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PCOS & exercise question
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HRHdotp - 14 Jan 2004 22:45 GMT I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and am also a type 2 diabetic. I've managed to lose 43 lbs (yee-haw!) and am seeing lots of body changes, but I'm having difficulty losing from my waist/abdomen. I realize that women with PCOS/diabetes put wt on at that location, but there must be something I can do to help lose inches there. I'm crunching and bowflexing and looking better everywhere else, but not in the middle!
Any constructive suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance, Priscilla 333/290/175 8/27/03
Jenny - 14 Jan 2004 23:51 GMT Pricilla,
Congrats on your excellent progress! Losing weight with PCOS is tough and you are doing great!
What the trainer at my gym said is that the best way to lose abdominal fat is to exercise the largest muscles in your body, which are your legs. Spot exercises, i.e. crunches don't work because the abdominal muscles are small muscles and don't burn much fat.
Lots of treadmill at increasing slop3 and speed have done wonderful things for both my midriff and, oddly enough, my upper arms.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
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> I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and am also a type 2 diabetic. I've > managed to lose 43 lbs (yee-haw!) and am seeing lots of body changes, but [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 333/290/175 > 8/27/03 Nina - 15 Jan 2004 17:17 GMT >Pricilla, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >exercises, i.e. crunches don't work because the abdominal muscles are small >muscles and don't burn much fat. That's not a key to losing abdominal fat, per se, that's just a key to losing fat overall. Working the legs will NOT spot reduce abdominal fat.
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LCer09 - 15 Jan 2004 22:51 GMT >>Pricilla, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >losing fat overall. Working the legs will NOT spot reduce abdominal >fat. No, but I can see the trainer's point. The more muscle you have, the more calories you burn, the more fat you can get rid of. Ab muscles just aren't that big, so how many calories can a 6-pack burn? Leg muscles ARE big, so they burn more fat everywhere. And if your stomach goes last, it'll just help get you there sooner. Makes sense to me.
Nina - 15 Jan 2004 23:08 GMT >>>Pricilla, >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >more fat everywhere. And if your stomach goes last, it'll just help get you >there sooner. Makes sense to me. Did you miss the section where I said "that's not a key to losing abdominal fat, per se, THAT'S JUST A KET TO LOSING FAT OVERALL"? (emphasis now added by me) or were you just doing a selective-reading thing?
Cheers, Nina
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LCer09 - 16 Jan 2004 01:35 GMT
>>No, but I can see the trainer's point. The more muscle you have, the more >>calories you burn, the more fat you can get rid of. Ab muscles just aren't [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Cheers, >Nina And did you read the part where I said IF YOUR STOMACH GOES LAST, IT'LL JUST HELP YOU GET THERE SOONER!? Down girl!
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Jenny - 16 Jan 2004 00:02 GMT LCer09
> No, but I can see the trainer's point. The more muscle you have, the more > calories you burn, the more fat you can get rid of. Ab muscles just aren't that > big, so how many calories can a 6-pack burn? Leg muscles ARE big, so they burn > more fat everywhere. And if your stomach goes last, it'll just help get you > there sooner. Makes sense to me That was how I saw it. I didn't mean to suggest that you could selectively get rid of any particular fat.
Just by low carbing you may also enhance your ability to lose abdominal fat through exercise, because insulin selectively deposits fat in the abdominal and viceral areas for reasons I cant remember right now. In fact, abdominal fat (as opposed to, say, hip fat) is a marker for insulin resistance.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
Roger Zoul - 16 Jan 2004 10:37 GMT :: LCer09 ::: No, but I can see the trainer's point. The more muscle you have, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: remember right now. In fact, abdominal fat (as opposed to, say, hip :: fat) is a marker for insulin resistance. Jenny,
I see older men all the time who seem to have just abdominal fat -- very little fat on the legs, but tons of it in the gut. However, these people (in ones I'm talking about) don't seem to develop T2 diabetes.
I, on the other hand, had fat everywhere...big gut but plenty of fat in other locations (sadly). So I'm not sure I believe that statement but I'd love to know where you read it.
:: -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 :: diabetes, hba1c 5.2. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? :: Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm Jenny - 16 Jan 2004 14:22 GMT Roger,
The guys you see with that beer gut almost certainly are insulin resistant. Don't forget most doctors won't diagnose a person as diabetic until their fasting blood sugar has deteriorated very badly. But between a truly normal hba1c (4.7%) and what most doctors consider the very bottom of the range for type 2 diabetes (6.0%) there's a huge range in which post meal blood sugars may be rising to 160 mg/dl or even higher after every meal.
That range is technically called "Impaired glucose tolerance" and it goes along with enhanced insulin resistance.
As far as how I know that the abdominal fat is a sign of insulin resistance, I've read it anywhere that insulin resistance is described. They always say that an "apple shape" with a wider waist than hips is the physical characteristic that points to IR (and enhanced risk of heart attack.) Just yesterday I read of another study demonstrating this in the Medscape daily newsletter.
http://www.diabetesnet.com/irtips.php is typical.
If you google on the terms "insulin resistance apple" you come up with 21,000 references!
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
> :: LCer09 > ::: No, but I can see the trainer's point. The more muscle you have, [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > :: Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > :: Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm Martha Gallagher - 19 Jan 2004 15:36 GMT > :: LCer09 > ::: No, but I can see the trainer's point. The more muscle you have, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > little fat on the legs, but tons of it in the gut. However, these people > (in ones I'm talking about) don't seem to develop T2 diabetes. Yes, well that is the typical fat distribution for men when they gain weight. The terms are right on the tip of my tongue, but I can't think of the suffixes and google doesn't allow wildcard searches. I'm not saying it's good, but it is typical. Whether or not all those men are insulin resistant I have no way of knowing. Although, given that that is the more common way men carry excess weight, it would seem that would mean that men are far more prone to insulin resistance than women. That seems counterintuitive to me. But by contrast, the pear shape women tend to get is good (well, not being fat would be better).
> I, on the other hand, had fat everywhere...big gut but plenty of fat in > other locations (sadly). So I'm not sure I believe that statement but I'd > love to know where you read it. That's a good thing. Here's a link to an abstract that found that looking at men and what I assume were post menopausal women that the difference in heart disease rate had less to do with gender and more to do with fat distribution.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed& list_uids=1546702&dopt=Abstract>
It's comparatively old but there are lots of other studies that have found the same.
Martha
> :: -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 > :: diabetes, hba1c 5.2. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > :: Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? > :: Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
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Roger Zoul - 15 Jan 2004 11:06 GMT Walking....riding a stationary bike....treadmill, climber, etc. A rowing machine is good, too, if you can find access to one.
Use the big muscles -- 2/3 of the muscle in your body are in your legs, butt, and back. Hence, you need to engage in activities that involve moving those muscles. Don't do too many crunchings or you might end up with ab muscles that poke out too much to be attractive to you (plus, if a layer of fat sits over that, you'll be even more unpleased).
:: I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and am also a type 2 :: diabetic. I've managed to lose 43 lbs (yee-haw!) and am seeing lots [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :: 333/290/175 :: 8/27/03 newbie_to_lowcarb - 15 Jan 2004 12:36 GMT : :: I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and am also a type 2 : :: diabetic. I've managed to lose 43 lbs (yee-haw!) and am seeing lots [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : :: 333/290/175 : :: 8/27/03 Hi, Priscilla,
I also have PCOS. From what I have been told, the stomach area is the place where you will lose weight LAST---which sucks big time I know. I think it is because of the meds, for one and because that is the place where we have fat stores the most. But that may be why you haven't lost much there. Just keep going and you will see results but it will be s-l-o-w. So don't worry, just keep pluggin' away! You have done AWESOME!!! Be Proud!! Wahhoooo!!!
lowcarb_newbie
Nina - 15 Jan 2004 17:16 GMT >I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and am also a type 2 diabetic. I've >managed to lose 43 lbs (yee-haw!) and am seeing lots of body changes, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Any constructive suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Liposuction.
Seriously, you cant spot reduce. You can do sit-ups 'til th ecows come home, but your body (and hormonal fat-pattern makeup) cannot be changed unless your hormonal profile is changes (like women who go on anabolic steroids, women who go through menopause, etc.)
Your midsection fat will be the last to go. We've all got our crosses to bear, life's unfair, blah blah blah. Them's the breaks.
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Sprgtime - 16 Jan 2004 14:37 GMT Not everybody loses weight in their stomach last. I think it depends on genetics or something. My bust is always the last place to lose weight. So I end up losing weight everywhere else first and looking like Dolly Parton. :(
poor poor poor me poor poor pitiful me all these boys won't let me be
Jean B. - 16 Jan 2004 15:04 GMT > Not everybody loses weight in their stomach last. > I think it depends on genetics or something. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > poor poor pitiful me > all these boys won't let me be Welll, my stomach is lagging. OTOH, my bust size has really decreased. I am thrilled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ZappaFan2k1 - 19 Jan 2004 21:53 GMT "HRHdotp" <hrhdotp@yahoo.com> wrote :
> I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) and am also a type 2 diabetic. I've > managed to lose 43 lbs (yee-haw!) and am seeing lots of body changes, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Any constructive suggestions will be greatly appreciated! My wife has PCOS. She gets a lot of support and advice from the following site: http://www.soulcysters.com and the people on their message boards at http://www.soulcysters.net
HTH
LCer09 - 19 Jan 2004 21:58 GMT >My wife has PCOS. She gets a lot of support and advice from the following >site: >http://www.soulcysters.com >and the people on their message boards at >http://www.soulcysters.net Yes! That's a great site. Helped me a bunch. Except everyone doing the IR diet, which didn't work for me. :-(
LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/237/140 & hubby- 310/264.5/180
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