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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Atkins and no aspartame sweetner
Hi, I'm sure this has been discussed at length, however I'm trying to figure out why the newer Atkins books suggest staying away from equal etc. and the older books don't. The older books suggest diet rootbeer and cream as a snack and/or diet jello. These items do contain aspartame. Has anyone really had any problems with equal on the diet? thanks Michelle > Hi, > I'm sure this has been discussed at length, however I'm trying to figure out > why the newer Atkins books suggest staying away from equal etc. and the older > books don't. The older books suggest diet rootbeer and cream as a snack and/or > diet jello. These items do contain aspartame. Has anyone really had any > problems with equal on the diet? thanks Michelle -Because those sweeters can stall some people's weight loss -Because some people find that they spike glucose even though they have no sugar in them, this makes them hungry. -Because some tests show that they may cause long term harm, however i do not worry about such tests, and i use them liberally, as well as most adults i know. >-Because those sweeters can stall some people's weight loss What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. >-Because some tests show that they may cause long term harm, however i do >not worry about such tests, and i use them liberally, as well as most adults >i know. Some tests show testicular cancer in mice. Which tests do you ignore and why? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of >aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. I'm not sure what a "thermodynamic process" is but I can tell you that I've been drinking Diet Coke/Pepsi all my life and don't mind the taste at all. I always thought Low Cal sweetners were better then Sugar since they didn't have the calories. I can tell you for sure that Aspertame stalls me like crazy! If I have a Diet Coke or Pepsi, I might as well not even look at the scale the next morning. There is no way that it will have decreased. I know this is a YMMV thing but this is so true for me. Breaking the habit of drinking these is the hard part for me. I get a craving for drinks more then I do for food. Mike does diet rite affect you the same way? ... spenda instead of aspertame? Placid > >What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of > >aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mike > does diet rite affect you the same way? ... spenda instead of aspertame? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Mike I drink about 3 diet rite colas per day and it does not stall me whatsoever. What it does do, however, is increase my craving for more and more. I would rather drink lots of diet rite than cheat on food but I count each drink as 1 carb. I am a liquid junkie (I have to watch my mixed drinks as well). -Cheers Splenda is made from sugar. They join the molecules in sugar with chloride (I think) and somehow, that affects the carbs so that the body does not metabolize them. Splenda is the only sweetener I use in cooking since I heard that it turns to Formaldehyde at about 96 degrees. I am not sure that is true, but I think since there is a good alternative, better safe than sorry. You can't avoid Nutrasweet all together, but when you have a choice, I would choose Splenda. Soon, all of the soft drink companies will offer a line of drinks with Splenda. Diet Rite is great, but is not available everywhere. I traveled on my last job and I quickly learned to take a supply with me. I am getting into tea sweetened with Splenda. Earl Grey and Green Tea and very good alternatives and have some health benefits. Any thoughts on Tea? > > does diet rite affect you the same way? ... spenda instead of aspertame? > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -Cheers CORRECTION!!! Sorry Splenda is the only sweetener I use in cooking since I heard that Aspertame turns to Formaldehyde at about 96 degrees. I am not sure that is true, but I think since there is a good alternative, better safe than sorry. About Aspartame, Not true. It is typical Internet BS like antifreeze for smelly armits.... Check CDC and FDA - it is linked from nutrasweet.com if it were true, then when it enters your 98.6 degF body, what will happen? http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp > CORRECTION!!! Sorry > Splenda is the only sweetener I use in cooking since I heard that Aspertame > turns to Formaldehyde at about 96 degrees. I am not sure that is true, but > I think since there is a good alternative, better safe than sorry. > if it were true, then when it enters your 98.6 degF body, what will happen? Well, that is my point, if it is true, then that would be a problem, wouldn't it? duh! I am a very large skeptic when it comes to internet post and e-mails, but to date, including your reply, I haven't heard anyone deny or reverse this in any way. BTW, I didn't hear about it originally from the net, but from a doctor. As for the link you posted, I went to it and to all the links that it had and no where did I see the issue of Formaldehyde addressed, other than the example of the "Urban Legend". My post said nothing about all the things that they are trying to link it too, just that it turned to Formaldehyde, which, if true would be a problem in its self. Also, as I stated before (did you even read it?), I am not sure if it is true, just that I am being "better safe than sorry". If you want to eat it, go ahead. For your sake, I hope that it is not true. > Not true. It is typical Internet BS like antifreeze for smelly armits.... > Check CDC and FDA - it is linked from nutrasweet.com Hahaha, yes, lets ask the fox about what is going on inside the chicken coop. So did you actually search for info on FDA.gov or CDC? > > if it were true, then when it enters your 98.6 degF body, what will > happen? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Hahaha, yes, lets ask the fox about what is going on inside the chicken > coop. http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/aspartame.shtml http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/methanol.html http://suewidemark.freeservers.com/aspartame-formaldhyde.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9 714421&dopt=Abstract > So did you actually search for info on FDA.gov or CDC? Yes, I did, and I also did a Google search for aspartame and formaldhyde, and all of these links were on the first page. So, thank you. Now I know I am removing aspartame from my diet completely. Your insistance that I search these sites made me search deeper, past the government sites and look what I found. The FDA and the CDC are always the last to move on something like this. I suggest you get your info and news from somewhere other than the government run agencies. The FDA has been bought, and the CDC are just idiots and MD's that couldn't make it in the real world. Thanks again. Good points about government info, etc, but you can't believe every urban legend either. I will look more into it. But There are some obvious inconsistencied with the Formaldehyde theory.... I will check out your links shown below. FYI: It is my belief that we should not really use sweeteners. In fact, if you lay off of them long enough, you will find they are more potent in smaller quantities than you needed before. :) > http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/aspartame.shtml > http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html > http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/methanol.html > http://suewidemark.freeservers.com/aspartame-formaldhyde.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9 714421&dopt=Abstract > > So did you actually search for info on FDA.gov or CDC? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the government run agencies. The FDA has been bought, and the CDC are just > idiots and MD's that couldn't make it in the real world. Thanks again. Good point. I heard about an all natural herb that is supposed to be as sweet or sweeter than sugar. Anyone with info on that? I will post if I find any, it may be a better alternative than even Splenda > FYI: It is my belief that we should not really use sweeteners. In fact, if > you lay off of them long enough, you will find they are more potent in > smaller quantities than you needed before. >Good point. I heard about an all natural herb that is supposed to be as >sweet or sweeter than sugar. Anyone with info on that? I will post if I >find any, it may be a better alternative than even Splenda I think you may be referring to "Stevia". I know it's a natural sweetener, but admit to knowing nothing more than that, except that it's sometimes used in homeopathic lip balms. Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me. "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved package, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting, *GERONIMO!*" > Good point. I heard about an all natural herb that is supposed to be as > sweet or sweeter than sugar. Anyone with info on that? I will post if I > find any, it may be a better alternative than even Splenda "Natural" is a meaningless sales term that does not mean "safe" or "good." Hemlock is perfectly natural, it'll kill you. Ammonia and feces are natural, but I don't think you want to eat them. That said, you're asking about stevia. I've posted at length many times on the pros and cons of stevia, the different forms, and which taste like crap and which don't, etc. Google this group on it, it's late and I don't feel like hunting it all up again. I've posted on the specifics of why the European equivalent to the FDA rejected stevia for questionable safety. The "natural" form tastes really awful, anything but highly refined stevia extracts are pretty much useless, but you can count on people selling the highly processed forms to call them "natural." I do use sometimes use stevia along with Splenda, and occasionally Acesulfame-K and liquid saccharin. Stevia has more of a sweet aftertaste than a sweet taste, so it's better combined with another sweetener than used alone.  Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." "Studies of aspartame in the peer reviewed medical literature were surveyed for funding source and study outcome. Of the 166 studies felt to have relevance for questions of human safety, 74 had Nutrasweet® industry related funding and 92 were independently funded. One hundred percent of the industry funded research attested to aspartame's safety, whereas 92% of the independently funded research identified a problem." http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html > Good points about government info, etc, but you can't believe every urban > legend either. I will look more into it. But There are some obvious [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >>idiots and MD's that couldn't make it in the real world. Thanks again. Signaturejmk in NC > "Studies of aspartame in the peer reviewed medical literature were > surveyed for funding source and study outcome. Of the 166 studies felt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html Very interesting! Thanks! I'd like to see a similar breakdown for other sweeteners. SignatureJean B. You may also want to check out this site which address the aspartame's negative claims and provides links to other relevant sites. http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/nutrasweet.html >http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/aspartame.shtml >http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >the government run agencies. The FDA has been bought, and the CDC are just >idiots and MD's that couldn't make it in the real world. Thanks again. Whenever I hear claims on anything, I go to Quackwatch to help check out the validity of those claims. http://www.quackwatch.org/index.html >>What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of >>aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. >I can tell you for sure that Aspertame stalls me like crazy! If I >have a Diet Coke or Pepsi, I might as well not even look at the scale >the next morning. There is no way that it will have decreased. There is no way aspartame could be accessed as having stalled you on such short notice. How do you know for sure you were going to lose any weight that day anyway with water inflow/outflow, in itself, capable of adding several pounds +/- to your morning weight? I don't buy into much of this "stall" junk anyway. Losing weight is not a linear process no matter how we would wish it to be. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. In article <hlra0098hgsfoblihjtr45nof05dpvgp6h@4ax.com>, > I don't buy into much of this "stall" junk anyway. Losing weight is > not a linear process no matter how we would wish it to be. I agree with that. I think it's nearly impossible to link a "stall" with a particular food. "Stalls" (and people use this term incorrectly, sometimes meaning they didn't lose for just one day) can happen for all sorts of reasons, and just because you drank a diet coke the previous day doesn't mean it had anything to do with it. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. >> I don't buy into much of this "stall" junk anyway. Losing weight is >> not a linear process no matter how we would wish it to be. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >reasons, and just because you drank a diet coke the previous day doesn't >mean it had anything to do with it. "Stalls" are an excuse. "I drank a <fill in> and t stalled me!" Bullshit, You're eating too much. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>>What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of >>>aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I don't buy into much of this "stall" junk anyway. Losing weight is >not a linear process no matter how we would wish it to be. In the Heller books, they talk about chewing gum (sugarless or not) causes insulin levels to rise. SInce Atkins is about controlling insulin levels, anything that messes with them can disrupt the diet's effect. If merely chewing gum can trigger the body to release insulin, why would if hard to believe that the body might react when it consumes something that tastes as sweet as sugar? While I wouldn't trust one-day's numbers,if I had a diet cola every day and saw no weight during a week, then removed the diet cola and the weight gain restarted I'd know that it was hurting my efforts. Whether that was because the cola itself has a metabolic effect or because the sweetness triggered higher hunger levels and I consumed more for that week. Either way-- diet cola would be ID'd as a trigger for "stalling" success on a diet. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) >>>What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of >>>aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html >Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Stall = "Excuse for over eating" Obsidian >>I don't buy into much of this "stall" junk anyway. Losing weight is >>not a linear process no matter how we would wish it to be. >Stall = "Excuse for over eating" Therein lies the truth. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >-Because those sweeters can stall some people's weight loss > > What an amazing chemical this must be. All by its lonesome, a drop of > aspartame here or there shuts down the entire thermodynamic process. You're an idiot. I hope the OP of this thread knows this. > Hi, > I'm sure this has been discussed at length, however I'm trying to figure out > why the newer Atkins books suggest staying away from equal etc. and the older > books don't. The older books suggest diet rootbeer and cream as a snack and/or > diet jello. These items do contain aspartame. Has anyone really had any > problems with equal on the diet? thanks Michelle i use all the sweeteners depending on what I am cooking. Equal like any other sweetener will get argued about from different people. I like it, I use it. if it agrees with your tastes, use it. They use to argue about saccharin being bad, well if I was fed 20 pounds of it a day, I would fall ill too! Myway >Hi, >I'm sure this has been discussed at length, however I'm trying to figure out >why the newer Atkins books suggest staying away from equal etc. and the older >books don't. The older books suggest diet rootbeer and cream as a snack and/or >diet jello. These items do contain aspartame. Has anyone really had any >problems with equal on the diet? thanks Michelle In the 1999 version of his book he hints at grass-roots complaints about reactions to Nutrasweet that the FDA did not find when evaluating it before it could be consumed by the public (I've read separately that Nutrasweet had one of the quickest FDA approval's in history, and some believe it was just one of many signs that the FDA is for sale.) I've known two people who had drastic reactions to Nutrasweet, they felt sick, nausea, weak and passed out. In the book he discourges Nutrasweet specifically because of risks to your general health and the affect it may have on weight loss. You may have a reaction to any artificial sweetners. Tasting something so sweet may trigger cravings, or stall weight loss. The Heller's (Carb Addicts Diet) recommend avoiding them because theysometimes cause the body to respond as if it had consumed sugars. Atkins suggested limiting aspartame (3 packets a day) but felt saccarine, sucralose, cyclamate, & aceulfame-K were okay. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > Hi, > I'm sure this has been discussed at length, however I'm trying to figure out > why the newer Atkins books suggest staying away from equal etc. and the older > books don't. The older books suggest diet rootbeer and cream as a snack and/or > diet jello. These items do contain aspartame. Has anyone really had any > problems with equal on the diet? thanks Michelle Lots of people are allergic to Aspartame, the main ingredient in Equal |
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