanwhile I will do something about the (lack of) humidity in the flat and get something to moisten my passages as that might be part of the issue. Oh, and the results of my lipid tests came back and all are normal. He didn't tell me what the figures were (they normally won't in the UK) but he was happy with them. And as I said, he's very pleased with my progress with my weight loss. -- Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/237/182) > plus another problem he could see and > which was bleeding, but I also have a problem very far back in my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and get something to moisten my passages as that might be part of the > issue. If you are diagnosed with Chronic Sinusitis this advice may help! I have chronic sinusitis, I was supposed to have surgery last June. But I was too frightened about the possibility of being without taste or smell in case an accident happened, and also the surgery isnt a cure It MAY help but not always. I wanted to try to fix it myself. So I got needle allergy testing and found I was allergic to molds! AAAAHHHH-HA! Thats why the mold based antibiotics were making me feel worse AND not allowing me to get better... So I gave up breads, some cheeses, marmite, I scrubbed my entire house with a heavy duty mask on cause my house has a moist basement issue, No mushrooms! AND from advice on the sinusitis newsgroups I started regularly douching out my nose with a hypertonic saline solution 4-5 times a day (which I have reduced to once daily) taking my choice of allergy meds and using Rhinocort AQ Daily! I am now "cured" in sinusitis terms! Thats defined as "going without an infection for 6-8 months" ! During the winter months I need to douche my nose a little more occasionaly due to dryness in the air that stimulates my sinuses to make MORE mucous to relieve the dryness! TRY curing it yourself FIRST! Surgery should be your LAST resort! There are 3 types of Saline irrigation systems out there that are popular ( I use the Syringe Method): Neti pots http://www.sinucleanse.com/ The Hydromed http://www.hydromedonline.com/ Syringe Method: http://www.camexco-inc.com/ <<Funny video demo! http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/normap/nasalirrig.htm You dont need antibacterial washes unless they are absolutely recommended and needed. Putting that stuff up there is like using a vaginal douche! Your vagina is self cleaning and your nose should be encouraged to be that way too! Not all bacteria is bad and if you put disinfectant solutions in either place it knocks out the good and the bad. BTW- PURE water will sting, but since boogies are saline themselves the saline solution is very soothing and actually feels great! GOOD LUCK... Signaturepreesi ~~~My Mom and her Sister skip cheerily, arm and arm thru the crowded Mall loudly singing "Sisters, Sisters" from the movie 'White Christmas' and you wonder why Im a weirdo?~~~ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/preesi/Portal.htm (All 5 Of My Sites Under One Easy To Use Link) http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Splenda1/petition.html (Sign the Low Carb Splenda Petition-Get Liquid Splenda on the Market!) http://www.petitiononline.com/KeepTWBS/petition.html (A PETITION TO STOP THE CANCELLATION OF THE WAYNE BRADY SHOW) Idiots speak, idiots listen. You have been advised, OP. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >If you are diagnosed with Chronic Sinusitis this advice may help! >I have chronic sinusitis, I was supposed to have surgery last June. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >GOOD LUCK... http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010301.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >Meanwhile I will do something about the (lack of) humidity in the flat >and get something to moisten my passages as that might be part of the >issue. A very easy way to moisturize the dry heated air in your flat would be simply to set an oven-proof container of water on or near your heater. I use a copper bowl on top of my heater. And you can usually find a simple saline nasal spray at the pharmacy. Glad you went to the doctor. It could even be high blood pressure causing it. DON'T go into surgery without that specialist's opinion, though...and maybe even a second one. Good luck! Connie ***************************************************** My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit. >>Meanwhile I will do something about the (lack of) humidity in the flat >>and get something to moisten my passages as that might be part of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to set an oven-proof container of water on or near your heater. I use a copper > bowl on top of my heater. I used to use bread pans filled with water on the radiators, when I lived in New England. And a nice, non-artificial-smelling way to add a nice scent is to add a few cloves, a stick of cinnamon, and a few drops of lemon oil to the water (commercial pot pourri mixtures and oils all make me sneeze). A lot of allergy prone folks in my family have some problems with minor nosebleeds in the dry heating season, but my mother had worse nosebleeds like the OP, that had to be cauterized. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." >A lot of allergy prone folks in my family have some problems with minor >nosebleeds in the dry heating season, but my mother had worse nosebleeds >like the OP, that had to be cauterized. I live in a fairly humid climate. When I go out west, I get several nosebleeds from the dry air. Interesting observation. Years ago I saw the ER doctor give a man cocaine to try to stop his nosebleed. Didn't work, they had to cauterize it. Also when I was a Paramedic I had a patient die from a nosebleed (anterior aneurysm). He had a nosebleed for 2 days before his wife called an ambulance. Yvonne >Also when I was a Paramedic I had a patient die from a nosebleed (anterior >aneurysm). He had a nosebleed for 2 days before his wife called an ambulance. Two days? What on earth was she thinking? When I had a nosebleed in the swimming pool the first aider wanted to call an ambulance after 40 minutes. I talked her out of it and said I'd go to my doctor. -- Lexin (300/231/182) (5'7) LC since 9 June 2003 >So he's >going to refer me - urgently - to an ear, nose and throat specialist at >the nearby hospital and get them to take a gander. He did mutter the >words, 'this kind of thing normally needs an operation' which wasn't >very hopeful, but we'll see what the ENT specialist says. Hey, Preesi, still yawning? She went to the DR. like she should have and you would have her solves ALL her problems with a humidifier. Next time you give (crappy) advice, remind yourself you could be killing someone. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010301.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >Update on the nosebleeds (because I know you're all on the edge of your >seats). >Blew my nose. Bad mistake, blood everywhere. Trundles back to doctors >(ringing him on mobile on the way) and he takes a look at it. He tries [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >words, 'this kind of thing normally needs an operation' which wasn't >very hopeful, but we'll see what the ENT specialist says. Under the circumstances, that it happened again was a good thing. (Forget what I said about blood pressure.) >Meanwhile I will do something about the (lack of) humidity in the flat >and get something to moisten my passages as that might be part of the >issue. Can't hurt. Neither can getting some saline nose spray. It's no fun to use, but it helps keep things moist. >Oh, and the results of my lipid tests came back and all are normal. He >didn't tell me what the figures were (they normally won't in the UK) but >he was happy with them. And as I said, he's very pleased with my >progress with my weight loss. Well, at least that much is going right! Good luck, Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** > Meanwhile I will do something about the (lack of) humidity in the flat > and get something to moisten my passages as that might be part of the issue. Though is sounds a bit gross, I've found that KY jelly works really well. Put a bit in each nostril and then inhale to move it deeper into the nasal passages. Its water soluble and odorless, unlike Vaseline which is greasy and smells. I used to get nosebleeds from dry airplane air and this eliminated them. Though your problem sounds much more severe it still might help. Mary 215/145/164 Try taking an Iron supplement. Andi I also used to have a lot of nosebleeds when it got cold and dry. I had three on my wedding day alone. I did finally have it cauterized and haven't had a nosebleed since. That was about 16 years ago. I still second the suggestion that you get a humidifier before going the cauterization route. Vitamin K might be helpful, I don't know. You might also try some vitamin C with bioflavenoids for quicker blood clotting. Also, are you taking vitamin E? That can increase bleeding, so be careful you aren't taking too much of that. Rebecca > This is my third attempt at posting this; I have no idea why my home > software won't let me start a thread, but it won't. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Lexin > (300/237/182) Its very interesting to read all the posts on this. My 11 year old son has had some serious nosebleed problems in the past. The last episode it was a week straight, two to three nosebleeds a day. Had to go get him from school early couple times, when his nose would not stop bleeding within a couple hours. Have taken him to the ER for it too. They put some sort of petroleum jelly in it. He has been referred out to a ear/nose/throat specialist. Havn't had the chance to get him there yet. Got info from the docs and ER about how to stop one the best way. > What I think is this: I have some dodgy blood vessels which are very > close to the surface in my nose. Even closer than most other people. I think so. I'm genetically inclined to nosebleeds. My father still gets one per year or so. I'm down to a couple per year. When I was a teenager they were monthly, glad they've tapered off. > I also think that had my blood been this liquid when my > blood pressure was 145/85 I might have had even more problems than I > do now it's around 129/75. Going on Atkins reduced my BP to normal range and it has stayed there ever since. Standard stuff for Atkins. But it has not reduced the number of nosebleeds. Still 1-2 per year. So I am inclined to suspect the blood vessels not the liquid in my case. > I also think the solution is likely to > involve having my nose cauterised. Certainly worth a try. It was done on me when I was in elementary school and it didn't help, but you don't appear to have the genetic history of nosebleeds I do. It failed for my father when he was a kid, too. > Does anyone have any advice? (I do know, after all these weeks, > what to do for a nosebleed!) Direct pressure on the nose to seal it and push on the source. None of this leaning back crap that folks want you to do. That jusr causes the blood to flow down the throw and flow longer. >What I think is this: I have some dodgy blood vessels which are very >close to the surface in my nose. Even closer than most other people. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >do now it's around 129/75. I also think the solution is likely to >involve having my nose cauterised. Before you do anything rash, talk to an Ear, Nose, and Throat doctor. Get a referal from you GP. Nose bleeds can be a symptom of nasal polyps (ask me how I know), but they can also be a symptom of high blood pressure. >Do people agree? Does anyone else have this problem? Yes, on and off. I'm going in for CT scan of my nasal passages at the end of this month. >Does anyone >have any advice? (I do know, after all these weeks, what to do for a >nosebleed!) Just keep after your medical professionals. And good luck, Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** > What I think is this: I have some dodgy blood vessels which are very > close to the surface in my nose. Even closer than most other people. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bag in about ten minutes rather than the half an hour it had usually > taken me, so I'm sure I'm not imagining it. ALSO!!!! Something VERY important! If you get nosebleeds very easily your preferred painreliever should be Tylenol, not aspirin or Ibuprofen or Naproxen sodium. I cannot take anything but Tylenol due to horrible nosebleeds as a child. I once tried Ibuprofen when I was 27 and woke up with my pillow totally covered in blood and it pouring from my nose. Ive had all these same problems all my life. Unfortunately I cant use a humidifier in my house cause it stirs up molds which make my allergies worse. preesi > Unfortunately I cant use a humidifier in my house cause it stirs up molds > which make my allergies worse. Try a hot vaporizer, they don't grow mold. They can clog up with limescale if you have hard water, though, just like a coffeemaker. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." > > Unfortunately I cant use a humidifier in my house cause it stirs up molds > > which make my allergies worse. > > Try a hot vaporizer, they don't grow mold. They can clog up with > limescale if you have hard water, though, just like a coffeemaker. I think she means the dampness fosters mold growing on variou surfaces around the house. That's why *I* don't use them. 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