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Jill  Starphyre - 15 Jan 2004 00:01 GMT
I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
get enough carbs because you just aren't hungry? That is what it has
been like the past 2 days.
I make sure I drink at least 64oz of water daily, sometimes more.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!!

Jill
Michigan
1/5/04
185/174/135
Frank Lynch - 15 Jan 2004 00:23 GMT
>I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
>question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
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>Any suggestions?
>Thanks!!

Are you eating vegetables? (You should be...) Vegetables will not only
supply your carbs, but also some essential minerals.  Don't eat meat
and cheese all the time, work in a salad. That will get you your
carbs.

Frank Lynch
The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
http://www.samueljohnson.com/
Jarkat2002 - 15 Jan 2004 00:24 GMT
>Any suggestions?

Stay with it .. it's working for you :)
~Kat

"I think I would like to call myself 'the girl who wanted to be God'.  Yet if I
were not in this body, where would I be--perhaps I am destined to be classified
and qualified.  But, oh, I cry out aginst it." --Sylvia Plath
PieNtheSky32 - 15 Jan 2004 00:54 GMT
I think it sounds like it's working perfectly and I wouldnt change a thing.
Great job on the fast start and hopefully the pounds will continue to drop
off.
I restarted Atkins 2.5 weeks ago and the pounds are falling off and I have
no appetite or cravings.  That's when  I know I'm doing it correctly and I
have the power to keep on going.
Good luck!
~*~Pie~*~
254/seen 195/211.5/150

> I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
> question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
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> 1/5/04
> 185/174/135
Duane Storey - 15 Jan 2004 02:57 GMT
If you mean *food*, then yes, I sometimes just eat because I know I
should, not really because I'm hungry.. If you mean *carbs*, then you
probably dont' realize that the 20g is a *maximum* -- you don't have
to eat 20g every day (although you probably should be pretty close if
you're eating salads and stuff).

Duane

> I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
> question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
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> 1/5/04
> 185/174/135
norsk - 15 Jan 2004 06:11 GMT
I'm 14 days in (yup, started on New Years), and I'm going through the same
thing. I'm eating because the book says to not go too long without
eating...but I'm really not hungry. I manage to get close to 20g carbs with
my salads n stuff....but I'm actually quite low on the calories side of the
house. I'm around 280...but am rarely getting over 1800 calories a day.

--
Hans Storoy
> I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
> question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
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> 1/5/04
> 185/174/135
jpatti - 15 Jan 2004 15:19 GMT
> I'm 14 days in (yup, started on New Years), and I'm going through the same
> thing. I'm eating because the book says to not go too long without
> eating...but I'm really not hungry. I manage to get close to 20g carbs with
> my salads n stuff....but I'm actually quite low on the calories side of the
> house. I'm around 280...but am rarely getting over 1800 calories a day.

I started when you did, well.. a little early as I was grocery
shopping and a rotisserrie chicken and salad bar looked better than my
planned "last meal" of pasta...

Anyways, I am eating like crazy.  I am not hungry, but I have intense
cravings for what I can't eat, so am filling up on what I can over and
over again.
Luna - 15 Jan 2004 17:39 GMT
> > I'm 14 days in (yup, started on New Years), and I'm going through the same
> > thing. I'm eating because the book says to not go too long without
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> cravings for what I can't eat, so am filling up on what I can over and
> over again.

Eventually the cravings should go away.  They do for most people, they did
for me. And I also find that on some days my appetite is huge, some days it
is non-existant.  It all seems to balance out over the course of a week
though.

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Sprgtime - 15 Jan 2004 06:17 GMT
> I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
> question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks!!

I haven't felt hungry since my 3rd day of induction.
I do make sure to eat breakfast each day, mostly so I can take my
multivitamin.
This morning I had one egg and one sausage, and a salad with tomatoes,
cucumber, different kinds of lettuce, and sprinkled cheese.
I ate that around 8am?
I drink water throughout the day, usually about 128 ounces.
I did not eat again until 8pm.  Didn't feel very hungry.  Had some broccoli
and cheese and 6 ounces of salmon.

I'm new to this low-carb lifestyle.  I didn't eat much before LC, but I find
I eat even less now.  I figure... as long as I'm not hungry, why bother,
right?  I'm pleased that I have lost 8 lbs during induction.

--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
250/242/170
norsk - 15 Jan 2004 06:23 GMT
> > I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
> > question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
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> LC since 1/1/04
> 250/242/170

Be careful eating like that. You're going to put your body into starvation
mode. It will start holding onto all the body fat because it thinks it might
not be getting enough food to sustain you. Atkins specifically says not to
go more than 6 waking hours without eating.
http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-325810.html

Norsk
JC Der Koenig - 15 Jan 2004 11:53 GMT
> > > I am on day 9 of induction and have lost 11 pounds so far, but what my
> > > question is, is there anyone else who has to make themselves eat to
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> go more than 6 waking hours without eating.
> http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-325810.html

If you consistently exercise, then the above is totally false.
Sprgtime - 15 Jan 2004 14:45 GMT
"JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message news:pbvNb.8053
> > "Sprgtime" <no.spam@wanted.here> wrote in message
> > > "Jill Starphyre" <anuci@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> If you consistently exercise, then the above is totally false.

Really?  Good.
I do have a physical job.  Even if I don't add on exercise to my routine, at
work alone I walk at LEAST 2 miles a day, and do lifting there.  I love that
I don't have a sit down all day desk job, because I need movement.

I could perhaps eat a slim jim four hours into my work schedule.   Then I'd
have something instead of a long gap between my two meals each day. Would
that really make a difference?
One of the reasons I go a long gap between meals is that I don't get a lunch
break.  I also work around a lot of chemicals, so it's not like I can snack
at my desk throughout the day.

Spring
norsk - 15 Jan 2004 19:23 GMT
> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message news:pbvNb.8053
> > > "Sprgtime" <no.spam@wanted.here> wrote in message
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>
> Spring

Consider a small bag of nuts. They are great for you ( in moderation ) and
should be easy to keep with you. That would be MUCH better for you than a
Slim Jim, which is loaded with nitrates.

Norsk
JC Der Koenig - 16 Jan 2004 02:16 GMT
> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message news:pbvNb.8053
> > > "Sprgtime" <no.spam@wanted.here> wrote in message
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>
> Spring

I don't eat breakfast or lunch at all during the weekdays, and I have
consistent weightloss. An active lifestyle elevates the metabolism to a
certain degree. If you're not hungry, don't eat. And don't believe fat
people who say you have to eat. They have an agenda.
may - 16 Jan 2004 09:22 GMT
>> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message news:pbvNb.8053
>> > > "Sprgtime" <no.spam@wanted.here> wrote in message
>> > > > "Jill Starphyre" <anuci@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> > > Be careful eating like that. You're going to put your body into
>> starvation
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>certain degree. If you're not hungry, don't eat. And don't believe fat
>people who say you have to eat. They have an agenda.

I don't have an agenda, but I have to jump in here and say  that for
some of us yes I think we *do* have to eat.
I have pretty much never eaten breakfast or lunch in my life until
the last few months on this WOE, and I never *thought* I was hungry.
I lost tons of weight as a girl fasting, quick, easily; carried it
into my twenties after each baby, carried it into my thirties though
it no longer worked and began to sometimes lead to binging..spent the
next few years not eating for a day or two, or eating once a day and
voila made it from 120 to 250 with no idea of whether I was hungry and
being unable to lose on a 1200 calorie a day diet with a pretty damn
active lifestyle.
I think maybe for some people- I know I am one- a good part of how we
got fat is indeed tied in with not eating for too long; and many of us
don't know easily when we are hungry and/or have learned to ignore
what "normal" eaters would know to be hunger.   I guess someone else
could put in all the scientific explanations about fasting and blood
sugar and whatnot but for me following  the every six waking hour
guideline has changed my world for the better. I have a very active
standing lifting constantly running job. (meat packer-great to get my
lc food at cost but hard work :P)  I am "not a breakfast eater" and I
get enough of a break for a smoke or lunch so being a smoker duh I
choose that. Since December I have simply made it a rule that I *will*
put something in before work besides coffee and I *will* have
something for "lunch"- for me its a can of carborite while I am
working. I no longer binge. I no longer feel icky in the afternoon,
and I like to get up earlier.   I am actually starting to be aware of
feeling  "real" hunger lately (not wanting something to eat)  and have
become aware as well of having had enough  (not being full :P) I have
lost 21 pounds too, which at this point is a freaking miracle.  YMMV
Maybe one size doesn't fit all

         May
JC Der Koenig - 16 Jan 2004 12:05 GMT
> >> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message news:pbvNb.8053
> >> > > "Sprgtime" <no.spam@wanted.here> wrote in message
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>
>           May

I had a soldier working for me who used to whine, "I have to eat or I get a
headache". Sorry excuse for a fat f.ck he was. We used to call him Hog Neck.
Why is it that so many fat a.ses find "reasons" why they have to eat so
much? It's their agenda to find a way to rationalize why they have to stay
fat by eating so much.
Luna - 16 Jan 2004 16:43 GMT
> I had a soldier working for me who used to whine, "I have to eat or I get a
> headache". Sorry excuse for a fat f.ck he was. We used to call him Hog Neck.
> Why is it that so many fat a.ses find "reasons" why they have to eat so
> much? It's their agenda to find a way to rationalize why they have to stay
> fat by eating so much.

What do you mean by "so much?"  Do you mean "too much?" Because you can eat
breakfast, lunch, and dinner without eating too much.  I'm glad you found a
way of eating that works for you, but for me, and I'm sure for at least
some other people here, eating small meals throughout the day keeps my
energy level more steady, and prevents the ravenously hungry state in which
it becomes much more of a struggle for me to make healthy choices.  If I
wait all day to eat, which I do sometimes when life gets crazy, then by the
time I have time to eat, I feel sick and weak.  Then I'm likely to eat a
huge meal, and feel groggy and bloated afterwards.  I'm all for willpower
to get you through the tough times, but I'm not interested in imposing
tough times on myself if I don't have to.

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JC Der Koenig - 17 Jan 2004 03:51 GMT
> > I had a soldier working for me who used to whine, "I have to eat or I get a
> > headache". Sorry excuse for a fat f.ck he was. We used to call him Hog Neck.
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> to get you through the tough times, but I'm not interested in imposing
> tough times on myself if I don't have to.

Sick and weak from missing a meal or two.

It's a wonder that the human race has survived. Or at least your branch of
it.
Luna - 17 Jan 2004 05:38 GMT
> > > I had a soldier working for me who used to whine, "I have to eat or I
> get a
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> It's a wonder that the human race has survived. Or at least your branch of
> it.

It may be more pyschological than physical, but the growling in my stomach
is probably purely physical.  I don't like it, and I don't have to tolerate
it in order to lose weight, so why should I?

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JC Der Koenig - 17 Jan 2004 05:59 GMT
> > > > I had a soldier working for me who used to whine, "I have to eat or I
> > get a
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> is probably purely physical.  I don't like it, and I don't have to tolerate
> it in order to lose weight, so why should I?

I'm sure you've imposed the same limits on your education.
Luna - 17 Jan 2004 07:16 GMT
> > It may be more pyschological than physical, but the growling in my stomach
> > is probably purely physical.  I don't like it, and I don't have to
> tolerate
> > it in order to lose weight, so why should I?
>
> I'm sure you've imposed the same limits on your education.

Huh? Does not compute.  Oh, you mean if I can get a good job without
another degree, then why go back to school?  No, it's not the same, not the
same at all.  I like school, I like educating myself outside of school as
well, for its own sake, whether it leads to a better job or not.  I don't
like not eating all day for its own sake.  

It reminds me too much of my crazy, desperate starvation diets of my
teenage years.  Not a happy time, not a mentally healthy time.  Cycles of
starving (well, I guess just one week of not eating is not technically
"starving") and then giving up and binging obviously was not a good way to
lose weight, and I have done pretty well to supress that part of my
personality so that I do not have an eating disorder.  But forcing myself
not to eat when I'm hungry could be a slippery slope leading back to bad
habits.  Conversly, I also don't force myself to eat when I'm _not_ hungry
(except when I'm sick and I know I need at least some nutrition) because I
don't want to slip into habits of eating to comfort myself either.  
Whatever.  Criticize my eating and my thinking if you want to, I am still
losing weight and it's not nearly as much of a struggle as being fat is,
and I feel happier and healthier, physically, mentally and emotionally,
than I ever have in my life.  So your way works for you, mine works for me,
and it would be a funny ol' world if we were all the same, wouldn't it?

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miss_jaime - 17 Jan 2004 11:26 GMT
>It reminds me too much of my crazy, desperate starvation diets of my
>teenage years.  Not a happy time, not a mentally healthy time.  Cycles of
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>than I ever have in my life.  So your way works for you, mine works for me,
>and it would be a funny ol' world if we were all the same, wouldn't it?

Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he could
ever hope to imagine.
JC Der Koenig - 17 Jan 2004 12:08 GMT
> >It reminds me too much of my crazy, desperate starvation diets of my
> >teenage years.  Not a happy time, not a mentally healthy time.  Cycles of
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> Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he could
> ever hope to imagine.

And we should all aspire to your level of achievement?
lbudney@pobox.com - 17 Jan 2004 15:18 GMT
>> Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he
>> could ever hope to imagine.
>
> And we should all aspire to your level of achievement?

Just curious--does trolling help you resist carbohydrates? If not, why
do you do it?

--Len.
JC Der Koenig - 17 Jan 2004 15:21 GMT
> >> Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he
> >> could ever hope to imagine.
> >
> > And we should all aspire to your level of achievement?
>
> Just curious--does trolling help you resist carbohydrates?

You don't like the way I hold up my end of the discussion?

I'm cut to the quick.
Myway - 17 Jan 2004 19:07 GMT
> > >> Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he
> > >> could ever hope to imagine.
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>
> I'm cut to the quick.

Or is that...quick to the cut...can't ever get that right.  <g>

Myway
JC Der Koenig - 17 Jan 2004 19:35 GMT
> > > >> Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he
> > > >> could ever hope to imagine.
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>
> Or is that...quick to the cut...can't ever get that right.  <g>

I've been known to be quick to the *kut*.

*it's Dutch*
Luna - 17 Jan 2004 17:13 GMT
> >It reminds me too much of my crazy, desperate starvation diets of my
> >teenage years.  Not a happy time, not a mentally healthy time.  Cycles of
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> Don't let JC get to you Luna. You have done far better then he could
> ever hope to imagine.

He doesn't really "get to me,"  I just like to argue, as long as it doesn't
get nasty.

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I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

miss_jaime - 17 Jan 2004 19:19 GMT
>He doesn't really "get to me,"  I just like to argue, as long as it doesn't
>get nasty.

I used to be that way until the last relationship and subsequent
breakup knocked the spirit right out of me.

Now I just turn an indifferent cheek and pull myself away from
whatever emotionally.
JC Der Koenig - 17 Jan 2004 12:06 GMT
> > > It may be more pyschological than physical, but the growling in my stomach
> > > is probably purely physical.  I don't like it, and I don't have to
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>
> Huh? Does not compute.

What a surprise.
may - 16 Jan 2004 23:12 GMT
>> >> "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message news:pbvNb.8053
>> >> > > "Sprgtime" <no.spam@wanted.here> wrote in message
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>much? It's their agenda to find a way to rationalize why they have to stay
>fat by eating so much.

* Not eating* on a regular basis  led me to getting fat. It's taken
effort and planning and "willpower" to make myself  eat something
every six hours instead of going all day  (or several days) on nothing
which is second  nature to me.   Who's whining they have to eat?  I
have to force myself to remember to  take thirty seconds at work to
make myself consume something because I really don't notice being
hungry when I'm busy.  As a result I am *duh*  no longer  finding
myself somewhere at night or on the weekend putting way too much crap
in my mouth without thinking. Sometimes I've gone into the later
afternoon empty like I used to and I've realized..hey I am actually
hungry..now I respond to that like *nonfat* people do by eating..not
eating "so much", just eating period and poof no more frenzied
overeating down  the road.  For me the not going without eating more
than six waking hours has probably been one of the most essential
guidelines of this new WOE ; whatever, it's working.
May

I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.
             ~Clint Eastwood~
Gretchen - 15 Jan 2004 07:50 GMT
Wow!  That's an awesome weight loss.  Congratulations.  I've been on
Atkins Induction for 2.5 weeks and have lost 5 pounds.  I could care
less if I ever eat again, but force myself to because I feel weak and
shakey.  It was all I could do to keep my head out of the toilet while
fixing dinner for my family the other night.  Just thinking about
meat, mayo, butter, even Ranch dressing. . . makes me nauseated.  The
fat is not agreeing with me.  I can handle eggs, a little bacon,
cheese and chicken.  Cucumber tastes like candy right now.  I think
I'm going to have to bail and switch to South Beach with less fat and
a few more "good" carbs.

Gretchen
190/185/140
Jill  Starphyre - 15 Jan 2004 12:25 GMT
Thank you to everyone for their input, I really do appreciate it.
I am probably not eating all the veggies I should, but do have atleast
one salad every day.
Yesterday food just didn't taste right... my tuna fish seemed too
fishy, my pork chop just wasn't right, but dinner was better. I am
going to run to the store this morning to pick up some veggies to
snack on while at work.

Thank you again to everyone!

Jill
Michigan
1/5/04
185/174/135
Jarkat2002 - 15 Jan 2004 12:59 GMT
>Yesterday food just didn't taste right... my tuna fish seemed too
>fishy, my pork chop just wasn't right, but dinner was better.

Being in ketosis can change the way you taste food.  
Do you also have very bad breath?  That could be why your food doesn't taste
quite right.
~Kat

"I think I would like to call myself 'the girl who wanted to be God'.  Yet if I
were not in this body, where would I be--perhaps I am destined to be classified
and qualified.  But, oh, I cry out aginst it." --Sylvia Plath
 
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