You're right about that. There is a huge difference. If I ate till I was
full (mentally) I'd never quit eating. :-)

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Type 2, no meds for now.

True dat. In my mind, though, full doesn't equate stuffed...full equals
satisfied. It's the same difference.

JBA

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you know, my portions are so much smaller now after doing Atkin's..
Even if I go out for lunch, and have a carb meal once a month..  I'd
get a big burger and a salad, and in the old days, plow the whole
thing back.. Now, I'll eat half the burger and the salad, and feel
satisfied.. I just don't eat as much as I used to.

I haven't seen this.   Dr. Atkins preaches moderation, with the only
exception I'm aware of being during his two-week induction period.

I really am sorry that it's not working for you, but your lack of success
doesn't invalidate the successes of thousands of people (including me). It
must be terribly frustrating to be stalled for that long.  What are you
eating now, Wysong?  Have you stuck with the low-carb plan even through the
frustration? How have you been handling it?

I found recently  that I'm one of those insulin-resistant people who has to
count calories as well as carbs.  Certainly this is not the way it is for
everybody (before everybody starts screaming "starvation mode" and
"metabolism shutdown" <g>), but I think we all have to find what works best
for us.  Our bodies all work the same, but each is an individual also.

I had not lost weight for the past year; even gained some.  Then I reduced
my calories last month and lowered my carbs even more to accommodate my
newly diagnosed diabetes, and lo and behold ... I started losing like crazy
again!

A not-so-famous man once said "eat less, exercise more."

That's how this WOE works. But then again, YMMV. ;)

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clearly, ma'am, you're a freak.  you should just give up and stay fat.
you're going to die anyhow, so why worry about it?

Me too.   On Atkins, I consumed at least 1000 more calories a day and
steadily lost weight over 3 months.   But I didn't cheat on the carbs
by eating more salads and veges than Atkins allowed on induction.  And
I've never had a low carb candy bar.
PJ

PJ

Some things a low fat dieter

This is untrue.  For most people, exactly the opposite is true.  Fat is
metabolized much more slowly than carbohyrates' tjos [revemts the insulin
spikes and drops associated with eating sugars and starches.  I frequently
eat 2 oz of cheese for lunch along with 10 medium-sized olives, and feel
satiated all afternoon until dinner.  When ost [people eat starches, they
are metabolized rapidly and get hungry again within  1 or 2 hours when the
insulin drops.

Where does Atkins sy to limit your calories to <1400/day?  This would be
about right for you if your current weight is around 140 pounds.  If this is
true, you will lose slowly on any diet because you are close to your goal
weight.  You rate of loss on any "diet" depends on several factors,
including your current weight,  exercise (building muscle can cause the
scales not to move very fast), level of committment and whether or not you
cheat.  You're right, a  net loss f 4.5 pounds in the first 2.5  months on
Atkins  is exceptionally small.  Most people lose this much rapidly in the
frst few days.  Have you posted your menues so they might be analyzed to see
where you are making you rmistakes?

It is possible that Atkins just isn't for you.  There are many people who
just aren't willing to let go of the old "carbs-are-good-fat-is-bad" mantra,
and these will never succeed in low-carb eating.  They invariably think that
something is bad for them so they don't eat what they should; or think that
it's ok to eat something carby (like the 2 oz whole grain bun) so they eat
that instead of 2 oz of cheese -- then wonder why Atkins doesn't work for
them.

Good luck to you; i wish you well in your weight loss whatever plan you
choose.

Well, I cannot speak for whole grains and unrefined sugars (I can hardly
remember how thay taste :), but eating some raw vegatables makes me
hungry within minutes - even if I am not hungry before.

OTOH, I believe that LC is not for everybody. YMMV.

Mirek

it sounds to me like you're not eating enough, especially if you're
doing that much exercise.  you should also consider upping your carbs.
atkins isn't about staying at less than 20g of carbs forever.  

also, the less you have to lose, the longer it takes.

maybe you should be eating more calories? When I was tracking through
fit day, I was usually eating anywhere from 2,500 to 3,000 a day, and
with exercise 4 to 6 times a week, maintained steady weight loss

art

lc 6/2/03
6'3"
280/235/235
14% bf

Keeping the body busy digesting stuff that will cause blood sugar swings
will make you hungry.

who knows. You might try to gain a better understanding of how LC works.
Maybe that will allow you some adjustments.  You might try increasing
calories a bit, right now you're at about 7x bodyweight (shoot for 9 or 10).
Also, upping carbs may help, too.

Judy, I am new to this forum, but not to LC. My early days of LC'ing,
I came off of a low fat diet weighing almost 190 lbs. What I found was
a bit of a difficult transition in that I wasn't getting enough
calories. I was keeping my carb count low, but also my calorie count.
So, I upped my calories to about 2000 a day and maintained 20 - 25 net
carbs. Not only was I no longer hungry, the pounds began to fall off.

Atkins
187/139/140

Judy wrote: >I think I am one that the LC is not working for.  I have been
faithfully

Judy,
 I agree with those who suggest that you're probably not eating enough.It's
the first thing to try,anyway.
 Also,your comment about the 2 oz of chesse vs a bun leads me to believe
you're hungry. :)
 I'd try around 2000-2200 calories,and don't skimp on fats--olive oil,butter.
Spend some carbs on avocados,cream cheese,macadamia nuts,etc.
This is assuming you're getting most of your carbs from vegetables.
I'd give that 2 or 3 weeks and see what happens.
You can eat 20 gms a day of carbs,by the way.I'm as metabolically resistant as
they come,and I can lose on 20 a day.
Chances are you could up the carbs,too,but I personally would wait because I
like to change only one thing at a time.It makes figuring things out easier.
But it's entirely possible that you'll lose better at 25,30,35 or more
carbs/day.
Good luck,
Dave

There was an article in our local paper which included the results of
a study on exercise and what people ate.  The main thrust was to
examine whether people who began to exercise also changed what they
ate, but it included an interesting bit on how much people might be
willing to fool themselves.

People in the study were keeping "food diaries" of what they ate, and
at various times during the study the actual amounts were also being
measured and recorded by outside observers.

On the average, men under-reported what they ate by 200 calories per
day.  On the average, women under-reported what they ate by 700
calories per day.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/7698098.htm

These are just averages - undoubtedly some people reported accurately,
while others under-reported by even higher amounts.  But it's
something to keep in mind.  I know that when I "eyeball" amounts I'm
not nearly as accurate as when I actually measure them.