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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Atkins Not Working
I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and are only slightly over weight (10 pounds or so) have had similar luck. Is this diet only for people who are severely over weight or are there some tricks to make it work. Thanks in advance. > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. eat some vegetables. the less you have to lose, the more calories count. meat and cheese are high in calories. ergo, eat some damn vegetables. Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and not use a low carb high protein formula. > > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ergo, eat some damn vegetables. > Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and > not use a low carb high protein formula. It would be easier to do whatever you can stick to. Healthier??? That's another story. You should be eating more vegetables and getting some exercise to go along with whatever way you decide to eat. I don't consider low-carb "a diet", in the sense that I don't go on and off of it. I am at my ideal weight and I still eat this way because I feel better doing it and I like eating this way. I find it strange that you are going to go "on Atkins" to lose 10 pounds, and then go "off Atkins" and go back to the way you used to eat. That's the best way to put those 10 pounds back on, at which point you will tell all your friends, "Yeah, I did that Atkins diet thing, but when I stopped the diet, I put all that weight back on." So, eat the way you want to eat, but if you choose to do Atkins again, give it some more time and do it properly.. read the book, and then read it again.  SignatureJim Marnott 231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later) Atkins since 22 May '03 Gym since 1 sept '03 thats the best advice. thats what i have done and it does work i only have 10lbs to lose and am not going off this diet anytime soon. angie > > Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and > > not use a low carb high protein formula. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > give it some more time and do it properly.. read the book, and then read > it again. Jim, Can I ask you how tall are you and what is your body fat %? I'm trying to figure out my target weight, I picked a number out of a hat, but I'm thinking of trying to do it by BF%. Anyway, just checking. Mike 238/233.5/170 >So, eat the way you want to eat, but if you choose to do Atkins again, >give it some more time and do it properly.. read the book, and then read >it again. Jim Marnott 231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later) Atkins since 22 May '03 Gym since 1 sept '03 > Jim, > Can I ask you how tall are you and what is your body fat %? I'm > trying to figure out my target weight, I picked a number out of a hat, > but I'm thinking of trying to do it by BF%. I'm 6'3" and I have no idea what my BF% is. SignatureJim Marnott 231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later) Atkins since 22 May '03 Gym since 1 sept '03 > > Jim, > > Can I ask you how tall are you and what is your body fat %? I'm > > trying to figure out my target weight, I picked a number out of a hat, > > but I'm thinking of trying to do it by BF%. > > I'm 6'3" and I have no idea what my BF% is. Translation: BF% is still too high. > Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and > not use a low carb high protein formula. "Healthier" how? Many people who Low-Carb see their bad cholesterol drop, good cholesterol come up, weight drop, and engery raise. I consider that to be healthy. Do whatever is easiest for you. Have you read the books or done any research on the Atkins plan? If not, I would recommend reading up on it. Specifically, Dr. Atkins "New Diet Revolution" and his website. If you browse around this group, you'll be able to find the FAQ. I'm sure you'll find some information pertaining to your needs. If you're only looking to lose 10 pounds, it is going to be difficult. The more you weigh, the easier it comes off. If this way of eating/life doesn't fit you, then try something else. It isn't for everyone. You didn't mention how much water you drank, how many calories you ate or how many carbs you ate, so you might be overdoing it on one thing and overdoing it on another. Going to the gym will help too. Post a days menu and we'll be able to help you better. -Dough >> Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and >> not use a low carb high protein formula. > > "Healthier" how? Many people who Low-Carb see their bad cholesterol drop, > good cholesterol come up, weight drop, and engery raise. I consider that to > be healthy. Aren't these people with syndrome X, central obesity, blood sugar regulation problems, etc? The OP does not seem like he or she is one of them. i > Do whatever is easiest for you. Have you read the books or done any > research on the Atkins plan? If not, I would recommend reading up on it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Dough > > "Healthier" how? Many people who Low-Carb see their bad cholesterol drop, > > good cholesterol come up, weight drop, and engery raise. I consider that to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > regulation problems, etc? The OP does not seem like he or she is one > of them. Some, not all. There are many people following LC that some/all of those things happen to and they don't have any of those things. >>>"Healthier" how? Many people who Low-Carb see their bad cholesterol > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Some, not all. There are many people following LC that some/all of those > things happen to and they don't have any of those things. Don't you think that at least some of these results are due to the fact that they lost some weight? After all, a loss of even 5% of body weight will lower your cholesterol, triglycerides, blood sugars and LDL cholesterol. Signaturejmk in NC :: Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in :: general and not use a low carb high protein formula. Depending on what you're already eating, not necessarily healthier. If you're eating lots of carbs, then doing LC can suppress your appetite -- making it easier for you to eat less calories. LC need not be high protein (for most the greatest % of calories comes from fat). It sounds as if you and your friends really don't understand LC, so you're making poor choices -- and not getting results. Atkins is not about eating just meat, eggs, and cheese. ::: Sanbar <sanbar@wi.rr.com> wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] ::: ::: ergo, eat some damn vegetables. > Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and > not use a low carb high protein formula. For people like you, yes, absolutely. Here's my suggestion: 1. No junk food 2. Eat less calories 3. Eat vegetables 4. exercise more i >> > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs > and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> ergo, eat some damn vegetables. It wouldn't be easier, it wouldn't be healthier, most of us keep an eye on calories, and it's not high protein. Other than that your question would be answered yes. :-) -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. Sanbar wrote in message ... >Wouldn't be easier and healthier just to eat less calories in general and >not use a low carb high protein formula. > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Need to add veggies to the diet as well. With only 10 pounds to lose you may opt to just cut back calories and add exercise. Myway like i said before i have only 10lbs to lose and qatkins works and as also said before it has to be done right to lose i learned that the hard way. angie > > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Myway : Is : this diet only for people who are severely over weight or are there some : tricks to make it work. Exercise. David > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. If you are only slightly overweight, then _any_ diet or weight loss plan will have less dramatic results than someone who is more severely overweight. People who have great success in the beginning of a weight loss plan often find "the last 10 pounds" to be much more stubborn and difficult to lose than the first 50, 60, or 100. When you don't have much to lose, calories count more than ever, so low-carb alone won't do it if you don't restrict calories as well. What low-carb _may_ do for you is help lessen your appetite. A while back someone posted here a list of questions to help determine if a low-carb diet is right for you, I don't remember who or what the post was called, but I believe one of the questions was something like: If you eat a high carb meal, do you feel hungry again after a short amount of time? If that's true for you, then cutting back carbs may help a lot in cutting back calories without feeling as hungry. I recommend adding low-carb vegetables to your diet, which provide bulk without as many calories as meat, cheese, and eggs. Before even starting low-carb I lost some weight with my own "salad as a meal" where one meal a day was a salad with grilled chicken or shrimp, dark leafy greens, and any salad veggies I happened to have at home such as bellpepper, tomatoes, cucumber, etc. After a while I get tired of salads, so I started making vegetable stir-fries with either chicken or shrimp sometimes instead, which is basically a hot salad. Full-fat, low-sugar dressing on salad helps with feeling more full, and using olive oil to cook the stir-fry gives you some healthy fat. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. I'm very glad I read this thread. I, too, have about 10lbs to lose but I have recognized that I'm a carbaholic. I LOVE any thing that has them in it. I have also had to cut back on my exercise because of a life-style change. It occurred to me yesterday that steak-ums may not be as good a choice as tuna salad on lettuce. Or hot dogs better than a grilled pork steak. Duh!!! I hope I'm not the only one who hasn't gone to a deeper level of thinking. Having never had to diet in 50 yrs. of life, I'm now required to give this stuff a lot of thought. And by the way, for those of you who have a lot to lose.....I will never be insensitive about your struggle again!!! Thanks for all of your replies. Regarding myself and my personal diet situation, I have never had a serious weight problem and have always been an exerciser. I prefer to eat what I consider to be healthier foods such as fruits and vegetables. Most of my friends are in a similar physical and dietary situation to myself and we look at the Atkins as the potentially quick way to lose some weight. It's unlikely that any of us would stick to a diet that involves this much meat and deprives us of the bread and chocolate that we love. Our impression of the Atkins diet was that it was a free for all on the amount of food as long as the carbs were kept to an absolute miniscule portion. We are still wondering if a person who is about 10 pounds overweight has anything much to gain from a low carb diet versus one that is simply low calorie in terms of losing weight quickly. None of us has the discipline or desire to stay with one particular diet for any great length of time. I'm very glad I read this thread. I, too, have about 10lbs to lose but I have recognized that I'm a carbaholic. I LOVE any thing that has them in it. I have also had to cut back on my exercise because of a life-style change. It occurred to me yesterday that steak-ums may not be as good a choice as tuna salad on lettuce. Or hot dogs better than a grilled pork steak. Duh!!! I hope I'm not the only one who hasn't gone to a deeper level of thinking. Having never had to diet in 50 yrs. of life, I'm now required to give this stuff a lot of thought. And by the way, for those of you who have a lot to lose.....I will never be insensitive about your struggle again!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, then, I would suggest not going on a diet at all. If you lose 10 pounds quicky on a short-term diet, then go off it and go back to the way you were eating before, you'll gain the weight back, and probably more, no matter what the diet is. If you repeat the cycle over and over, it is likely to result in overall weight gain over time, and yo-yo dieting in itself is not good for your heart. If you think you are overeating now, calorie-wise, then cut back calories but do it permanently. Cutting back carbs may help if you decide to do that, if you think carby foods trigger overeating for you. If you don't have a problem with overeating, maybe try exercising more. Oh, and if your exercise is mainly aerobics, defintely add weight training. Even if you don't lose any scale weight, muscle building will make you smaller and tighter, and make your body more effecient at burning the calories you take in. > Thanks for all of your replies. Regarding myself and my personal diet > situation, I have never had a serious weight problem and have always been an [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. | We are still wondering if a person who is about 10 pounds overweight has | anything much to gain from a low carb diet versus one that is simply low | calorie in terms of losing weight quickly. None of us has the discipline | or desire to stay with one particular diet for any great length of time. Then Atkins is definitely not for you. It is a lifelong Way of Eating, ot a "diet." You can't bounce back and forth between low-carb and high carb (and high-fat/low-fat) and expect to stay healthy. Your cholesterol and triglycerides will go through the roof. Peter > It's unlikely that any of > us would stick to a diet that involves this much meat and deprives us of > the bread and chocolate that we love. You might want to learn about low-carbing before you write it off as a potential lifestyle - there's no reason you can't eat chocolate on low-carb, many people do, and there's no reason you can't eat bread on maintenance, as many people do that as well. But you need chocolate made with Aspartame or Splenda and you can't sit down and gorge on bread. Mostly people here recommend Atkins, but I personally recommend Protein Power by the Eades. Get a copy from the library, read what you can eat on Phase 2 (which is probably where you'd start) and read about maintenance. Decide if you can live with this or not. I'm not intending to be negative, but... if you really can't commit to a lifestyle change, I strongly suggest you *not* go on *any* diet. Dieting is the primary cause of obesity. Cycling through diets and then returning to "normal" causes you to gain more weight each time. If you take off 10 lbs every January on a short-term diet, you're likely to be back here in ten years with 50 or 60 or 70 lbs to lose. 10 lbs overweight is not much to deal with compared to what you're likely to end up if you diet without making longterm changes. If you can't imagine a longterm change of lifestyle, it's really going to be better in the long run if you just accept that 10 lbs.. > None of us has the discipline or desire to stay with one particular diet > for any great length of time. just stay fat, then. it'll be easier in the long run. >> None of us has the discipline or desire to stay with one particular diet >> for any great length of time. > > just stay fat, then. it'll be easier in the long run. Sanbar is not even fat. I think that recommending low carbing to drop 10 lbs is not sensible. Sanbar, you need to eat less, and exercise more, and eat a little better, that's all. i > Our impression of the Atkins diet was that it was a free for all on > the amount of food as long as the carbs were kept to an absolute > miniscule portion. You didn't read the book, then. First, it's "eat all you want," not "eat all you can." You are supposed to stop eating when satiated, which happens quicker when calories come primarily from protein and fat. Second, you are supposed to eat as much carbohydrate as you can while still losing weight. In particular, you should be going for high-fiber veggies and the like. Third, there are other details--such as adequate hydration--that will make or break your diet. When all else fails, read the directions. --Len. > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Possibly because that's not "the Atkins diet?" > Any of my friends who have tried it and > are only slightly over weight (10 pounds or so) have had similar luck. Is > this diet only for people who are severely over weight or are there some > tricks to make it work. > > Thanks in advance. I suggest you read the book. Priscilla This diet is much too difficult for the average idiot to comprehend. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. > From: JC Der Koenig (Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:10:52 GMT) > MsgId: <MKHNb.6321$bk7.82@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com> > > This diet is much too difficult for the average idiot to comprehend. Not really, JC. I'm sure we could teach you if you apply yourself. > > From: JC Der Koenig (Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:10:52 GMT) > > MsgId: <MKHNb.6321$bk7.82@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com> > > > > This diet is much too difficult for the average idiot to comprehend. > > Not really, JC. I'm sure we could teach you if you apply yourself. So how's that six-pack coming along? >> From: JC Der Koenig (Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:10:52 GMT) >> MsgId: <MKHNb.6321$bk7.82@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com> >> >> This diet is much too difficult for the average idiot to comprehend. I'm an average idiot and I understood quite well. Yvonne Perhaps you're above average but just haven't realized it yet. Hey, it's possible. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > >> From: JC Der Koenig (Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:10:52 GMT) > >> MsgId: <MKHNb.6321$bk7.82@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yvonne i am almost at my goal weight and am on it. it does work stick to it and don't give up make sure u write everything down. I keep track of everything. I have even started to measure out my foods and it does help. from what i have read here everyone is different. I didn't have luck with it the first several time that i tried it and this time around i am taking it seriously, i am doing the tough love thing and it does work. don't give up angie > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. I heard Dr. Atkins mention about certain types of people who cant seem to lose the weight when they go on this diet. Unfotunately I cant remember the condition of these people. It might be in the book. It also depends what kind of cheese your eating. Cheese like cream cheese/ricotta (the fresh, creamy/milky type cheese) have more carbs in them (per portion) lets say Chedder cheese. I dont know if your suppose to eat cheese liberally, I doubt your pounding on the carbs by eating cheese though. || I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs || and cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] || || Thanks in advance. If you were eating nothing but meat eggs and cheese for three weeks, you most certainly were not following the Atkins plan. Did you read the book? You would know that this is not at all what is recommended as a dailt diet. Don't blame Atkins. You failed to lose weight doing your own thing. SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Buy the book...and drink alot of water also...I am on Day 7 of INDUCTION and have lost 8.5 pounds. Cheese and eggs do have carbs..so count your carbs. But seriously buy the book....as this is not really a diet..it is a Way of Eating/ Way of Life > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and > are only slightly over weight (10 pounds or so) have had similar luck. Is > this diet only for people who are severely over weight or are there some > tricks to make it work. Atkins is nicknamed the "steak and salad diet", not the "steak and cheese diet" for a reason. Calories still count, and with little to lose, cheese should be used sparingly. Eat your salad and vegetables, and read the book. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." >I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and >cheese and didn't have much luck. Any of my friends who have tried it and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks in advance. Your just a fuckin idiot Obsidian > I tried the Atkins diet for about three weeks eating basically meat eggs and > cheese You didn't try Atkins *at all*. That's not Atkins. Atkins is a very specific plan that you can't get right by listening to a few friends. Among other things veggies are mandatory from day one. Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution edition 2002 is the book to read. Also, 3 weeks is vastly too short a time to be able to make this judgement. > Any of my friends who have tried it and > are only slightly over weight (10 pounds or so) have had similar luck. At last 10 pounds are *supposed* to take a year. You tried for well under a tenth of that length of time. It like saying you just walked into the garage and you decided the commute to work is too long. Dude, you haven't even gotten in the car and turned on the engine. |
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